The Purple Haze Debate

[toker2021]

Originally Posted by Floydian

No, it's not.

It's about a dream he had, after falling asleep, well after his trip (yeah, he did have a trip that day, and it may have influenced his dreams, but the song itself has nothing to do with LSD) was over.

Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds also has nothing to do with LSD.

Anyway, I doubt the strain is extinct. There's probably one or two old hippie growers on here just laughing and laughing at this thread, with a grow room full of purple haze somewhere in their house. But how much talk of strains was there in the 60s and 70s anyway? According to my own mother, no one gave a shit, bud was either good or not. So to me, it seems like there probably never even was just one specific strain called purple haze, maybe a few that were similar, and the remnants of which were named purple haze in a later decade.

Just my theory. But if it was/is good enough to warrant us to still be talking about it, why the hell isn't growing some new really dank purple shit and calling it purple haze? I mean, seriously... they should get on that... and then give me a few free samples...

I have to disagree with you. The Beatles themselves were very open to experimentation with LSD and Cannabis, hence LUCY in the SKY with DIAMONDS(obvious acronym: LSD). I wouldn't know about Hendrix, as I have never been an extremely big fan, but I know enough about marijuana genetics to know that the strain "purple haze" never existed in this sense. Yes, some strains of haze may be purple, but any strain of bud can be turned purple/blue (cold weather), so I don't think that this quality alone is enough to justify saying that "purple haze" ever existed in any sense other than that it was mentioned in a Hendrix song, and people assumed he was talking about pot. So no, purple haze has never existed as a strain of cannabis, unless it was literally.

It also occured to me mid-argument that no-one will probably ever know exactly what was meant by any of these songs, so this argument was pointless from the beginning, hah

[LegitBaller]

haha good point ^ they all are on heavy hallucinogens, only 1 can imagine.

[Stratus]

Didnt check all the replys so sorry if this has been posted, but from what Ive heard the "real" purple haze is completely purple from the leaves to the pistils, and is of course a haze. Ive heard that the original strain does exist (in clone form) and is still grown by very few people, making it hard to come by.

Edit: yea, the song purple haze was about a dream.

[Skr8Fiah]

There seems to be a lot of "I've heard" and "I think" posts and while they are appreciated I was wondering if anybody had any REAL information. We can all repeat what we've heard but all that means is that there is a common urban legend about a mystery strain called purple haze that is uber-dank and isn't around any more. Of course we can all speculate about what "might" be the case too...seems like something like this would have info somewhere on the net but doesn't look like it...I don't know...

[Floydian]

Originally Posted by toker2021

I have to disagree with you. The Beatles themselves were very open to experimentation with LSD and Cannabis, hence LUCY in the SKY with DIAMONDS(obvious acronym: LSD). I wouldn't know about Hendrix, as I have never been an extremely big fan, but I know enough about marijuana genetics to know that the strain "purple haze" never existed in this sense. Yes, some strains of haze may be purple, but any strain of bud can be turned purple/blue (cold weather), so I don't think that this quality alone is enough to justify saying that "purple haze" ever existed in any sense other than that it was mentioned in a Hendrix song, and people assumed he was talking about pot. So no, purple haze has never existed as a strain of cannabis, unless it was literally.

It also occured to me mid-argument that no-one will probably ever know exactly what was meant by any of these songs, so this argument was pointless from the beginning, hah

You want the real story?

John Lennon's son Julian gave him a picture that he had drawn, and basically said "Look Daddy, it's Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds!".

Don't believe me?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in..._with_Diamonds

According to the Beatles, one day in 1966 Lennon's son Julian came home from nursery school with a drawing he said was of his classmate, a girl named Lucy. Showing the artwork to his father, young Julian described the picture as "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds."

The lyrics of the song feature image-laden verses which present an overtly psychedelic travelogue describing a boat trip through a fantastical land of "cellophane flowers", "newspaper taxis" and "marshmallow pies" alternating with chorus sections which simply repeat the song's title. This, as well as the initials of the title (Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds) and the dreamlike-quality of the melody, has led many to speculate that the song was written in reference to LSD, a drug which Lennon in particular had been using heavily at the time. The Beatles have repeatedly denied that this is the case, however.

People, when I say something about music trivia... listen to me. Believe me, I know. I fucking hate it when everyone contributes every famous song from the 70's and 60's to some drug. Never the less mate, it's no problem, just a pet peeve of mine.

[Pfmohr1]

Originally Posted by ZerO Stay Tokin

i bet your on the east coast...

NY,Maine,Mass.,Pennsylvania,etc... will be flooded w/ purp.

Nope, Indiana actually... I definitely hope some of that east coast purp makes it's way back out here.

[bert_mcgirt]

Originally Posted by Floydian

You want the real story?

John Lennon's son Julian gave him a picture that he had drawn, and basically said "Look Daddy, it's Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds!".

Don't believe me?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in..._with_Diamonds



People, when I say something about music trivia... listen to me. Believe me, I know. I fucking hate it when everyone contributes every famous song from the 70's and 60's to some drug. Never the less mate, it's no problem, just a pet peeve of mine.

Heh, funny, I just read this earlier today:

In an interview published in this month's Uncut, Sir Paul admitted drugs "informed" much of the Beatles' music. He said the song Got To Get You Into My Life was "about pot - although everyone missed it at the time", and Day Tripper was "about acid".
He added it was "pretty obvious" that Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was inspired by LSD, and other songs made "subtle hints" about narcotics


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3769511.stm


I know Lennon says it was really about his son's drawing, but the acronym is just too obvious, especially when written by the same person who said "[LSD] went on for years. I must have had a thousand trips. I used to just eat it all the time."



sorry for threadjacking but I'm currently doing a research project on the Beatles and came across that earlier

[Floydian]

Originally Posted by bert_mcgirt

Heh, funny, I just read this earlier today:

In an interview published in this month's Uncut, Sir Paul admitted drugs "informed" much of the Beatles' music. He said the song Got To Get You Into My Life was "about pot - although everyone missed it at the time", and Day Tripper was "about acid".
He added it was "pretty obvious" that Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was inspired by LSD, and other songs made "subtle hints" about narcotics


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/3769511.stm


I know Lennon says it was really about his son's drawing, but the acronym is just too obvious, especially when written by the same person who said "[LSD] went on for years. I must have had a thousand trips. I used to just eat it all the time."



sorry for threadjacking but I'm currently doing a research project on the Beatles and came across that earlier

I don't care how obvious the acronym is, YES you'd have to be a fool to not notice the acronym, but it's irrelivant.

It's not like I just found this out by reading Wikipedia, it's just a fact that's been known by many people for a long time.

If ANYTHING, it's John's Word against Paul, and frankly I'd take John's any day. And Julian also personally has spoken of the incident, remembering the whole day almost for interviewers, etc.

Maybe some of the odd lyrics were indeed inspired by acid, but the song in no way is ABOUT acid and the name acronym is a total coincidence, unless little Julian thought of it himself.

Day Tripper is a little more obvious. But the majority of songs contributed to [without any proof]drugs or contributed to anything by popular belief really are quite often totally wrong...

Anyway, enough of that on this thread, it's about Purple Haze. So where the purp at?

[dankidydank]

^
yo dude, first of all i love wikipedia, but it isnt a reliable source. second i dont know the answer to the purple haze or the lucy in the sky questions either, but u shouldn't be so sure and maybe spend some time listening to some other ideas. just a suggestion

[JuicyJBB]

Originally Posted by Skr8Fiah

Recently I got some stuff from my friend who said it was "purple haze." The buds were slightly purple and it was dank as hell, whether or not it was really "purple haze" I do not know -- I mean when you buy "trainwreck" or "NYC diesel" or whatever from your dealer you really have no way of verifying what strain it actually is, but everyone will agree that trainwreck, diesel, etc all EXIST.

See when I told my friends I got purple haze they were all like "its not real purple haze, real purple haze doesn't exist" and "it may be purple and it may be haze, but its not the Original 1972 Purple Haze" like it was some kind of regulated product or something. When I asked them to explain why they think it doesn't exist they are just like "well, there's like no way it can" and don't really have anything to back it up. I've seen people on GC say the same thing about purple haze not existing.

What I want to know is WHY people say it doesn't exist? I mean there definately is haze, and you can definately have haze that is purple in color (either through growing techniques or strain). Why is this haze with the purple color not allowed to be called "purple haze"? Since when do people know/care about the ORIGINAL strain or whatever? I mean maybe the ORIGINAL kush has died out, but you can still get kush and you can call it kush and people aren't like OMG YOU ARE RETARDED LOLOLOL.

Anyways I guess I'm just trying to open the topic up for debate. Why do people say purple haze doesn't exist? Please back up your opinion with sources/real evidence no "OMG PURPLE HAZE IS FAKE ROFL" posts.

Thanks.

Fuck anybody who calls you retarded just because you misname something.

Purple Haze isn't the same thing as a haze that is purple.

[Budder81]

Yeah people debate about species of animals just the same. NONE of us can actually tell what's what. I think only a botanist could tell us what is really up. And from what I can tell, not many legitimate botanists on this site, I'm sure there are, but not a lot.

So where's the botanists?

I have had haze a few times, eveytime it was always the same despite different connects. Really fluffy, 1/8ths look like 1/4s. And crystals explode like shrapnel when you break a nug open.

[JuicyJBB]

Originally Posted by 4:21

I feel either that
-the real purple haze exists because it hads been continously cultivated since the 60's
Or that
-the real purple haze is a combination of the two strains haze and purple mixed

I dont know what to think
Or maybe im just blazin'

Not true, if that was the case it would be a lot easier to recreate the strain.

Originally Posted by Shrum

Everytime a plant mixes its genetics with another plant, its genetics change, and therefore its strain-name or whatever can change because the resulting weed will be different than the first two but have characteristcs of both. The bloodline thing was a good example. Simple highschool biology here guys. Anyway, PH was one of the first strains created in holland back in the 60's when growers started crossing strains, along with bluberry, Northern lights, and some others others (bubblegum maybe). This was before the time of seed companies, mass knowelege of pot genetics and worldwide seed distribution. So PH and a few others got lost in the transition from basement experementation to factory production. Luckly bluberry and the others werent lost and they were mixed to give us all of the wonderful strains we smoke today. So yeah TRUE PH is extinct unless some hippy still has some old seeds layin around or is holding out on everyone else with a secret grow over the years. If your pot is purple, it probably comes from blueberry genetics (which is bomb) or it went through a freeze. But whatever about colors, purple will get you just as high as green, its the sticky trichomes that matter

http://forum.grasscity.com/recreatio...fo-inside.html

Damn.

[Horus XCIII]

Originally Posted by Skr8Fiah

Recently I got some stuff from my friend who said it was "purple haze." The buds were slightly purple and it was dank as hell, whether or not it was really "purple haze" I do not know -- I mean when you buy "trainwreck" or "NYC diesel" or whatever from your dealer you really have no way of verifying what strain it actually is, but everyone will agree that trainwreck, diesel, etc all EXIST.

See when I told my friends I got purple haze they were all like "its not real purple haze, real purple haze doesn't exist" and "it may be purple and it may be haze, but its not the Original 1972 Purple Haze" like it was some kind of regulated product or something. When I asked them to explain why they think it doesn't exist they are just like "well, there's like no way it can" and don't really have anything to back it up. I've seen people on GC say the same thing about purple haze not existing.

What I want to know is WHY people say it doesn't exist? I mean there definately is haze, and you can definately have haze that is purple in color (either through growing techniques or strain). Why is this haze with the purple color not allowed to be called "purple haze"? Since when do people know/care about the ORIGINAL strain or whatever? I mean maybe the ORIGINAL kush has died out, but you can still get kush and you can call it kush and people aren't like OMG YOU ARE RETARDED LOLOLOL.

Anyways I guess I'm just trying to open the topic up for debate. Why do people say purple haze doesn't exist? Please back up your opinion with sources/real evidence no "OMG PURPLE HAZE IS FAKE ROFL" posts.

Thanks.

Because people repeat everything they hear.

It's not like it matters. If the dealer says "this stuff's purple haze" and it's worth what I paid, I'm happy. I don't give a fuck if it's the Purple Haze from the 70s or if its *real* name is Sour Melon or whatever you want to call it. It's just a goddamn name that happens to also be a song. For some reason people think it must be the best shit in the world because it's named after a Jimi Hendrix song.

Seriously do you guys *really* think Purple Haze is an original name? How clever do you have to be to grow some dank purple weed and name it Purple Haze. I bet you there are dozens of separate strains that the creators decided to call Purple Haze. Just because it's not the "first" doesn't make a fucking difference. If it gets you high . . .

[Horus XCIII]

Originally Posted by LegitBaller

heres the legit answer, the real purple haze, a very potent strain most popular during the 60s or 70s, is extinct. u can never get 100 percent purple haze, however, there are clones, and im sure some seeeds are true purple haze x ( whatever )
that being said, in todays world if someone says they have purple haze, it could BE a clone/clippin/seed of the original purp haze, but most likely, its not even that....
100 percent purp haze = extinct
clones/ hybrids = 95 percent extinct... so if u do get lucky and somehow find a legit clone ( most likely from a club or grower from the 70's ) then salud for findin that.

all that being said, u can have a normal strand of haze, turn purple....which is then labeled purple haze, but is in no way even closely remote to the original in terms of thc %, cnb ratio, smell, etc

People did not keep clones in the '70s, or at least it wasn't common at all. There never was an "official" purple haze, its genetics changed every season based on the Haze Brother's whims.

[gorillagrower]

if you click the following link, you can see one of the original strains of purple haze. just search (CTRL+F) for "echte purple haze". This beautiful lady gets to live between 19 and 23 weeks.

http://www.wietforum.nl/index.php?sh...4&#entry338004

grtz from belgium

gorillagrower