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Old 09-20-2007, 07:22 AM
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If you support keeping drugs illegal

<dl><dt>You support robberies and assaults on innocent people. </dt><dd>The high prices of drugs caused by prohibition force many drug addicts to turn to robbery in order to pay for their drugs. Legalization would drop drug prices. Drug users would no longer need to rob/assault innocent people in order to support their drug habit. This violence against innocent people would end if drugs were legalized.
</dd><dt>You support clogging our prisons and jails with nonviolent people. </dt><dd>Nearly 50% of all people in prison and jail are serving time for nonviolent drug charges. There are thousands of people in prisons for 5, 10, 50 years--even life--for possessing marijuana or cocaine! The average rapist is set free after serving only 3 years in prison, the average murderer is set free after serving only 9 years in prison! To house just one prisoner for one year costs the taxpayer $40,000! The result of these harsh penalties? Drug use has increased! (Tough laws have not stopped me from using marijuana--nor will they ever!)
</dd><dt>You support organized crime and drug cartels. </dt><dd>Huge drug cartels and criminal organizations thrive off the enormous profits caused by drug prohibition. These organizations are responsible for thousands of murders! Many of people killed or hurt are innocent people who get in the way! These violent organizations will never be put out of business--unless drugs are legalized.
</dd><dt>You support environmental destruction. </dt><dd>Underground cocaine and methamphetamine labs use toxic chemicals to produce those drugs--the wastes are recklessly dumped in forests and streams. These highly toxic chemicals are causing major environmental damage in South American rainforests and now in the U.S. This environmental destruction will stop only if drugs are legalized.
</dd><dt>You support drug dealers and street gangs. </dt><dd>Drug dealers and street gangs fight over drug territories. Thousands of people are murdered and assaulted because of this fighting--many are innocent people who get in the way. This violence is another result of the huge profits caused by drug prohibition.
</dd><dt>You lure thousands of young people into quitting school. </dt><dd>It is a fact that thousands of inner-city youths drop out of school to make enormous profits by selling drugs. The incentive to drop out of school would end if drugs were legalized.
</dd><dt>You do nothing to keep drugs away from kids or out of schools. </dt><dd>In spite of what you may believe, keeping drugs illegal does not keep drugs away from children! Drugs are easily obtainable in almost every high school in America. Legalizing drugs would put schoolyard drug dealers out of business! There would be less drugs in our schools if drugs were legalized. Drugs would still be illegal for minors!
</dd><dt>You subsidize criminals by letting them reap huge drug profits without paying taxes. </dt><dd>Since drugs are sold anyway, wouldn’t you rather have them heavily taxed so it would reduce your tax burden? You are giving criminals a free ride and it’s coming out of your own pocket. Working people pay 100% of all taxes for the drug dealers! Why do you want to pay taxes for drug dealers?
</dd><dt>You advocate punishing millions of harmless drug users (like me) at an enormous cost to society. </dt><dd>If you believe drugs should be illegal, then you advocate spending your tax dollars to arrest/jail/punish millions of productive, honest, and harmless working people (like myself). Why? We hurt nobody! Who benefits from this policy? Nobody! Who loses from this policy? Everybody! Drug users can only hurt themselves. But the drug war harms/kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people and burdens you--the taxpayer. The drug war costs you hundreds of dollars every year! The drug war has not reduced drug use!

</dd></dl> Prohibitionists claim drugs must be illegal because they harm people. Why are prohibitionists so concerned about what other people do to themselves? Why do they feel it is their responsibility and right to control the lifestyles of other adults? The prohibitionists tell stories of people who hurt themselves with illegal drugs. So what? For every one person who has been harmed with illegal drugs, there are dozens of people who have used illegal drugs and were not harmed. For every one person who has been harmed by illegal drugs, there are 1,000 people who harm/kill themselves by deliberately choosing these harmful lifestyles...
  • Being overweight
  • Smoking cigarettes
  • Watching too much TV
  • Eating high-fat/high-cholesterol diets
  • Eating too much meat
  • Participating in dangerous sports/activities
  • Drinking alcohol
  • Eating too much sugar
  • Eating too few fruits/vegetables
  • Drinking too much coffee
  • Getting little/no exercise
Why don’t the prohibitionists advocate banning all of the above harmful lifestyles? The prohibitionists tolerate people who hurt/kill themselves with tobacco, alcohol, poor diet, or no exercise, but they refuse to tolerate people who harm themselves with cocaine. Why? Inconsistent! Illogical! Irrational! We now come to the real reason why marijuana, cocaine, LSD, and other drugs are illegal: Lifestyle control! Prohibitionists fear that if drugs are legalized, the “drug culture” will spread to the rest of society. Nobody can force others to use drugs! Adults must take responsibility for their own health! Because the prohibitionists have decided that drugs are wrong for them does not give them the right to force their lifestyle on others. Prohibitionists want government to play the role of parent. Prohibitionists believe they must babysit adults. Prohibitionists are the lifestyle police!
In the last 25 years, per capita alcohol and tobacco consumption has decreased significantly. This was accomplished by education and treatment, not by threat of punishment! Drug use/abuse would drop significantly if we spent our resources on education and treatment instead of law enforcement. No rational person would call for imprisonment of smokers and drinkers in order to reduce tobacco and alcohol use. But that method is exactly how we try to reduce drug use. The savings to be had in ending the drug war could easily pay for all the drug treatment and education programs we need. The drug war is a failure! Education and treatment work!
If you don’t like a culture or a lifestyle, don’t live it! If you don’t like alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, or other drugs, don’t use them! But don’t ban my personal lifestyle for fear it will poison your lifestyle. Adults must take responsibility for their own actions! It is a flagrant violation of individual freedom to threaten others with punishment just because they choose a lifestyle that is not right for you.
I will continue to smoke marijuana and enjoy it! I hurt nobody! If others do not approve of what I do to myself in my own home, too bad! I may not care for the music you listen to, the food you eat, or the culture you have adopted, but I would never advocate punishing you because I don’t like your lifestyle. If someone violates the rights of others, the violater should be punished; otherwise, people should mind their own business. Adults who use drugs responsibly--whether they be tobacco, alcohol, LSD, or marijuana--cause no harm to others! Leave us alone!
If you still believe drugs should be illegal, answer this question... Why do you believe it is good policy to punish me--and 20 million adult Americans like me--because I choose to use marijuana in the privacy of my own home? Who benefits from this policy and how do they benefit?

Total cost of drug prohibition
  • Over 300,000 nonviolent people lose their freedom to prison/jail.
  • Thousands of murders, assaults, and robberies caused by drug crimes.
  • $20 billion/year in law enforcement costs.
  • $10 billion/year in lost tax revenue (similar to alcohol tax).
  • $5 billion/year in property losses due to drug-related crimes.
  • $50 billion/year and 500,000 jobs lost because of no hemp industry.
Total cost = $85 billion/year = $500 per taxpayer every year! Harmful Effects?

<table border="1"> <tbody><tr><th>Drugs </th><th>Most Harmful Effects</th></tr> <tr> <th>Alcohol</th> <td>
  • Liver damage, birth defects, kills brain cells, intoxication, can induce violent behavior
  • Addiction: As addicting as cocaine!
  • Overdose: Possible.
  • Deaths/year (U.S.): 100,000 (Not counting drunk driving or crimes caused while intoxicated.)
</td> </tr> <tr> <th>Tobacco</th> <td>
  • Lung, throat, and mouth cancer, emphysema, heart damage, premature aging of skin, underdeveloped newborn babies.
  • Addiction: As addicting as heroin or cocaine!
  • Overdose: Possible, but extremely unlikely.
  • Deaths/year (U.S.): 400,000
</td> </tr> <tr> <th>Marijuana</th> <td>
  • Slight chance of bronchitis in some users.
  • Possible minor sperm count reduction, but unproven.
  • Lung cancer remotely possible with extremely heavy use, but unproven.
  • Short-term memory loss only while intoxicated--Not permanent!
  • Addiction: less addicting than coffee, soda, meat, or sugar!
  • Overdose: Impossible!
  • Deaths/year (U.S.): 0 (Zero!)
</td> </tr> </tbody></table> <hr>
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:25 AM
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did u get this somewhere? submit it to above the ignorance.
 
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:11 AM
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<dl><dt>You advocate punishing millions of harmless drug users (like me) at an enormous cost to society. </dt><dd>If you believe drugs should be illegal, then you advocate spending your tax dollars to arrest/jail/punish millions of productive, honest, and harmless working people (like myself). Why? We hurt nobody! Who benefits from this policy? Nobody! Who loses from this policy? Everybody! Drug users can only hurt themselves. But the drug war harms/kills hundreds of thousands of innocent people and burdens you--the taxpayer. The drug war costs you hundreds of dollars every year! The drug war has not reduced drug use!

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who profits?

cops - they get tons of 'income' from busting people/dealers and not a single penny is required by law to support the very programs 'n schools all honest tax payers are forced to pay for

drug companies - they love the fact that drugs are controlled and weed is illegal...after all how can you profit off discoveries of 1900-1950 if they're forced into the average market at cost

drug companies again...- how can they profit from people growing their own bud? can't tax it can't stop it if pot is legal so they suddenly lose all the 5,000 a month chemo treatments and all the maranol sales

goverment - they profit by simply taxing a few vices and rigging jobs for scum to fight the 'war on drugs'

pigs yet again...lol - they now have the excuse to hire more people


the drug game is as bad or worse than the green save our planet bullshit that hires inbred government offical family members to sort through trash at 11-15 bucks a fuckin' hour when anything but aluminum is totally expendable

just like the drug game these cocksuckers are fine poisoning the earth by recycling paper plastics and other assorted crap just so some of the low level clout job rejects can have some city gig to milk tax payers for


it's all bullshit and as I've said many times over...we need to end it NOW and the best way to go about ending it is to vote out every incestual incumbent dirtbag we can

we can deal with the douchebags we vote in next time around if they obviously aren't listening to us but we gotta break up the freakin' crews they got going cuz they all blow eachother for a favor
 
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:16 AM
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:35 AM
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I like it, you have many good points but these statements below aren't true

The average rapist is set free after serving only 3 years in prison, the average murderer is set free after serving only 9 years in prison!

no way only 9 years for an average murder, most murders are 25 years-life in prison or the death penatly..idk think a rapist can be released only for 3 years, i thought at least 10-15 years.
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:57 AM
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I like it, you have many good points but these statements below aren't true

The average rapist is set free after serving only 3 years in prison, the average murderer is set free after serving only 9 years in prison!

no way only 9 years for an average murder, most murders are 25 years-life in prison or the death penatly..idk think a rapist can be released only for 3 years, i thought at least 10-15 years.
it depends on the murder. by friend was released after 9 years served of a life sentence for murder. he got into a fight, knocked a guy out and the guy hit the back of his head on the curb.
 
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:38 AM
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I think a lot of that information has been "Spun" to make weed seem a little less harsh. I think a lot of drugs should be illegal because they'll fuck you up whether they'll legal or not. I do however think that certain things, like weed, should be decriminalized. You get caught, you pay a fine. I think that's fair considering that weed can have a negative impact on your health, and it's your responsibility to pay at least a portion of the potential medical costs. Just like cigarettes.

Also, just because other "legal" things are bad for you, isn't really an excuse to legalize drugs. Two wrongs don't make a right. And no matter what you decide to make legal, there will always be people out there who just want to do the illegal drugs for the thrill of it. I just think it'll lead to more harsher drug use, and we can't be going around making methamphetamines easily available.
 
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Old 09-20-2007, 05:28 PM
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I think a lot of that information has been "Spun" to make weed seem a little less harsh. I think a lot of drugs should be illegal because they'll fuck you up whether they'll legal or not. I do however think that certain things, like weed, should be decriminalized. You get caught, you pay a fine. I think that's fair considering that weed can have a negative impact on your health, and it's your responsibility to pay at least a portion of the potential medical costs. Just like cigarettes.

Also, just because other "legal" things are bad for you, isn't really an excuse to legalize drugs. Two wrongs don't make a right. And no matter what you decide to make legal, there will always be people out there who just want to do the illegal drugs for the thrill of it. I just think it'll lead to more harsher drug use, and we can't be going around making methamphetamines easily available.
we can't? no one has allowed things to be legal in a manner that makes them cheap clean and easy to obtain by anyone of legal age

as such your bullshit opinion that things would get worse is just that and it's damn sad that most of the population has the same ignorant view of personal freedom

YOU don't have a right to tell others what they'll end up doing on any chemical because you just like the government 'n the cops have no fucking clue how things would play out since it's never been tried much less supported by the masses

if you want weed taxed 'n legal you gotta accept cocaine mdma opiates 'n speed as legal vices (as they should be)
 
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Old 09-20-2007, 05:38 PM
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we can't? no one has allowed things to be legal in a manner that makes them cheap clean and easy to obtain by anyone of legal age

as such your bullshit opinion that things would get worse is just that and it's damn sad that most of the population has the same ignorant view of personal freedom

YOU don't have a right to tell others what they'll end up doing on any chemical because you just like the government 'n the cops have no fucking clue how things would play out since it's never been tried much less supported by the masses

if you want weed taxed 'n legal you gotta accept cocaine mdma opiates 'n speed as legal vices (as they should be)
The fact is is that many people are ignorant to the fact that many illegal drugs can cause serious medical risks. People don't seem to understand how much havoc heroin and meth. can wreak on a persons system. Making drugs like these legal would just make it easier for the retards out there to obtain it, try it, get addicted to it, and start robbing people in order to support their habit. This is not a difficult thing to understand.

That being said, legalizing weed, shrooms, and maybe mdma probably wouldn't be that big of a deal and in fact, like the OP said, would greatly benefit society by reducing "crime" (drug dealing) on the streets and thus help to unclog our prisons.
 
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Old 09-20-2007, 06:26 PM
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you completely ignore the fact that if legal the cost of all these chemicals would drop and any shady fucks stealing to support such a cheap habit would get caught much faster since the 'war on drugs' wouldn't be an issue

the retards who don't research or take care of themselves and steal for a fix can go OD or die for all I fucking care since they're wastes of flesh anyway

weed out the useless fucks allow true freedom and avoid shady scum stealing from innocents by STOPPING THE INFLATION

if that simple concept of freedom doesn't sink in you're a lost cause bro cuz the current system sure as hell has'nt done anything but fuck people over while doctors pharms pigs 'n prisons have profited with massive job hikes 'n inflated cost of said chemicals
 
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Old 09-20-2007, 10:44 PM
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yo subnoise. i need to know if u wrote this. if so we need this type of thing on the above the ignorance site! that would be a WONDERFULLY thought out argument to put.
 
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Old 09-20-2007, 11:59 PM
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I support the prohibition of all drugs. Of course, marijuana is not a drug.
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:20 AM
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IMO...if weed was legal, the goverment would tax it, and there wouldn't be much dank shit
 
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:20 AM
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budrox you will find that you're beliefs aren't too logical after uve spent time around things.

having to hide addiction behind closed doors is wrong. its a disease not a criminal act.

on top of that other things arent drugs such as psilocybin mushrooms, cacti, salvia (which ive heard in '08 is going to be illegal), and other things like dmt plants and the such.
 
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:22 AM
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there would be dank shit just as there is now. they couldnt stop personal growth even if it was legal. they should decriminalize it. let it be a cottage industry, and let there be some commercial sales of it. that way the commercial sales would be taxed, but people could still grow personally. just regulate the laws for use of it like alcohol.
 
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