Can cops search your shoes?

[w33n]

Originally Posted by thosevacanteyes

A few things.

Anal cavity searches can usually only be done in certain situations...you aren't going to get searched like that for bud, unless there are other underlying factors.

If you refuse a search of the vehicle it can often times give the officer the probable cause he needs to search. He can say "Based on my prior experience and training in law enforcement I know that...blah blah blah."

Remember, Reasonable suspicion is enough to pull you over.

P.C. must be had to search. Locked gloveboxes cannot be searched without a warrant, nor can other locked compartments that cannot be accessed without a key(trunk is an exception because often times you can pull the back seats of cars down from inside the car.)

-C

Refusing a search doesn't give probable cause per the 4th amendment.

[xerxes25]

Originally Posted by dle_240

Because if you aren't how is that phsyically posable?

...lots of KY jelly...

[Fëanor]

Wow so much mis-information, where to start?

Originally Posted by Tical00

They can't search your shoes unless your being arrested. They can tell you to take off your shoes and whatnot, but you don't have too until your under arrest.
When they take you out of the car they are just searching/patting you down and looking for weapons, well thats what their legally doing, they do usually ask you question like "whats in your pocket" or "empty your pockets" but these are just statements, not direct orders. Basically, if YOU have to do something yourself, than you don't have to do it. If the police officer could do it legally, they would and they wouldn't be asking you to do it.

Yes, they can seach your shoes. You need to understand the difference between a Terry pat-down and an actual search.

A Terry pat-down is what you're thinking of. Without probable cause, the officer can pat you down for weapons for their own safety. When they feel stuff in your pocket they'll ask what it is, they might even try stuff like "this feels like a marijuana pipe in your pocket, is that what it is?".

A search is a different story. A search requires either probable cause or your consent. Once they have either of those, they can search your shoes, your hair, your pockets, etc.

Originally Posted by thosevacanteyes

If you refuse a search of the vehicle it can often times give the officer the probable cause he needs to search. He can say "Based on my prior experience and training in law enforcement I know that...blah blah blah."

Absolutely not true! Refusing a search DOES NOT give probable cause for a search. Otherwise what would be the point of asking people for consent? If they say yes they get searched and if they say no they get searched. I don't think you thought that one through. Keep in mind that sometimes even when a cop has probable cause to search they will still try to get consent, just so their case is more iron-clad when it goes to court.

Originally Posted by thosevacanteyes

P.C. must be had to search. Locked gloveboxes cannot be searched without a warrant, nor can other locked compartments that cannot be accessed without a key(trunk is an exception because often times you can pull the back seats of cars down from inside the car.)

Sorry, that is a myth and it's not true. If they have PC to search the car they have PC to search all containers within the car, locked or not. They can search your locked glovebox and if you have a freakin' safe in your backseat they can search that too. No warrant needed.

[INS the Rebel]

there's no room for idealism when you're talking about the police, folks. cops will do anything for a conviction. get arrested and look at your police report and you will see what i mean. i'm sure there are plenty of people harping on about their "rights" when it comes to encounters with the police. unfortunately, those rights are about as arbitrary as the rules governing the conduct of said officer. if cops feel they are "threatened" they can shoot you (thats why they carry guns.. to shoot people..).

do you really think you shoes are safe, then?


before i quit drinking heavily and made a lot of changes in my life i had my share of run ins with the police. they never look they way they "should."


oh, and for the record, if you are arrested you're usually stripped down to small garments (they'll take off your jacket, etc.) and they take your shoes and make sure you dont have any drugs or weapons that yoy ucould bring into jail. for the most part, fingerprinting and processsing is all done without shoes, in my experience.

[polaroid]

Theres no reason to really get searched though. The only way the police can legally search you is if your arrested, or they think you got a weapon. If your glove is locked same with the trunk, they just gunna bring the dogs in. At that point you can say "I dont want that dog by my shit" and its all good. Popos are gunna do whatever it takes to bust you. Honestly it all depends on where you live. Ive gotten searched, the cops had they hands on my shit and didnt do anything. straight up put his hand in my pocket, felt my dro, and took his hand out. Ive also been to jail alot. so it was luck, nothing more. Cops are actually encouraged to lie to get a search done. They most infamous example is "your buddy gave you up." Police officers are horrible people, the majority of which are severly depressed, but still are allowed to hold guns. I dont know about you, but someone who has a mental dissorder carrying a gun does not make me feel safe what-so-ever.

sorry riggies piss me off.

[xcraighebert]

Originally Posted by thosevacanteyes

A few things.

Anal cavity searches can usually only be done in certain situations...you aren't going to get searched like that for bud, unless there are other underlying factors.

If you refuse a search of the vehicle it can often times give the officer the probable cause he needs to search. He can say "Based on my prior experience and training in law enforcement I know that...blah blah blah."

Remember, Reasonable suspicion is enough to pull you over.

P.C. must be had to search. Locked gloveboxes cannot be searched without a warrant, nor can other locked compartments that cannot be accessed without a key(trunk is an exception because often times you can pull the back seats of cars down from inside the car.)

-C

While suspicion may be enough to pull you over, you cannot be searched under suspicion alone. I cant tell you how many people fall for that crap, thinking an officer has possible cause because he thinks you have bud on you.Suspicion is not probable cause. If an officer tells you he can search you under sucpicion alone, refuse his request, if he asks you to step out of the car, lock all the doors to your car, and tell him that you know youre rights and you cannot be searched under suspicion alone. I know I have in the past, and they have threatened me saying they will get dogs to come.I told him if he continues with his search I will taking down his name and badge number. Guess mother fucking what, 5 minuntes later, he comes up to me and says "alright you're free to go,go home".
Never let a officer search you illegally if you have bud on you.

Also, refusing a request gives them probable cause? WRONG.
Like others said, Did you think this one through?
What is the point of them asking if they can check your car, if they are just going to do it anyways?
Not attacking you or anything, but pick up a law book and learn your rights.

[OrganicFlowers]

Originally Posted by xcraighebert

While suspicion may be enough to pull you over, you cannot be searched under suspicion alone. I cant tell you how many people fall for that crap, thinking an officer has possible cause because he thinks you have bud on you.Suspicion is not probable cause. If an officer tells you he can search you under sucpicion alone, refuse his request, if he asks you to step out of the car, lock all the doors to your car, and tell him that you know youre rights and you cannot be searched under suspicion alone. I know I have in the past, and they have threatened me saying they will get dogs to come.I told him if he continues with his search I will taking down his name and badge number. Guess mother fucking what, 5 minuntes later, he comes up to me and says "alright you're free to go,go home".
Never let a officer search you illegally if you have bud on you.

Also, refusing a request gives them probable cause? WRONG.
Like others said, Did you think this one through?
What is the point of them asking if they can check your car, if they are just going to do it anyways?
Not attacking you or anything, but pick up a law book and learn your rights.

This wouldn't fly in my neck of the woods.

I've heard of people using technicalities like that up north in my home state of Vermont, but not down here in the dirty souf.

If you tried locking your vehicle that would just piss the officer off, and at least down here, officers hold grudges.

Even if he couldn't fabricate some kind of reason to detain you, break into your vehicle, or call the dogs, he would be out to fuck you from that day foward.

If the officer feels confident that you have bud in the vehicle all he has to say is that he saw it sitting on the seat, and that will suffice in court, no matter where he found the bag.

Overall cops are humans just like us, your best bet is to be respectful and upbeat, while acting like you are keeping a schedule.

[xcraighebert]

Originally Posted by OrganicFlowers

This wouldn't fly in my neck of the woods.

I've heard of people using technicalities like that up north in my home state of Vermont, but not down here in the dirty souf.

If you tried locking your vehicle that would just piss the officer off, and at least down here, officers hold grudges.

Even if he couldn't fabricate some kind of reason to detain you, break into your vehicle, or call the dogs, he would be out to fuck you from that day foward.

If the officer feels confident that you have bud in the vehicle all he has to say is that he saw it sitting on the seat, and that will suffice in court, no matter where he found the bag.

Overall cops are humans just like us, your best bet is to be respectful and upbeat, while acting like you are keeping a schedule.

Yes, but I do not live in the "dirty souf".
I live in New York. It is much different apparently.

[SmokeDatKush89]

Originally Posted by OrganicFlowers

This wouldn't fly in my neck of the woods.

I've heard of people using technicalities like that up north in my home state of Vermont, but not down here in the dirty souf.

If you tried locking your vehicle that would just piss the officer off, and at least down here, officers hold grudges.

Even if he couldn't fabricate some kind of reason to detain you, break into your vehicle, or call the dogs, he would be out to fuck you from that day foward.

If the officer feels confident that you have bud in the vehicle all he has to say is that he saw it sitting on the seat, and that will suffice in court, no matter where he found the bag.

Overall cops are humans just like us, your best bet is to be respectful and upbeat, while acting like you are keeping a schedule.

"dirty souf" ?

[PrimalScreamer]

Originally Posted by dle_240

Are you a girl? Because if you aren't how is that phsyically posable?

How old are you?... A girl couldn't fit weed in her urethra... maybe her actual vagina.

[thosevacanteyes]

Originally Posted by xcraighebert

While suspicion may be enough to pull you over, you cannot be searched under suspicion alone. I cant tell you how many people fall for that crap, thinking an officer has possible cause because he thinks you have bud on you.Suspicion is not probable cause. If an officer tells you he can search you under sucpicion alone, refuse his request, if he asks you to step out of the car, lock all the doors to your car, and tell him that you know youre rights and you cannot be searched under suspicion alone. I know I have in the past, and they have threatened me saying they will get dogs to come.I told him if he continues with his search I will taking down his name and badge number. Guess mother fucking what, 5 minuntes later, he comes up to me and says "alright you're free to go,go home".
Never let a officer search you illegally if you have bud on you.

Also, refusing a request gives them probable cause? WRONG.
Like others said, Did you think this one through?
What is the point of them asking if they can check your car, if they are just going to do it anyways?
Not attacking you or anything, but pick up a law book and learn your rights.

1. I didn't say that it would, I said it COULD. Due to other circumstances involving the stop in the first place. Oh, and for the record, in his case, if he was walking, then reasonable suspicion is ONLY needed for a stop and frisk.

Here is where my information came from in the first place..

Sorry if you the print is blurry, im sure you could find it online if you really wanted to.

-C

[xcraighebert]

Originally Posted by thosevacanteyes

1. I didn't say that it would, I said it COULD. Due to other circumstances involving the stop in the first place. Oh, and for the record, in his case, if he was walking, then reasonable suspicion is ONLY needed for a stop and frisk.

Here is where my information came from in the first place..

Sorry if you the print is blurry, im sure you could find it online if you really wanted to.

-C

A stop and frisk is much different than a search. I was refering to a search of your car.
A cop cannot search your car under suspicion alone. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I know for a fact though, there is no way a cop can search your car under suspicion alone.
I will link my many sources if you'd like.

[19JR84]

yea probally

[ThePhantom]

Originally Posted by Motoxridah

I shoved a sack of bud up my urethra and got away with it. BOW!

How is that even possible!

[thosevacanteyes]

Originally Posted by xcraighebert

A stop and frisk is much different than a search. I was refering to a search of your car.
A cop cannot search your car under suspicion alone. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I know for a fact though, there is no way a cop can search your car under suspicion alone.
I will link my many sources if you'd like.

I never at all disagreed with you on the fact that a cop cannot search a vehicle on R.S. alone.

I was saying that often times, during a vehicle stop, things that the "offender" does can add up to Probable Cause. Not just one thing, but the totality of circumstances. Basically a few little things that, when alone are just suspicious, but when paired together or the same location can amount to P.C.

I hope that makes sense, I can't really find the right way to say it.


-C