How I beat my charges!

Originally Posted by bonbonbondia

The tactics he is talking about are not something you are going to learn in law school. This is a common tactic by contitutionalists that are fighting for our freedoms by using the system against itself.

I have had it explained to me a few times by people much more knowledgeable that have taken the same approach in traffic court, tax court, etc. But I don't understand it enough to use/explain it myself. I prefer to remain under their radar.... But it is legitimate, you should search around abit on google.

I've seen hundreds of marijuana cases, and worked with many intelligent criminal defense lawyers. Apparently this tactic works so well, but no one uses it. Strange.

[bigfatpothead]

I ALWAYS have lots of pot!!!!!

over 8 oz in KY is a felony

I have beaten 15 cases this way, I am here to teach other people how to do it.
Lawyers won't do this, because they are officers of the court, the only way it works is if you are the "belligerent Claimant in person".
When Jack Herer wrote the Emperor, everyone said he was crazy, that marijuana can't save the world, but now almost everyone agrees that pot could save the world!

People always ask me to show proof in the form of "caselaw" but that does not exist because these cases all get dismissed. My partner and I have tailored these documents to make it as easy as humanly possible for the Honorable Potheads to use. and we have a support network to help people who decide to use the program, just join the google group and you can get help filling in the blanks on the paperwork.
it is all free!
They always tell us that "ignorance" of the law is no excuse.
Learn all you can about the EMERGENCY POWERS of the United States.
Read the appeals document it will teach you a lot, especially if you are a law student.

Rev. Roland A. Duby

Originally Posted by UrbanAchiever

This is just ridiculous. This is the third time I have asked my question, and you still have not answered it. How did you get indicted for possession?

Also, you absolutely can be persecuted for your religious beliefs in America as per the Supreme Courts decision in Oregon v. Smith. It is important to note that the Court effectively ruled that the Free Exercise Clause of the Constitution is null and void and does not apply to laws which are aimed at general behavior rather than at specific religions. Thus, the government can make general laws which can have the effect of persecuting someone because of their religious beliefs. For example, many Native American religions require the ingestion of peyote. The law against peyote was created, in part to stop this practice. Laws have been created to prevent the slaughter of chickens for religious purpose, which occurs in the Santeria religion.

As a law student, I realize that you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about, and it is a shame that you're spreading false information. In fact, you sound like you have a screw loose.

[insanoweird]

metalace?

[tsarone]

Originally Posted by bigfatpothead

I ALWAYS have lots of pot!!!!!

over 8 oz in KY is a felony

I have beaten 15 cases this way, I am here to teach other people how to do it.
Lawyers won't do this, because they are officers of the court, the only way it works is if you are the "belligerent Claimant in person".
When Jack Herer wrote the Emperor, everyone said he was crazy, that marijuana can't save the world, but now almost everyone agrees that pot could save the world!

People always ask me to show proof in the form of "caselaw" but that does not exist because these cases all get dismissed. My partner and I have tailored these documents to make it as easy as humanly possible for the Honorable Potheads to use. and we have a support network to help people who decide to use the program, just join the google group and you can get help filling in the blanks on the paperwork.
it is all free!
They always tell us that "ignorance" of the law is no excuse.
Learn all you can about the EMERGENCY POWERS of the United States.
Read the appeals document it will teach you a lot, especially if you are a law student.

Rev. Roland A. Duby

15 cases? I'm impressed. And i think you might be the only reverend on here (I assume you are)

[ipack]

Originally Posted by insanoweird

metalace?

holy fuck dude, i almost shit myself laughing.. nice one

[junkiedays]

Any one else getting the kind of vibes from this thread?


Maybe I'll instead...

[Gatson]

Originally Posted by bigfatpothead

I ALWAYS have lots of pot!!!!!

over 8 oz in KY is a felony

I have beaten 15 cases this way, I am here to teach other people how to do it.
Lawyers won't do this, because they are officers of the court, the only way it works is if you are the "belligerent Claimant in person".
When Jack Herer wrote the Emperor, everyone said he was crazy, that marijuana can't save the world, but now almost everyone agrees that pot could save the world!

People always ask me to show proof in the form of "caselaw" but that does not exist because these cases all get dismissed. My partner and I have tailored these documents to make it as easy as humanly possible for the Honorable Potheads to use. and we have a support network to help people who decide to use the program, just join the google group and you can get help filling in the blanks on the paperwork.
it is all free!
They always tell us that "ignorance" of the law is no excuse.
Learn all you can about the EMERGENCY POWERS of the United States.
Read the appeals document it will teach you a lot, especially if you are a law student.

Rev. Roland A. Duby

Lawyers are officers of whoever pays them. If you're paying a lawyer and you tell him to do something, he is actually required by law to do it. Unless he realizes the naivety behind it all...then he'd probably just quit on your case because he wouldn't want to get embarassed in public court.

[bigfatpothead]

If they even helped someone do this defense, they would get "Disbarred"

Keep in mind, we are not forcing anyone to do this.
We have done it and it works, but I would never tell someone what to do.
People have to decide for themselves. Unfortunately it is hard to be free in America.

Everytime I hired a lawyer, I got screwed! I knew I had to learn to do it myself.
I certainly am not giving up pot , it is my spiritual salvation, without it I would not have known God personally.

I will no longer be persecuted for my beliefs, I am now able to beat the system.

I have made the information available for free for everyone to use.

You can debate back and forth about whether or not this works, but I can tell you it does, from personal experience.

If you are like me and get busted with pot a lot because you are just a blatant pot smoker. Give it a shot with a joint, go get busted and try our program.
If you lose I will give you your joint back.

Heck I will get popped myself if someone wants to video tape the whole process.

Love
Rev. Roland A. Duby
http://www.brothersformercy.org

Originally Posted by Gatson

Lawyers are officers of whoever pays them. If you're paying a lawyer and you tell him to do something, he is actually required by law to do it. Unless he realizes the naivety behind it all...then he'd probably just quit on your case because he wouldn't want to get embarassed in public court.

[GotoAKellerShow]

Well first Id like to thank you for the advice...

Im inquiring about this whole process because it seems alittle more complicated then your first post's story. All these documents that need to be filed before the court date are pretty confusing. Ill try to make a scenario for you..

Ok so lets say i get arrested for a misdemeanor/felony possession charge(or does this only apply to felonys?). I make sure the officer marks down How im using cannabis as part of my religion. Then I bail myself out.
Now i need to fill out the Demand for the Bill of Particulars and a Affidavit which supports the Demand for Bill of Particulars. Is the Demand for the bill of particulars and the Affidavit provided on the brothersformercy site or do i need to find them at my local courthouse?

After those are filled out I file them somewhere at my courthouse and have the clerk

make 3 certified copys of each the Demand and the Affidavit. NOW, I then have someone

else bring the original to the prosecuting Attorney's office, according to the instructions

on your website. Then it says to serve another certified copy of each upon the Prosecuting

Attorney handling the case, is that the same office or two different places? So after all

those are filed I then need to fill out a motion to Quash the Indictment, to present in

court.

Im just confused about all the paperwork that needs to be filed before I can say "Your Honor, I am here on a special appearance to get an answer from the prosecutor on my Demand, I would like a continuance so that he may have time to answer."

Also what happens if the prosecuter answers my demand and provides you with sufficient information to be able to understand the nature as well as the cause of the accusation. Although im sure they would never do that becuase of how unorganized and busy they are.

Thanks again man. I will definatly be trying this tactic when the inevitable happens. Im not afriad to face the judges and prosecuters in my area, shit i know personally most of them get more fucked up then I do.
Like you I dont see the point in paying a lawyer to get my fines lowered. And im pending approval for the google group, im sure that group will clear alot up for me.

Oh and Ill gladly video tape you doing this whole process.

Take it easy

[primetime21335]

watsup roland, you that comedian cat on youtube? it's genious man, how can you fail at stand up comedy when you're making jokes to people who are stoned?

Anyways, this sounds extremely complicated. And are you telling me I have to sign up to view this information?

[Jpecard]

you're pretty much lying though. if for some reason they hooked you up to a lie detector to test your "religious beliefs" you'd be fucked.

now i know that way back in the day tribes used to burn bud in fires and just sit around it, but those were tribal days. We're in the present day now, where anyone with half a brain knows that religious orders don't do that shit anymore.

you're trying to use religion as a cover up, and ultimately lying, which is a sin, which goes against God. and that's not religious at all, now is it?

bud laws are bullshit, but i dont think this the best idea

[bigfatpothead]

after you bail out,
1st: complete the Demand for a Bill of Particulars and sign it. (onwebsite)
2nd: Fill out an affidavit in support of Bill of Particulars.(on website)
3rd: print out all of the exhibits (good idea to print out 3 sets so the clerk don't get to busy) have the clerk provide you with copies of the Bill of Particulars and the affidavit.

4th: file one copy in the case with the court clerk.
5th: pay the sheriffs dept or a professional server to serve the original on the DA.
6th: certify mail a copy to the prosecutor in the case.

7th: arraignment day; the judge will read the charges and ask if you understand, you will tell the judge "no, that is why I am here on special appearance to get an answer from the prosecutor so that I may understand the charges. I would ask the court to please continue the case for 30 days so the prosecutor may have time?"

NOW at this point the judge will probably ask you to enter a plea, anytime the judge asks you to plea you must say "Your honor, I am here on special appearance, I am unprepared to enter a plea at this time"
The judge will probably enter a plea for you at this time, and continue the case.
THIS IS A TRICK, the judge has no authority to act in your behalf without your express consent. so immediatly after court go directly to the clerk and file a "denial of plea" there are 3 of these on our website, pick the one that fits your situation and file it immediately, have one of each ready to file just in case.

8th: next court date will be a repeat up to the point where the prosecutor has not answered the demand; the judge will read the charges and ask if you understand, you will tell the judge "no, that is why I am here on special appearance to get an answer from the prosecutor so that I may understand the charges.(look at the prosecutor) Does the prosecutor have an answer to the demand?" if he says no then hand the judge and the prosecutor each an original motion to quash (from the website).

The case should be dismissed at this point but if not, you will be put through a trial and during the entire trial you should keep mentioning to the jury about freedom of religion and submit evidence to the jury of other religions that use drugs far more dangerous than marijuana.

But, with all of our exhibits entered as evidence there is no way that a court is going to prosecute this case. If they do we have all the appeal paperwork which should be filed immediatley after any ruling other than a dismissal.
every action the judge makes should be appealed.
We have a google group for anyone who gets busted to have step by step help in filling out the forms and looking up your local state constitution sections.

I reccomend that anyone who does this understands exactly what is happening.
We are challenging the martial law rule and trying our best to stay out of court for the charges, and going to court only on special appearance, learn the difference between the general appearance and special apearance.

I hope this helps and please ask any hypotheticals you can?

Roland A. Duby

PS

I do sincerely believe that marijuana is the tree of life in the bible,
I also believe that Jesus was anointed with oil made with hash oil cinamon and myrrh.

Originally Posted by GotoAKellerShow

Well first Id like to thank you for the advice...

Im inquiring about this whole process because it seems alittle more complicated then your first post's story. All these documents that need to be filed before the court date are pretty confusing. Ill try to make a scenario for you..

Ok so lets say i get arrested for a misdemeanor/felony possession charge(or does this only apply to felonys?). I make sure the officer marks down How im using cannabis as part of my religion. Then I bail myself out.
Now i need to fill out the Demand for the Bill of Particulars and a Affidavit which supports the Demand for Bill of Particulars. Is the Demand for the bill of particulars and the Affidavit provided on the brothersformercy site or do i need to find them at my local courthouse?

After those are filled out I file them somewhere at my courthouse and have the clerk

make 3 certified copys of each the Demand and the Affidavit. NOW, I then have someone

else bring the original to the prosecuting Attorney's office, according to the instructions

on your website. Then it says to serve another certified copy of each upon the Prosecuting

Attorney handling the case, is that the same office or two different places? So after all

those are filed I then need to fill out a motion to Quash the Indictment, to present in

court.

Im just confused about all the paperwork that needs to be filed before I can say "Your Honor, I am here on a special appearance to get an answer from the prosecutor on my Demand, I would like a continuance so that he may have time to answer."

Also what happens if the prosecuter answers my demand and provides you with sufficient information to be able to understand the nature as well as the cause of the accusation. Although im sure they would never do that becuase of how unorganized and busy they are.

Thanks again man. I will definatly be trying this tactic when the inevitable happens. Im not afriad to face the judges and prosecuters in my area, shit i know personally most of them get more fucked up then I do.
Like you I dont see the point in paying a lawyer to get my fines lowered. And im pending approval for the google group, im sure that group will clear alot up for me.

Oh and Ill gladly video tape you doing this whole process.

Take it easy

[Astrovan]

Originally Posted by Jpecard

you're trying to use religion as a cover up, and ultimately lying, which is a sin, which goes against God. and that's not religious at all, now is it?

Why does it have to be a cover up? Religions have (and continue to still do so, despite what you may think) and most likely always will continue to incorporate psychoactive substances in their rituals. Again, if you dont believe me, look up the Rastafarian movement and learn something.

Furthermore, maybe lying is a "sin" which goes against YOUR "God", but your God is not everyone elses God. Once you learn that you will have taken the first step in becoming a better person.

[bommer09]

This all fine and all but you can't expect us to believe that your name is Roland A. Duby. Come on now, Rollin a doobie!

[JWZZR]

Originally Posted by Jpecard

you're pretty much lying though. if for some reason they hooked you up to a lie detector to test your "religious beliefs" you'd be fucked.

now i know that way back in the day tribes used to burn bud in fires and just sit around it, but those were tribal days. We're in the present day now, where anyone with half a brain knows that religious orders don't do that shit anymore.

you're trying to use religion as a cover up, and ultimately lying, which is a sin, which goes against God. and that's not religious at all, now is it?

bud laws are bullshit, but i dont think this the best idea

a lie detector test dose not work in court