The Truth About Marijuana

[mushroomsatsuji]

I have to say this. Scientology is a cult. Its just like a fucking comic book. I see no difference from this to the trekies(star trek fanatics)

[Rabiez]

Originally Posted by mushroomsatsuji

I have to say this. Scientology is a cult. Its just like a fucking comic book. I see no difference from this to the trekies(star trek fanatics)

Awwww! Man! I was desperately trying to swim clear of the subject, but if you're determined to keep flicking that bait on top of the water ahead of me, I may get hooked enough for you to pull me in.

No. I won't discuss religion here. It'll get ugly.

Oh go on then, but just a nibble....


*Puffs out chest*
*Fixes stare on mushroomsatsuji*









What you sayin' about Trekkies, mate?!

[mushroomsatsuji]

haha, sorry. I wasnt trying to insult you, so if it came off that way, I apologize. It just burns me that people today will believe just about anything. Its like no one thinks for themselves anymore

[Sir Smoke A Lot]

lol all the drugs have their own names and then they classify marijuana as "joints". well i smoke bowls and blunts so i guess i got nothin to worry about...

[Rabiez]

Originally Posted by mushroomsatsuji

haha, sorry. I wasnt trying to insult you, so if it came off that way, I apologize.

Not at all. No apology required, I was just trying to be funny. In fact, I should apologise for having made you feel that you should apologise. I'm sorry dude.

It just burns me that people today will believe just about anything. Its like no one thinks for themselves anymore

Lemmings! Weeeeeeeeeeee!

[FishLegs]

The truth? You want the truth? This country can't handle the truth! They don't want the truth because deep down in places they don't talk about at parties, they want to get high...they NEED to get high. We use words like stoned, baked, and wasted. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something! They use them as a punchline! They have neither the time nor the inclination to understand our side of the debate.

I would rather they just said thank you, and went on their way. Otherwise I suggest they pick up a phat joint and get high for once in their lives. Either way I don't give a damn what they THINK they are entitled to do.

End the War on American Citizens.

[WiseOne]

Originally Posted by OldSchoolHippie

How do you know that that site holds any relevance? I have read it and most of it seems like complete government bullshit. Marijuana doesn't affect people's ethics or morals, don't be ignorant. I have been smoking for a very long time, maybe longer than you've been alive, and I have not once had the urge to steal anything, or damage property. The person is the one who makes the descision to steal, or damage property. Marijuana does not effect that descision. If marijuana does anything it makes me more peaceful. Have you ever tried the drug? I am guessing you haven't. Please show some respect and try something before you flame it, it is nieve. I have tried many hallucinogenics over the years and I have not changed as a person, and even if I have I can assure you it is not in a bad way. I am probably one of the nicest, most laid back guy you will ever meet. Why waste your time fighting against a harmless drug when you could be spending your time fighting against drugs that are actually dangerous, like meth or heroin? I have no respect for people like you. Ignorant, nieve people offend me when they tell me I am killing brain cells and getting cancer. The government lies, especially the one we have now. Please learn to be a little more open minded about things.

As far as the basic question of whether taking illegal, mind altering substances (even Marijuana) being right or wrong, I was always taught to ask myself the question "What if everyone did it, would it cause a problem?"

Similar to homosexuality, I think it would definitely cause a problem if everyone did it.

[mushroomsatsuji]

Thus why only responsible users should smoke.

Originally Posted by NORML

1 Cannabis consumption is for adults only. Many things and activities are suitable for young people, but others absolutely are not. Children do not drive cars, enter into contracts or marry, and they must not use drugs.

2 The responsible cannabis user does not operate a motor vehicle or other dangerous machinery impaired by cannabis. Although cannabis is said by most experts to be safer than alcohol and many prescription drugs with motorists, public safety demands that impaired drivers be taken off the road and that objective measures of impairment be developed and used, rather than chemical testing.

3 The responsible cannabis user will carefully consider his/her setting and regulate use accordingly. The responsible cannabis consumer will be vigilant as to conditions -- time, place, mood, etc. -- and does not hesitate to say "no" when those conditions are not conducive to a safe, pleasant and/or productive experience.

4 Use of cannabis, to the extent that it impairs health, personal development or achievement, is abuse and should be resisted by responsible cannabis users. Abuse means harm. Some cannabis use is harmful; most is not. That which is harmful should be discouraged; that which is not need not be.

5 The responsible cannabis user does not violate the rights of others, observes accepted standards of courtesy and public propriety, and respects the preferences of those who wish to avoid cannabis entirely. Regardless of the legal status of cannabis, responsible users will adhere to emerging tobacco smoking protocols in public and private places.

[thisbechuck]

Originally Posted by WiseOne

As far as the basic question of whether taking illegal, mind altering substances (even Marijuana) being right or wrong, I was always taught to ask myself the question "What if everyone did it, would it cause a problem?"

Similar to homosexuality, I think it would definitely cause a problem if everyone did it.

WiseOne, eh?

First off, I don't believe your question provides a valid assessment into what should/should not be allowed in society. It represents a much more totalitarian ideal, that everyone needs to follow the same standards for society to work. This is an unrealistic expectation, and is contrary to basic ideals of freedom and personal liberties.

But even so, even though it is an unreasonable way to evaluate the acceptability of certain activities, I can still argue my point through it. Obviously no one expects people to be working at all times. It is considered reasonable and important to personal well-being to pass a little time relaxing. And if people want to pass that designated 'unproductive time' being stoned, all the more power to them. So yes, if everyone in the world wanted to relax by smoking pot (no one said anything about being stoned all the time), the world would continue working without a problem.

But beyond that, not all the time you are stoned is unproductive. Pot can also, in essence, add to society. Beyond making menial tasks, such as organizing or cleaning, more interesting, I know personally when I toke up, I have interesting ideas and see situations and problems from a different perspective.

"Mind altering" is not always synonymous with "thought obfuscating," you know.

[WiseOne]

Originally Posted by thisbechuck

Beyond making menial tasks, such as organizing or cleaning, more interesting, I know personally when I toke up, I have interesting ideas and see situations and problems from a different perspective.

Just what we need, a world full of people performing menial tasks.

[mushroomsatsuji]

If people didnt do menial tasks, everyone would be bums. Everyone has chores that have to do to make modern life possible. So we already have a world of people performing menial tasks.

[WiseOne]

Originally Posted by mushroomsatsuji

If people didnt do menial tasks, everyone would be bums. Everyone has chores that have to do to make modern life possible. So we already have a world of people performing menial tasks.

What we would end up, I believe, is a world full of people just performing menial tasks.

"It started with the weed, then the pills (Ecstasy) and acid, making cocktails of all sorts of drugs, even overdosing to make the rushes last longer. I took copious amounts of these chemicals every day for as long as two years until I had a bad trip one night and went into toxic psychosis. I prayed and cried for this feeling to go away, I had voices in my head, had the shakes and couldn't leave home for 6 months. I became very withdrawn and thought everyone was watching me. I couldn't walk in public places. Man! I couldn't even drive.

I ended up homeless and on the streets, living and sleeping in a cardboard box, begging and struggling to find ways to get my next meal.

I asked myself if this is rock bottom and I believe that it was. While observing these homeless people, I decided that I had had enough. Yes, I wanted drugs but I realized that I could want life more."

— B.K.
www.drugfreeworld.org/real-life/index.html

I just think the altered state of awareness that's attained under the influence of drugs like Marijuana is escapist. Why not live in the real world instead of escaping from the reality of your problems by masking or ignoring them with drugs.

[sinenomine]

You seem unable to accept the fact that the vast, vast majority of marijuana users are nothing like your biased links. Most of us at the city have jobs, friends, and a fulfilling life. The fact that we choose to smoke every once in a while does not mean that we are "masking our problems with drugs." We feel that the quality of our daily lives are improved by it, it doesnt have to become our life. For every million or so well functioning, well adjusted smokers, you'll have one or two idiots like the testimonials you posted who have no self control and screw their body. People that stupid will have messed up their lives any other number of ways, blaming drugs for it is not wise.

"escaping from reality" as you put it has gone on as long as humans have existed in the form of books, music, plays, storytelling, and anything else. Am i just trying to cover up my problems and escape reality when I pop in Star Wars? Or is it that I just enjoy some things enough to feel that my life is bettered by them and at the same time have an ounce of responsiblity?

And as for your "if everybody did it" scenario....

If everyone was a janitor, cleaning up puke and shit, nothing would ever be accomplished. Is it therefore immoral to be a janitor?

[Dannk!]

Originally Posted by WiseOne

What we would end up, I believe, is a world full of people just performing menial tasks.

"It started with the weed, then the pills (Ecstasy) and acid, making cocktails of all sorts of drugs, even overdosing to make the rushes last longer. I took copious amounts of these chemicals every day for as long as two years until I had a bad trip one night and went into toxic psychosis. I prayed and cried for this feeling to go away, I had voices in my head, had the shakes and couldn't leave home for 6 months. I became very withdrawn and thought everyone was watching me. I couldn't walk in public places. Man! I couldn't even drive.

I ended up homeless and on the streets, living and sleeping in a cardboard box, begging and struggling to find ways to get my next meal.

I asked myself if this is rock bottom and I believe that it was. While observing these homeless people, I decided that I had had enough. Yes, I wanted drugs but I realized that I could want life more."

— B.K.
www.drugfreeworld.org/real-life/index.html

I just think the altered state of awareness that's attained under the influence of drugs like Marijuana is escapist. Why not live in the real world instead of escaping from the reality of your problems by masking or ignoring them with drugs.

We already have a world full of people performing menial tasks, as mushroomsatsuji stated. There is absolutely no reson why any person who smokes marijuana(even heavily) cannot continue to be a productive member of society. Stop posting shit from that lameass, propaganda filled, scientologist (cult) sponserd website. No one on this forum is stupid engough to buy into that garbage. Smoking marijuana is definatly not about escaping the real world, or masking your problems. Smoking marijuana is fun. It is a hobby that you do in your spare time, not dissimilar to skiing, mountain biking, woodworking, or any other hoby one might have. Please do not come on to our marijuana forum in an attemp to "educate" us about the dangers of smoking, as we know far more about the subject than you ever will. Have a nice day.

Peace
Dannk!...

[WiseOne]

Originally Posted by Dannk!

Please do not come on to our marijuana forum in an attemp to "educate" us about the dangers of smoking, as we know far more about the subject than you ever will. Have a nice day.

Yes, you sound quite educated.

Peace.