The Unpardonable Sin

So the bible mentions multiple times that if you speak against the Son of Man (Jesus), you are forgiven, but if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you will not be forgiven. What does this mean exactly? Isn't the Holy Spirit and Jesus the same thing (Holy trinity)?

I am agnostic. If I have doubts of his existence and have stated them verbally to others, does that mean I'm pretty much fucked?

Fuck God. If he lets all the rape, killing, torturing, starving, and disease continue to go on, yes, fuck him.

Fuck God. If he lets all the rape, killing, torturing, starving, and disease continue to go on, yes, fuck him.

we brought this upon areselfs from the beggining in the garden of eden when adam and eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. earth was given to satan to control and be his domain, god dosnt cause this to happen but Satan does. so saying fuck him(God) isnt the best thing to do.

This has nothing to do with my question, but okay.

The doctrine of the Trinity does not mean that each person in the godhead are the same. That's about all I can tell you, because the doctrine itself makes no sense whatsoever. The Triune God is seen as 3 persons in 1 being. How this works, I don't know...and neither do the Christians. It's seen as a "mystery."

The sin against the Holy Spirit is likely having a sure knowledge of the existence of God (having seen Him face to face) and then subsequently denying that knowledge. It is said that this knowledge comes "through the Holy Spirit," hence why it is "blaspheming the Holy Spirit."

I'm just a Jew though, so I could be wrong. But that is how I've always interpreted it.

The unpardonable sin is drinking pumpkin beer. It is clear and unambiguous... do not defile the sanctity of the pumpkin (or of beer!). For everyone else, there is tasty pie even if you're not good (if you're good, there's whipped cream too).

All praise to Steve #1 of 1.

ps. I know it seems maybe like I'm not on topic, but my point is that I could probably use the bible to justify anything you can imagine. Being as reliable as any other baseless storybook, you might as well go with the far superior clarity of the Great One.

I mean, think about it for a second... if you mess with 1/3 of the guy, you're gonna burn in flames forever and ever with no possibility of pardon. It's confusing, as you are clearly seeing, and clearly the punishment is an extreme overreaction.

Edited by Postal Blowfish, 25 April 2012 - 02:08 AM.

Pumpkin beer is a gift from God Himself!

No pie for you. You should give up the pumpkin beer, or your life is never going to improve. It's as clear as can be.

I've seen the light, but the light is so much less glorious than the pumpkin beer, so I am content to spend eternity in everlasting torment if it means I can enjoy pumpkin beer all my days.

Eternal pie-lessness it is, then.

So the bible mentions multiple times that if you speak against the Son of Man (Jesus), you are forgiven, but if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you will not be forgiven. What does this mean exactly? Isn't the Holy Spirit and Jesus the same thing (Holy trinity)?

This is all religious dogma, friend.

These things don't actually exist. Forgiveness, love, these are the vibrations holy books reveal. All that other nonsense just gets in the way.

Spirit, not letter.

So the bible mentions multiple times that if you speak against the Son of Man (Jesus), you are forgiven, but if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you will not be forgiven. What does this mean exactly? Isn't the Holy Spirit and Jesus the same thing (Holy trinity)?

I am agnostic. If I have doubts of his existence and have stated them verbally to others, does that mean I'm pretty much fucked?

Before answering the question I'd like to mention, that all those who are talking down about chrisitianity, are basically just trolling, they have no respect for anyones opinion, if they would have known a little philosophy, they would understand, "eye for an eye makes the world go blind".

Anyways, to blaspheme the holy spirit, is to deny it's presence when antichrist comes and puts you on trial. You cannot blaspheme the holy spirit til the antichrist comes, so don't worry about that.

we brought this upon areselfs from the beggining in the garden of eden when adam and eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. earth was given to satan to control and be his domain, god dosnt cause this to happen but Satan does. so saying fuck him(God) isnt the best thing to do.

*sighs* what ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions? why the need for "satan" to be the creator and perpetrator of ill and evil in the world?

and frankly, if you know your bible studies, satan isn't the devil that many make him out to be, he's the deciever. satan (whom is also known as lucifer) is not placing evil thoughts into men's heads, he merely tempts people to sin... basically, he tries to bring out the evil that's already IN mankind's heart to the surface. so, he's not this big-bad bugaboo, he's just the grease that's added to the wheels of our own potential for evil.

frankly, if you're going to talk about religious theory and history, you really should take the time to understand what it is you're talking about first.

Edited by ReallyRed, 25 April 2012 - 09:03 PM.

Right. HaSatan means "the accuser."

Before the Christians bastardized what he represented, he was sorta like a lawyer for the prosecution. See the Book of Job

*sighs* what ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions? why the need for "satan" to be the creator and perpetrator of ill and evil in the world?

and frankly, if you know your bible studies, satan isn't the devil that many make him out to be, he's the deciever. satan (whom is also known as lucifer) is not placing evil thoughts into men's heads, he merely tempts people to sin... basically, he tries to bring out the evil that's already IN mankind's heart to the surface. so, he's not this big-bad bugaboo, he's just the grease that's added to the wheels of our own potential for evil.

frankly, if you're going to talk about religious theory and history, you really should take the time to understand what it is you're talking about first.

The devil does it because he hates us and is jealous of god's unbiased love for them when he could see how fucked up we were. He wanted to force us to believe or go to hell because we deserve it.

Maybe you can say things against jesus because he was tainted by all of our sins when he spent time in hell where as the holy spirit has never been touched by sin? I see the holy spirit as the rational and reasonable side of god who is a little more understanding and helpful.

The devil does it because he hates us and is jealous of god's unbiased love for them when he could see how fucked up we were. He wanted to force us to believe or go to hell because we deserve it.

Maybe you can say things against jesus because he was tainted by all of our sins when he spent time in hell where as the holy spirit has never been touched by sin? I see the holy spirit as the rational and reasonable side of god who is a little more understanding and helpful.

... and here's where i have to tune you out... since if you truly believe that, then "satan" has won BECAUSE it's mighty arrogant to suggest that we're somehow god's "chosen" amongst all the other forms of life there are.

protip: this is about as closed minded as insisting that the earth is at the center of the universe and that the sun revolves around us. you would do well to learn some humility. reason being is that when you realize that the multiverse is infinite, you would realize that there are many, many, MANY other civilizations out there and suggesting that one small species that can barely keep it's own shit together is somehow "favoured" then you're just being delusional.

Wtf are you talking about? i'm talking theoretically about the bible and how i interpreted what i read. I am in now way part of any religion but i was raised christian and went to a quaker school.

And the devil was Jealous of how nice god was to us when we were so fucked up towards him. Doesn't that make any sense? That's what the bible said he dislikes people becaues they piss him off.

*sighs* what ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions? why the need for "satan" to be the creator and perpetrator of ill and evil in the world?

and frankly, if you know your bible studies, satan isn't the devil that many make him out to be, he's the deciever. satan (whom is also known as lucifer) is not placing evil thoughts into men's heads, he merely tempts people to sin... basically, he tries to bring out the evil that's already IN mankind's heart to the surface. so, he's not this big-bad bugaboo, he's just the grease that's added to the wheels of our own potential for evil.

frankly, if you're going to talk about religious theory and history, you really should take the time to understand what it is you're talking about first.

back at you..satan is never called lucifer in the bible or vice versa

Edited by fieryflora, 26 April 2012 - 03:15 AM.

So the bible mentions multiple times that if you speak against the Son of Man (Jesus), you are forgiven, but if you speak against the Holy Spirit, you will not be forgiven. What does this mean exactly? Isn't the Holy Spirit and Jesus the same thing (Holy trinity)?

I am agnostic. If I have doubts of his existence and have stated them verbally to others, does that mean I'm pretty much fucked?

nah...only those who believe in GOD can commit the unpardonable, atleast that is how it is in context.

those who do not believe cannot commit the sin as it is described, that being, taking a miracle of GOD and given satan glory for it...

unbeleivers cannot truly do this because they do not believe in GOD or satan..

it was too the religious leaders of the day who saw the miracles Jesus did and said it was by satan's power, when it was by the Holy Ghost's power...they knew better, or were supposed to, but let jeaousy cause them to err.

The idea that we belong to a cosmic father that we cannot prove exists and that we are born flawed and must atone for our flaws our entire life so that we don't get tortured forever because our LOVING creator sees us as a failure and is jealous because we didn't love him enough is beyond the realm of stupid. Stop being a slave and think for yourself.