Addiction is not the issue.

[JetteroHeller]

I posted here on the gateway drug aspect of marijuana a few months ago, but after watching this joints PSA, I realized I might be arguing the wrong issue.

It seems a lot of people start smoking pot due to social pressure, as it seems like the cool thing to do which will make you popular somehow. But what if you're growing up in a clean house, with parents that don't take drugs and would be opposed to you doing so, and now you're day-in and day-out sitting on the fact that you're tokin every day?

Seems that much more than physical addictive qualities like crystal meth, the alienation that would cause from one's friends would be more the factor that would drive one to harder drugs.

I know, as someone who takes no drugs, I'm not going to get much agreement on anything in this forum, but at least I might stand enlightened on what actually happens.

--j

[TokingToker]

Well I came up in a really strict house, I just grew older, my dad use to smoke my mom hates it. My parents rather have me do it at home then outside, so I do. I never did any hard drugs unless you want to put nicotine in the category, all you need i self control. If you're an idiot, don't do drugs.

[Radio Flyer]

I smoke cigarettes and reefer. I did Coke one time at the age of 17, and I have not touched anything but Green and Cigarettes since then. Self control is true.

[JetteroHeller]

Originally Posted by Radio Flyer

I smoke cigarettes and reefer. I did Coke one time at the age of 17, and I have not touched anything but Green and Cigarettes since then. Self control is true.

I wish everyone else could have the same self-control. I think all too many of them end up like the kid in the video.

[edward]

You need to make an effort to get the least biased information possible.

True factual information comes not from a single source, but is more of a general consensus as a result of cross referencing information from multiple sources, whether they are pro drug sources or anti drug sources.

The sites from which you derive your information seem biased, at least to me.

http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/new...to-lung-cancer

Heavy Marijuana Use Doesn't Damage Brain

http://content.msn.co.in./lifestyle/...00407_0121.htm

That being said, I think you are a stoner with too much time on his hands.

[JetteroHeller]

Hm. Biased. It all seems pretty sensible to me, though, as I've never taken drugs and see what drugs do to people that I care for.

But is there something in that marijuana PDF that you would disagree with?

[JtotheP]

Your right. Addiction isnt the issue, becuase there is no addiction when it comes to marijuana. its people who make themselves susceptable to mental addiction. you can be metally addicted to anything from water to chocolate. And the stories you read on those sites,

“I was given my rst joint in the playground of my school. I’m a heroin addict now, and I’ve just nished my eighth treatment for drug addiction.”

These people are already mentally unstable in the sense that they become attached to a certain anything. And i honestly think in my opinion people like this, who put blame on marijuana saying they started out with it, became a heroin addict. should crawl into a ball and just fucking die. Becuase seriously its ignorant, vulnerable, idiots who put themselves at risk, not marijuana. Theres a certain extent to which you must draw the line, control yourself and your decisions.

[JtotheP]

Originally Posted by JetteroHeller

Hm. Biased. It all seems pretty sensible to me, though, as I've never taken drugs and see what drugs do to people that I care for.

But is there something in that marijuana PDF that you would disagree with?

Yes, most sites like that post biased unfactual information. or embellish the truth.
"According to a National Household Survey on Drug Abuse, kids who frequently use marijuana are almost four times more likely to act violently or damage property. They are five times more likely to steal than those who do not use the drug."

that information itself is misleading and biased. You cant get any factual statistics, Thats like saying poor people are more likely to steal. There are certain race groups more prone to violence, that may also smoke marijuana. Its not marijuana that makes them do the crimes, its where they come from and who they are.
Can anybody on this forum tell me the last time they smoked a joint, and said to themselves, Damn i should go knock over a fucking 7/11. Its just not like that.

"there has been a sharp increase in the number of marijuana-related emergency room visits by young pot smokers."
Who? are they dead? no. the only motherfucker that called 911 was that cop who thought he was dead after eating some brownies.

[Iriedub 47]

personally i only drink and smoke pot, i did salvia once which is a legall drug you can buy. My aunt has been smoking pot for 30 years without taking any hard drugs. someof my friends from high school have gone on to do harder drugs but these the kids that always where abusing alcohol before smoking pot and where always irresponsible, i think if they never smoked pot they probably would have done the same drugs anyways

[amsterdamage]

hey J. I'm really glad you posted cos I've got a few questions I've been wanting to ask a person who takes no drugs. You see I just don't understand you guys, I mean I respect you as much as I respect people who take drugs but I just don't understand you.

Actually before I go further, are you saying you don't take illicit drugs or are you saying you don't take drugs at all? I could understand you a bit if you take caffeine, tobacco and alcohol, but I can't even begin to understand you if you do truly take no drugs.

If you use tobacco and like to get drunk then I have to ask you why would you use drugs that are addictive and deadly instead of using marijuana which at the very most is just habitually addictive and which has never killed a single person? If you've tried it and it didn't agree with you then I understand that, I had a good friend who was just like that, but if you've never tried it and never want to then I can't understand that one little bit.


Humans are just starting to get to know what we truly are, all the breakthroughs happening these days are just the tip of the iceberg, there's so very much more that's going to be discovered over even just the next 100,000 years. So it's never a surprise to me when we discover that things we take for granted about ourselves are just an illusion. If you've ever read Animals and Psychedelics by Giorgio Samorini you'll have read about wild animals deliberately seeking to get intoxicated. Although there's a distinct lack of hard evidence, it doesn't seem unreasonable to suppose that the wild animals Homo sapiens descended from also had a natural drive to seek mood-altering experiences. This would therefore make it a natural drive for humans and would mean that we've had this drive for the entirety of our existence. In fact the drive to experience altered states of consciousness is currently being recognized as being equal with the drives for food, security and sex.

So you see I don't understand when I meet someone who takes no drugs. I'm aware that the other drives are experienced in different people to a higher or lesser degree, so could it simply be the same thing as people with a low sex drive?

I really didn't understand what you were trying to say in your post, but I'll address the things I did understand:

It seems a lot of people start smoking pot due to social pressure

- this is incorrect, the vast majority of people start smoking pot due to the fact that it's the safest mood altering substance on the planet, and the experience it gives is very enlightening and pleasant.

it seems like the cool thing to do which will make you popular somehow

- this is incorrect, smoking is neither cool nor not cool, it's a personal thing people do and while we enjoy smoking with friends we certainly don't smoke to make friends.

the alienation that would cause from one's friends would be more the factor that would drive one to harder drugs

- I didn't quite understand this sentence, are you saying that using marijuana makes us alienated so we then move onto harder drugs? The problem with this is marijuana doesn't make us alienated, it's very much a social drug. The vast majority of smokers have no interest in harder drugs, those people who do have an interest may smoke or may not, there never has been a causal effect.

This post is definitely long enough, I hope you have time to give me some insight into your type of people, it'd be very welcome.

[Bencker]

My parents are VERY strict and not one of my friends smoke except two of them. And i was the one that said i wanted to smoke because i've been reading alot about weed on the internet and found out that is way safer than drinking alcohol and just acting stupid.

[polishpothead]

self control, thats all u need

[Hank Scorpio]

i moved onto harder drugs but i only do e, acid and shrooms. ive eaten 15 pills in the past 3 weeks, tripped on shrooms last night and on wed im doing acid. addiction is not the problem with a lot of drugs. i wake up from a night of e and i feel so good even without smoking a j yet. i dont drink alcohol anymore really. i do once and a while but i always regret it bc its too much of a downer for me.

acid is the hardest drug ill do and if i like it i might only do it a few more times, depends on how i feel about it. i dont feel pressured into doing things at all. i had 3 lines i coulda done for free on the weekend but i said no thanks.

anytime anybody mentions weed and addiction i just laugh and tell them how stupid that really sounds. some ppl are prone to addiction to all drugs. theres ppl out there addicted to coffee and thats all they do is drink coffee all day everyday.

when i got no drugs at all i just go on i dont care. i dont need drugs.

[hero]

First off you can't possibly believe all the governments propaganda. Ok first i will start with this http://www.drugfreeworld.org/factsab...gs/joints.html. complete crap. they are calling it "joints" "truth behind the JOINT" which could also be mixed with tobacco to give it addictive properties. Second

"kids who frequently use marijuana are almost four times more likely to act violently or damage property. They are five times more likely to steal than those who do not use the drug."

how can we be so violent and troublesome while at the same time the government pointed out that most of us "do nothing but sit on pete's couch all day, we don't go out and fall and scrape our knee playing sports hell we barley get up to change the channel and they are saying we are destroying things and stealing when the same funder of all these anti-marijuana campaigns THE GOVERNMENT cant even make up its mind on whether we are violent and dangerous or if were just lazy and eat food all day.

Third " Sixty percent of teenagers in drug treatment programs are there because of marijuana." ok all these kids are in re-hab now and you know why the numbers are so high? THE PARENTS. parents put them in re-hab because they believe it is a problem when it is not. notice it says TEENAGERS. now some of us on this site are still teenagers ourselves but we are all certainly adults. now show me the article that tells about how many adults admit themselves to re-hab because of their SOLE marijuana use. It was even said in the movie HALF BAKED. you go to rehab for drugs not a plant, Bob Saget sucked dick for coke. How many Marijuana Conasouirs are willing to suck dick for a dime bag? an ounce? i dont think so.

Fourth. Now not everyone knows all of this but before 1937 marijuana was perfectly legal. before that it was AGAINST the law not to grow marijuana. Many of the founding four fathers of our country not only consumed (eating or smoking) but also grew vast quantities of marijuana.

well after believing i ripped this guy a new asshole i leave the rest for my fellow blades.

[amsterdamage]

I guess j went away. That's a shame, I had another question for him: why do nonsmokers want to change the habits of smokers while smokers couldn't give a toss what nonsmokers do?

And why are smokers willing to accept new findings on the effects of marijuana, regardless whether they find it safe or dangerous, while nonsmokers refuse to acknowledge any study that doesn't agree with their point of view?

Why are smokers open-minded while nonsmokers are closed-minded?


I've got a theory that smokers are a new "phenom" in society, we are more open-minded than the incumbent, we are more tolerant and accepting of others. They resist us because we're new and it's natural to resist any change but we cannot be stopped. Ten thousand years from now historians will look back at this time as the 'enlightening of society', when open-minded traits replaced the narrow minded bigotry previously entrenched.