my main dilema these days......

[Digit]

[edited-in second optional preface}~ it might seem completely irrelevant to this thread, but what the heck, it might really help you: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ogID=346108840
[editted-in preface]~ please dont respond to just the original post. read on a little bit first. it will save us alot of repetition, and your questions or points may already be answered or muted/nulified if you read on.... you might even pick up a few pieces of really useful information to augment your lives with. also, please be familiar with this symbol " ? ". it means it's a question, not a statement. that said, My main DILEMMA these days is.....


food.


or rather,


not-food.



i'm now conscious of what i put in my body and the cumulative effects of stuff.
i'm vigilant on the labels, and generally take a mix of advice from Ayurveda (MOST RECCOMENDED), eating for your blood-type (once i find out which mine is), eating as per your geographical location, and the best advice, just eating what you feel like from a healthy selection of natural foods.
i look into what some of the stuff they add to food is all about.... and even if its some lie that these things are bad for you (honestly though, what reason is there for going to such lengths to lie about this stuff), then it's still wise to er on the side of caution and just not take them in.

well... here's where the dilema lives...

the worst things, i know will rot your brain, shaft your natural defences, cause addictions, and all sorts of nasty shit like that.... and although i'm not eating this crap anymore... the people around me, the people i live with... still do... and i see them deteriorating. its really upseting, watching people harm themselves. i've told them, i've advised them, i've reasoned with them..... but they remain "blissfully" ignorant. is it because their brains have already been rotted away sufficiently so as to prevent them from taking in details? do i need to use techniques to get them to emotionally understand rather than intelectually? do i need to scream it to all three parts of their brain at once like the mind controllers on tv do all the time? i'd rather not stoop to intentional manipulations. i liked the notion that we all had functional rational minds that could take in information however it was presented and make informed choices for myself.... but still.... they eat that crap thats fucking them over....


and the dilema very succinctly is.....

should i just constantly dump all the food that is bad for them until they get the message, i will bear the brunt of their hate until they realise it is for their own good? i imagine i will be risking violence upon my person for this... but see little other recourse to save them and what chance they have of having a functioning brain in 20 years time.



should i start dumping nearly everything in the house, at least the stuff that contains aspartame and ascesulfame k?




maybe once i am earnin enough to replace it all......


hurts to see it.

[Rhythm of Life]

You should let them live their lives. I say this because you wish the same freedom to live your own. You have told them the facts and yet they still do not want to change. It is up to them to realize the damaging effects that the food they digest lay upon their bodies. Respect their wishes and sooner or later they will come around.

[Tokkin4Life]

man seriously if you lived with me and tried to do that ide prolly punch you in the head. you say you understand youll probably come to physical harm. if you did it to me a 2nd time and i was baked getting some food, you wouldnt live for a 3rd time. Its there lives, you cant make there decisions for them.

[HighDave]

Eat or don't eat what you want or don't want to.
Who the fuck do you think you are to throw away something that belongs to someone else?
You can't make other people do what you want them to do,,,at least not in my world.
.....Opinions Vary......

[Hero407]

I'm about to tie the OP down and feed him McDonalds for a month. How you like them burgers vega(y)n?!

[meshugas]

wow, a lot of hate about this subject.

I'd say...definitely don't throw their food away but just try to educate them. show them how much better you feel now that you eat healthy. I know when I used to eat junk food all the time I felt awful...and once I started eating healthy...I felt a ton better. Just show them healthy food doesn't have to taste gross and that it benefits them greatly.

[SlimPickins]

Originally Posted by Digit

should i just constantly dump all the food that is bad for them until they get the message, i will bear the brunt of their hate until they realise it is for their own good?

Only if you march around with a swastika on your arm.

[Digit]

Originally Posted by Rhythm of Life

You should let them live their lives. I say this because you wish the same freedom to live your own.

nah man, if someone saw me doing some stupid shit that was harming me but i didnt know it was harming me, i'd want them to do whatever it was to save me. for one example, i get my friends to punch me in the face everytime i smoke tobacco, because with my medical conditions that shit will kill me faster than it kills most people (still slow enough to be a slow torturous death though). if only they'd have the balls to realize i'm serious about being punched in the face.

You have told them the facts and yet they still do not want to change.

because their brains have rotted and have been conditioned beyond being able to take in details.

It is up to them to realize the damaging effects that the food they digest lay upon their bodies.

how can they? they are suffering brain damage, i doubt they have the capacity to make sound judgments on this as it requires synthesis of new information, which is among the first to go it would seem from brain rot.

Respect their wishes and sooner or later they will come around.

i doubt it's their wish.




to what everyone else said.....

i think you are somewhat missing the point everyone.

ASPATARTAME!


ASS PAR TAAAAAAME!









how many of you read labels? have you been consuming this shit that makes you thick as shit???



dont ya just love that dick^ >



damnit! i thought this was gonna be a report that would show i wasnt showing a one sided story.





worthy posting twice incase one gets taken down.



are you guys starting to get the point? or do i need to make another post with another dozen public health videos created by concerned citizens?

i'm not keen on repetition... but if you're ability to form new connections in the brain has been impaired (which it only takes consumption of once to do) then saying to look it up for yourself that your life may be in danger is not really gonna work is it.

many times i'm blown away by my parent's inability to use even a moderate amount of logic to fathom simplicities i know they can easily handle.... used to be able to handle easily.

so really....

i should be dumping this shit shouldnt i.

all the msg crap as well. thats a whole range of e numbers in the 600s. its not just one chemical.



anyone know any tips for reversing the damage done by aspartame and ascesulfame k?

there's gotta be a way of clearing it outta the brain, and repairing the damage.

[Digit]

Originally Posted by SlimPickins

Only if you march around with a swastika on your arm.

that's actually quite funny given that the folks who put the shit in our food in the first place have very strong ties with the nazis.

for example...

did you know prescot bush, george seniors daddy, and george juniors grandaddy was the NUMBER ONE contributer of all the nazi's industrial materials (wire, pipes, steal, explosives, etc, etc) during ww2?

hmm, surely if i were a nazi, a totalitarian, a fascist, then i too would want the populace dumbed down and easy to control. ... wouldnt i. :/

instead... i have a dilema!


"What good fortune for governments that the people do not think."

-Adolf Hitler. ...




think on.

[Shooter McGavin]

EDIT:
Digit-
I watched all the videos, very interesting stuff. I have been trying to change what I eat and drink for awhile now, and this just gives me even better reason to.

I do have a couple of questions though...

1) Sounds like aspartame is pretty common in drinks. Do you have to pretty much only drink water?

2) Do you avoid all fast food?

3) What are the main things you look for on a label to avoid?

I have a few others but can't remember them at the time, if I think of them, I'll post em.

[Rhythm of Life]

Now I'm begining to understand more over your situtation. I still say you don't throw away their food. But show them the videos with other people that you know that are health concious like you. Aspertame causes cancer and that is no good. Try making a intervention where they will be forced to realize the results of their eating said foods. Food can be like heroin in the way you don't know how bad it is until someone shows you.

[3rr0r]

Aspartame does not rot your brain making you unable to "take in details" and reason. That just shows a misunderstanding of how the brain works.

[tylerc]

If you want the freedom to ingest carcinogenic smoke from cigarettes and smoke an illegal substance, give everyone else the same freedom to ingest what they want. Especially with your condition (whatever it is, possibly asthma?), you have NO ROOM to bitch at anyone else about what they put in their bodies.

Of all people, I thought smokers were the one that were the most "hey, your life, live it how you want, I'm living mine how I want" of them all.

People telling others what to do with their bodies just pisses me off beyond belief. Yes, I smoke cigarettes from time to time. I smoke bud a couple times a week. I also drink alcohol a couple times a week. Go ahead and tell me how this affects you? Oh, that's right, it doesn't. Same goes for what your friends eat.

[Digit]

Originally Posted by Shooter McGavin

EDIT:
Digit-
I watched all the videos, very interesting stuff. I have been trying to change what I eat and drink for awhile now, and this just gives me even better reason to.

I do have a couple of questions though...

1) Sounds like aspartame is pretty common in drinks. Do you have to pretty much only drink water?

yeah, but fuck tap water, that shit tastes crap and gies water a bad name. as soon as your savings jar is full enough, buy yourself a water filter, or better yet, a reverse osmosis machine (which althoguh higher initial outlay, saves you money in long run as doesnt require replacement filters for aaaaages more). and pure water tastes suhweeeeet! though most people havnt a clue how tasty water really is. its not just the crap that comes from the pipes, its the flouride and chlorine and other shit they put in it.
back when i was livin in my old place before they kicked me out for cultivating medicine, i lived with a guy who had access to a reverse osmosis water purifier at work and a tester. our water had over 400 parts per million of "not water". at his work just down the street it was over 600 parts per million not water. after running it through the reverse osmosis machine, it was 4 parts per million not water. we bought a couple 5L spring water bottles and would wander along the street with the pure water... prolly what made the cops think we had a commercial op on the go now i think about it, lol.
edit~ SMOOOOOOTHIES! yeah.

2) Do you avoid all fast food?

naaah. i make food real fast. really tasty too.

... OH! you ment the crap from places like McDs... nah, fuck that shit. its barely food at all. havnt u seen "Supersize Me"?

3) What are the main things you look for on a label to avoid?

aspartame & ascesulfame K.

anything that says "partially hydrogenated" "partially inverted" or "inverted".
there's two types of fat, and you need them in equal measure. saturated and not saturated. the extra freak you dont want is the "trans" fats. they bind to your cells like one type but dont behave like it on the other end of the molecule, thus inhibiting your cells ability to comunicate with the other cells in your body.

anything "e numbers". i know some are actually ok, but we're probably talking like 4% of them, so just run away from them all unless u wanna carry a book sized list with you when shopping to know what they are. idk if they have e numbers that side of the pond.
me personally, i cant go near e150d now unless i wanna risk getting hooked again, and i'm still recovering from the damage from dr p even though i've been off it for years.

"flavourings". seriously. i know that cuts out alot. if they dont tell you what they are, its likely for more reasons than lazyness or trade secrets of granny's recepie.

caffeine... life really does just get so much better when you scrap the "fake-awake".

alcohol... k, i realise this is an unpopular one. if you feel you must drink it, do so in moderation adn follow these tips to: avoid all wines that say in small print on the label "contains sulphites" (that goes for dried fruit too), even though this will add a couple extra quid/bucks, its SOOO worth it. tastes WAY better, and less hangover. sulphites do nasty shit to you i aint even gonna go into. ideally, if you wanna drink alcohol.... MAKE YOUR OWN! go buy a beer kit and do it propperly. do you have any idea how much you save!??? we're talking pints for cheaper than polish prices!!! and if you've been to poland... you know thats FUCKING cheap. also.... alcohol escapes the labeling regs of food. YOU JUST DONT KNOW WHATS IN IT!!!!

sugar. SUGAR TOO!??!? yup. if fucks with your imune system. if u got a sweet tooth, then learn where the natural sweetness is. honey is your first stop. it actually augments your imune system rather than acting like taking a scouring brush to it. but go easy on it, you can over do it. start getting handy with the search engines to learn more.
educate yourself so you may educate others.

red meat... i know this is a tough addiction to beat. but it's well worth it, for the sake of both your brain and bowels.

factory chicken that's anything but free range. they put antibiotics in them constantly and are ever upping the dose and types to deal with all the super bugs the chicks get. this can have very serious consequences for your ability to fight of disease, and not just you personally, this very directly ripples out to everyone each time you buy. not to mention all the hate and cruelty you'd be ingesting. you are what you eat. lol.

tuna and farmed salmon. i only just recently heard about the tuna... aparently high levels of mercury. the salmon is a different story. i know guys who work at the farms.... you know that lovely pink salmon is .... in nature, thats from eating prawns (yummy), but in farms, its from eating chemical dye thats known to cause cancer... not just in you, butt he fish... they chuck away loads with rediculous amounts of massive tumours.

up to you how many of those you take on board.

i reccomend paying attention to the one's that can save your brain first, so you can make your own mind up on the rest later.

I have a few others but can't remember them at the time, if I think of them, I'll post em.

please do. it might just save someone's life or two or a million. ripples.

[Shooter McGavin]

Digit-
Thanks for the great answer, I'd plus rep you if I could.
That info will be a great start, and it actually doesn't look like it will be too hard to do (other than the red meat)

I'll definetly do some research on my own about the topic but I figured since you seemed to know about it and I knew nothing about it, this thread would be a good place to start.

Thanks!