I high thought on weed legalization

[Chief Tokem]

Shit, I meant "A" high thought, but whatever...

Today after a few puffs out of the bub, I was sitting and thinking about weed being legal, and realized that it will never happen. I've seen a good number of posts saying how there's so many beneficial things that could come from weeds legalization, but I don't really think there is.

First off, anything to do with hemp (remember this is just an opinion) doesn't add to why weed should be legal. Yes I understand, and agree, with all the benefits large production of hemp could bring. The rope, fabric, oils, possible fuels, and much more durable alternative for normal paper hemp could provide would all be beneficial to society. But from what I understand hemp mainly comes from male plants, and the weed we all love to smoke comes from the female. The point being, you don't smoke hemp, if you did it wouldn't get you high, and it would be very easy to legalize (or stop the restrictions or whatever it is) hemp without legalizing the female buds we all want. (although this would still be quite the challenge seeing as how hemp production would take over many other industries, which would do anything in their power to keep it from happening.)

Now as for actual weed, many will argue of the medicinal value it has. My dad couldn't even get a bite down due to the nausea and stomach sick feelings he had from cancer and the treatment involved with it, If it weren't for the weed my mom had to get for him illegally( this was 8 years ago ), His last few months would have been much more unbearable than they needed to be. I know weed helps so many people with their illnesses and problems, but do you really think that's enough reason for the government to want to make it legal? Percocets help lots of people who have chronic pain get through the day, but do you think it's going to be an over the counter drug anytime soon?

Realistically, I just don't see it ever happening. What we really need to fight for is the legalization of hemp, and working to make medicinal marijuana accepted in every state, and by the federal government. That way those who really do need weed for their illnesses can get it easily without having to worry about being persecuted. Imagine dispensary's being a common store in every town. With the proper persuasion and teamwork, I could see it happening, but absolute legalization of weed just so people can smoke it and get high, I doubt it. But if all this were actually to happen, decriminalization of marijuana would just come naturally, at least that's what a believe.

So GC, what do you think? I'm open to all comments, remember this is just my opinion, don't think i wouldn't love to see weed legal( except for the fact that shitty bud would probably flood the streets).

[qwerty man]

I wouldn't worry about shitty bud if it were legal. I would just grow my own , honestly, who wouldn't?

[jcmartin86]

Percocets are the reason marijuana isn't legal. The huuuuuuge pharmaceutical comapnies (the same ones that throw ass-tons of money at politicians to lobby on their behalf) would rather keep america drugged up and throwing money at them rather than allowing them to grow their own medicine.

Once this "reefer madness" era of oldass politicans is out of office and rotting in their graves, and the new generation of properly educated (mostly due to the internet) politicians moves in...only then will legalization stand a chance

oh, forgot to mention that motherfucking cash cow called the DEA. but that's like a whole fucking novel of anotehr toppic

[sm666]

Heres my high thought on legalization. It's my body, why should anybody but myself be allowed to dictate to me what I should do with it?

It's not a matter of the "positives for legalizing" it's a matter of the basic freedom your denied by having controlled substances in the first place.

[amsterdamage]

I like the title, man!

The argument for legalization has to focus on the harms caused by the prohibition, not on the benefits of marijuana. We all know marijuana is (mostly) safe, and has real medical uses. This hasn't gotten it legalized.

Only be focusing on the harm the prohibition's causing to all of society can we hope to create sufficient outrage to bring it to an end.


In a lot of ways we're in the same position as Obama, he can get the Black vote just fine, but without getting the White vote he's not going to become president.
We can get Smokers to call on Congress just fine, but without getting Nonsmokers outraged at the prohibition and demanding Congress end it, it'll never happen.

Nonsmokers have a lot to gain from ending the prohibition, we have to educate them on how they'll benefit, then get them hungry for it to actually happen.

[coolrunnings]

It is possible, and actually being done in England, to grow marijuana female plants that have such a low % of THC and CBD's that its virtually unsmokable. They call them hemp plants, which are essencially cannabis sativa but meant to seperate smokable cannabis versus shwagg of the shwaggiest.

It's all Anslinger, Dupont, and large textile and cotton industries. Its like the Salem Witch Hunt. Everyone is looking for the Demon in weed but cant find it so they start rumors. Those led to the propaganda for the Anti-Pot groups. Its just a god damn rumor that unfortunately let its roots take hold. Now, we're trying to uproot it but the media and ignorant avg anti pot joe wont give in to new research and a more liberal view on this miracle plant.

I would be just as content to see hemp being used in place of most things as i would be if marijuana usage became legal.

Both ways will benefit the economy greatly.

[bunkermonkey325]

The debate now isn't about making marijuana legal at all, a lot of people think that when people are talking about making weed legal they think recreational weed. The whole debate is about medicinal marijuana and I am still a firm believer that if you are truely in need of something that can save your life or make your remaining time on this planet more comfortable it should without a doubt be legal.

[coolrunnings]

To OP, by the way, i didnt mean to disregard your thoughts. You have a viable arguement. I just am in the writing mood so i felt as if it was a good time to rant on about the subject.

[EdgarOregon100]

I disagree with the OP:

Times are changing. If you look at stats nowadays, they show clearly that while the majority of the public still isn't in favor of MJ legalization, a much higher percentage than there was ~1980 is in favor. I think it went up from about 20% to about 40%. The younger generation pretty much knows by now that marijuana is essentially harmless. That and the fact that in medical MJ states like California it has evolved into a multi-billion dollar industry. People are starting to get pissed off at what a waste of money MJ prohibition has been.

Call me overly optimistic, but I think that MJ (even recreational use) will be completely legal in 20-30 years at the latest. In 10-15 years I think many more states will start to decriminalize possession.

[Mr. Bunglesmith]

Originally Posted by jcmartin86

Percocets are the reason marijuana isn't legal. The huuuuuuge pharmaceutical comapnies (the same ones that throw ass-tons of money at politicians to lobby on their behalf) would rather keep america drugged up and throwing money at them rather than allowing them to grow their own medicine.

Once this "reefer madness" era of oldass politicans is out of office and rotting in their graves, and the new generation of properly educated (mostly due to the internet) politicians moves in...only then will legalization stand a chance

oh, forgot to mention that motherfucking cash cow called the DEA. but that's like a whole fucking novel of anotehr toppic

Deffinitly true. Right now, soooooooooo many industries would lose money if marijuana were legalized. And where do politicians get most of their funding? You guessed it; the same industries that would lose money if bud were legal. So politicians aren't exactly in a rush to try and get it legalized, as they want that money.

I think your right about a new generation being the key too. Every year, more and more people discover that marijuana is not that bad. Which means every new generation has a higher percentage of those willing to legalize. Eventually, these people will be taking office, and we will have our legal buds!!!

[strictlyheadies]

Originally Posted by amsterdamage

I like the title, man!

The argument for legalization has to focus on the harms caused by the prohibition, not on the benefits of marijuana. We all know marijuana is (mostly) safe, and has real medical uses. This hasn't gotten it legalized.

Only be focusing on the harm the prohibition's causing to all of society can we hope to create sufficient outrage to bring it to an end.


In a lot of ways we're in the same position as Obama, he can get the Black vote just fine, but without getting the White vote he's not going to become president.
We can get Smokers to call on Congress just fine, but without getting Nonsmokers outraged at the prohibition and demanding Congress end it, it'll never happen.

Nonsmokers have a lot to gain from ending the prohibition, we have to educate them on how they'll benefit, then get them hungry for it to actually happen.

that is the best thing ive ever heard on legalization you make a really REALLY good point

[Chief Tokem]

Originally Posted by coolrunnings

To OP, by the way, i didnt mean to disregard your thoughts. You have a viable arguement. I just am in the writing mood so i felt as if it was a good time to rant on about the subject.

No worries we're all just talking here, everyone has some good points. I'm way to blazed to even care anyway

[Atomic Madness]

I believe it's not really about convincing the government to legalize but more about convincing the people to legalize. If the people want it legal then the government has to legalize it or they'll have to deal with a large amount of angry people and no one wants that.

[Diesel29]

It's illegal because the government couldn't tax it. It's a natural occuring plant, therefore anyone could grow it.

It's really no big deal though...I grow it, but I can get it else where just as easy as going and getting some gas. I can't quite figure out how people get caught...as long as you're not a complete dumbass and get out on the road swerving and going 100 mph...how do so many people manage to get caught?

[Chaohinon]

I hope this isn't construed as me being callous towards hemp farmers and people in need of medical MJ (my father has MS, $1500 per month for big pharma's poison, I know the score), but I think that the medical marijuana/hemp movement is just a way of beating around the bush. The bottom line is that in a truly free society, all adults would be allowed the freedom of choice to do what they want with their bodies without having their doors kicked in and their children tazered. Recreational marijuana use needs to be the focus, and once that's done medical marijuana and hemp will naturally fall into place for obvious reasons.

Now, this is where I have to soberly agree with the OP in being soberly pessimistic when it comes to the prospect of legalization. Now, this is a problem that reverberates throughout every facet of our daily lives, intellectually, spiritually, emotionally, historically...I'll try my best to keep it brief.

I believe it was Aldous Huxley who proposed that the key to a top-tier, long-lasting totalitarian society is not using coercive force to keep people in submission, but rather, it's getting people to love and revere their position of subservience. This harkens back to the rampant worship for Abraham Lincoln that exists today: a man who suspended the writ of Habeus Corpus, who jailed boatloads of people without charge, who shamelessly used a bloodthirsty drunk (Grant) to further his own means, who violently invaded a section of the country that was trying to secede peacefully and democratically, spurring what was to be one of the most unnecessary and tragic bloodbaths in our history. As schoolchildren, in America, we're taught to unconditionally respect this man and his actions. We're taught to accept the supposed necessity of his trampling over constitutional rights in the name of national unity (ie: conformity, nationalism, homogenization of our culture, the same principles behind Nazism and communism). And that's been a glaring success, as evident with the current Patriot Act situation. I've met a disconcerting number of people who believe it's ok to ban books, to ban flag-burning, to censor media outlets, to step over liberty in the name of protection against some mythical monster that remains just over the horizon. In a nutshell, the sanctity of the U.S. constitution has been made a joke in the minds of most Americans.

That's the core of the whole problem, really. Banning alcohol required a constitutional amendment, so the current DEA circle jerk is essentially illegal under the higheset rule of law in this country. But that's ok, because we have to stop the drugs at all costs, just as with terrorists, as with the commies and the japs and the russkies and the germs and the gooks before them. Our enemies won't stop in their tireless quest to crush our freedoms, so we have to revoke them first to deter them from our shores.

The only way to solve our little problem is to get all Americans to understand that the criminalization of substances - especially natural, non-synthetic ones - represents a terrifying affront to the liberties and rights they hold dear. It flies in the face of the very reasons this nation was founded. It sets a moral and [il]legal standard for the way the nation functions as a whole.

The hell of it is, we've already failed at that. The people love their servitude. I've been campaigning heavily for Ron Paul recently, hoping against hope that things could be turned around, if even to the slightest degree. But frankly, short of a violent, nationwide armed uprising, I don't foresee a great possibility of things changing for the better.

Best to just hide in your hole, close your blinds, and try your best to enjoy what little time you have before they come for you.