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Why is the government even in charge of security for our airports? They have better utter failures at just about everything...

I was reminded of an old Ron Paul article with all this nonsense going on now in the news:

The Lessons of 9/11 by Rep. Ron Paul

...There are two other lessons that must be learned if we hope to benefit by studying and trying to explain the disaster that hit us on 9/11. If we fail to learn them, we cannot be made safer and the opposite is more likely to occur.

The first point is to understand who assumes most of the responsibility for the security of our homes and businesses in a free society. It’s not the police. There are too few of them, and it’s not their job to stand guard outside our houses or places of business. More crime occurs in the inner city, where there are not only more police, but more restrictions on property owners’ rights to bear and use weapons if invaded by hoodlums. In safer rural areas, where every home has a gun and someone in it who is willing to use it is, there is no false dependency on the police protecting them, but full reliance on the owner’s responsibility to deal with any property violators. This understanding works rather well – at least better than in the inner cities where the understanding is totally different.

How does this apply to the 9/11 tragedies? The airline owners accepted the rules of the inner city rather than those of rural America. They all assumed that the government was in charge of airline security – and unfortunately, by law, it was. Not only were the airlines complacent about security, but the FAA dictated all the rules relating to potential hijacking. Chemical plants or armored truck companies that carry money make the opposite assumption, and private guns do a reasonably good job in providing security. Evidently we think more of our money and chemical plants than we do our passengers on airplanes.

The complacency of the airlines is one thing, but the intrusiveness of the FAA is another. Two specific regulations proved to be disastrous for dealing with the thugs who, without even a single gun, took over four airliners and created the havoc of 9/11. Both the prohibition against guns in cockpits and precise instructions that crews not resist hijackers contributed immensely to the horrors of 9/11.

Instead of immediately legalizing a natural right of personal self-defense guaranteed by an explicit Second Amendment freedom, we still do not have armed pilots in the sky. Instead of more responsibility being given to the airlines, the government has taken over the entire process. This has been encouraged by the airline owners, who seek subsidies and insurance protection. Of course, the nonsense of never resisting has been forever vetoed by all passengers.

Unfortunately, the biggest failure of our government will be ignored. I’m sure the Commission will not connect our foreign policy of interventionism – practiced by both major parties for over a hundred years – as an important reason 9/11 occurred. Instead, the claims will stand that the motivation behind 9/11 was our freedom, prosperity, and way of life. If this error persists, all the tinkering and money to improve the intelligence agencies will bear little fruit.

Over the years the entire psychology of national defense has been completely twisted. Very little attention had been directed toward protecting our national borders and providing homeland security.

Our attention, all too often, was and still is directed outward toward distant lands. Now a significant number of our troops are engaged in Afghanistan and Iraq. We’ve kept troops in Korea for over 50 years, and thousands of troops remain in Europe and in over 130 other countries. This twisted philosophy of ignoring national borders while pursuing an empire created a situation where Seoul, Korea, was better protected than Washington, DC, on 9/11. These priorities must change, but I’m certain the 9/11 Commission will not address this issue...


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(2004) Ron Paul Discusses the 9/11 Report & other Issues

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt64PwS5WTg]YouTube - More Secrets, More Surveillance, Less Security[/ame]

[ame=http://www.livevideo.com/video/ConspiracyCentral/8597403EC7E240D1B17A1B8B7F1F31F8/ron-paul-to-rudy-read-the-9-1.aspx]Ron Paul to Rudy "Read the 9/11 Report!" - Ron Paul on CNN - Channel: ConspiracyCentral on LiveVideo.com[/ame]

1998 -
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hJTisovvjc]YouTube - Ron Paul Predicted 9/11 a Decade Ago!!!!!!!!!!!![/ame]

Current-
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni4GVWvT2Zs]YouTube - Fmr Asst TSA Admin - checkpoints violate 4th amendment[/ame]

Current headlines:

TSA to investigate Oceanside man ejected from airport, may prosecute - SignOnSanDiego.com

TSA: Despite objections, all passengers must be screened - CNN.com

Full Frontal Nudity Doesn’t Make Us Safer: Abolish the TSA - Art Carden - The Economic Imagination - Forbes

U.S. officials defend new airport screening procedures | Reuters

Hearings - U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, & Transportation

Napolitano: Scanners are safe, pat-downs discreet - USATODAY.com

Backlash Over New Body Scanners « CBS Philly – News, Sports, Weather, Traffic and the Best of Philadelphia

What say YOU?
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Edited by Durchii, 07 August 2011 - 03:21 AM.


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3rd video is good and I liked that Forbes article.

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If you'll recall, government run air port security was implemented immediately after 911. Almost as if this is what they had in mind all along. :rolleyes:

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Even if it was committed by Islamic radicals and not an inside job per se, 9-11 has been used as part of a psy-ops program by the Military Industrial Complex to keep the war bucks flowing.

Airport security is like maintenance drugs for that psy-op. It's just there to keep 9-11 fresh in our minds.

If they don't change it up from time to time - new procedures, new equipment, new restrictions to carry-ons - then it all becomes rote and fades from our consciousness.

It's just a facade anyway. Do you really think that if they got past the FBI and the CIA and the last thing standing between the terrorists and another 9-11 was the minimum wage TSA worker with a GED and a superiority complex, that it would be stopped?

Unlikely.
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It's just a facade anyway. Do you really think that if they got past the FBI and the CIA and the last thing standing between the terrorists and another 9-11 was the minimum wage TSA worker with a GED and a superiority complex, that it would be stopped?

Unlikely.


This is what I don't get... I mean it isn't even screening everyone. I flew earlier in September and they already had these guys in Thurgood Marshall. I remember thinking that I didn't go through the new scanner, what if I had a bomb? Are they seriously scanning people in the nude for a chance at random to catch someone? Security has to be more than random chance...

Not that I want more security at air ports, I just imagine if you were going to do it to actually protect people it wouldn't be at random. The only way I honestly think this would ever be effective in weeding out potentially life threatening individuals is if it was used to scan every single person in the air port.

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This is such bullshit.

TSA to investigate body scan resister - SignOnSanDiego.com

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I hope airports opt out, I can't imagine why they wouldn't...

Did you know that the nation's airports are not required to have Transportation Security Administration screeners checking passengers at security checkpoints? The 2001 law creating the TSA gave airports the right to opt out of the TSA program in favor of private screeners after a two-year period. Now, with the TSA engulfed in controversy and hated by millions of weary and sometimes humiliated travelers, Rep. John Mica, the Republican who will soon be chairman of the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, is reminding airports that they have a choice.


Down with TSA!!

Amid airport anger, GOP takes aim at screening | Washington Examiner

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

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I was watching CBS news last night...er, I mean I was flipping channels and the remote quit working when I got to CBS, but anyway, this dude was going thru the screening process (and recording it on his phone) and told the patter downer that he was going to have him arrested for sexual assault if he touched his "junk" during the screening. The TSA employee said they don't consider it sexual assault, to which the passanger responded, "It would be if you weren't the government." So can we add sexual assault to the list of things on which the government has a monopoly?

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


But the federal government has made it pretty clear over the years that they don't give a shit about the Constitution. :(

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But the federal government has made it pretty clear over the years that they don't give a shit about the Constitution. :(




Constitutional rights are a concept that exist only in hearts and minds.

El goberneo can and will suspend every one of your so called "rights" selectively when ever they see fit.

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Here's another one:

News flash: Deadly terrorism existed before 9/11 - Ask the Pilot - Salon.com

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One Hundred Naked Citizens: One Hundred Leaked Body Scans

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One Hundred Naked Citizens: One Hundred Leaked Body Scans



Well, that was a disappointment. :D

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One Hundred Naked Citizens: One Hundred Leaked Body Scans


So, when can we sue the TSA for breaking child pornography laws?

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This don't touch my junk guy has started a revolution.

Lawmakers in New Jersey Attempt to Ban Full Body Scanners - AOL Travel News

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Well, that was a disappointment. :D


LOL :P

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TSA Now Putting Hands Down Fliers’ Pants

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This don't touch my junk guy has started a revolution.

Lawmakers in New Jersey Attempt to Ban Full Body Scanners - AOL Travel News


Is that Al Qaeda in yur pants sir?

I can hear banjos; dueling banjos. :smoke:

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TSA Security Theatre Not Safe, Discreet or Effective | We Won't Fly




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