Obama elected in my microcosm

[halcyone]

While race may have played a role in the election, it was not a main contributing factor. Obama had some damn good marketing behind him, and his timing was perfect. The people wanted change, and he didn't come out and say what change he had in mind. On top of that, the Republicans ran McCain, a 80 something year old war hero who was going to continue Bush's legacy. On top of that, if the old codger would have croaked in office, which could have well happened, we would have been stuck with Palin. Honestly, I'm tired of this settling for the lesser of two evils thing America has gotten used to. Both candidates stunk, were self-interested bastards, and it perplexes me how everyone argues otherwise. Seriously, when was the last time a president did anything to promote or protect or even widen the freedoms of the American people?

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides

aaronman continues to be the most white bread person on the forum

I actually prefer whole wheat.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by AugustWest

I just don't think that those Obama votes were out of any guilt (maybe i just don't get it i donno). I bet more folks voted for him because it was the hip thing to do rather than any guilt.

that's just my take on it.. but personally i have no guilt so i really don't get the whole "liberal white guilt" deal.

Lyndon Johnson set the stage for white guilt in 1965:

"You do not take a person who, for years, has been hobbled by chains and liberate him, bring him up to the starting line in a race and then say, 'You are free to compete with all the others'."

Newsweek: White Guilt, Deciphered

The unbearable boredom occasioned by most of today's talk about race is alleviated by a slender, stunning new book. In "White Guilt," Shelby Steele, America's most discerning black writer, casts a cool eye on yet another soft bigotry of low expectations--the ruinous "compassion" of a theory of social determinism that reduces blacks to, in Steele's word, "non-individuated" creatures.

That reduction is the basis of identity politics--you are your (racial, ethnic, sexual) group. A pioneer of this politics, which is now considered "progressive," was, Steele says, George Wallace. He, too, insisted that race is destiny...

"By the mid-sixties," Steele writes, "white guilt was eliciting an entirely new kind of black leadership, not selfless men like King who appealed to the nation's moral character but smaller men, bargainers, bluffers and haranguers--not moralists but specialists in moral indignation--who could set up a trade with white guilt." The big invention by these small men was what Steele calls "globalized racism." That idea presumes that "racism is not so much an event in black lives as a condition of black life," a product of "impersonal" and "structural" forces. The very invisibility of those forces proved their sinister pervasiveness.

...Black students who have never suffered discrimination can, Steele says, enjoy affirmative action "with a new sense of entitlement." As a result, Steele says, "We blacks always experience white guilt as an incentive, almost a command, to somehow exhibit racial woundedness and animus." The result for blacks is "a political identity with no real purpose beyond the manipulation of white guilt."

Black "militants" are actually preaching militant dependency. They have defined justice as making whites feel so guilty that they will take responsibility for black advancement. One casualty of this, Steele says, has been education: "We got remedies pitched at injustices rather than at black academic excellence--school busing, black role models as teachers, black history courses, 'diverse' reading lists, 'Ebonics,' multiculturalism, culturally 'inclusive' classes, standardized tests corrected for racial bias, and so on." Reading, writing and arithmetic? Later. Maybe.

Maybe not. Not if classrooms are suffused with "a foggy academic relativism in which scholastic excellence is associated with elitism, and rote development with repression." Steele, a former professor of English, notes that "inner-city black English diverges more from standard English today than it did in the fifties."

White guilt, Steele says, is a form of self-congratulation, whereby whites devise "compassionate" policies, the real purpose of which is to show that whites are kind and innocent of racism. The "spiritually withering interventions of needy, morally selfish white people" comfortable with "the cliché of black inferiority" have a price. It is paid by blacks, who are "Sambo-ized."

Strong stuff from a fellow of the Hoover Institution at Stanford who last week received a Bradley Prize, for which this columnist voted. You can read "White Guilt" in two hours. For years it will be a clarifying lens through which to view the lonely struggle of clear sighted black intellectuals to rescue blacks from a degrading temptation. It is the temptation to profit from the condescension toward blacks that is the core of today's white guilt.

Maybe it's not white guilt that elected Obama, but the notion is ingrained in the subconscious of everybody in this country, black and white.

[Gooch_Goblin69]

Originally Posted by halcyone

While race may have played a role in the election, it was not a main contributing factor. Obama had some damn good marketing behind him, and his timing was perfect. The people wanted change, and he didn't come out and say what change he had in mind. On top of that, the Republicans ran McCain, a 80 something year old war hero who was going to continue Bush's legacy. On top of that, if the old codger would have croaked in office, which could have well happened, we would have been stuck with Palin. Honestly, I'm tired of this settling for the lesser of two evils thing America has gotten used to. Both candidates stunk, were self-interested bastards, and it perplexes me how everyone argues otherwise. Seriously, when was the last time a president did anything to promote or protect or even widen the freedoms of the American people?

Exactly,. were always hoping for something better but it never comes so we cling to the lesser of two evils thinking it will help, it never does,

It's desperate living

[SleepyShoegazer]

Thanks, captain obvious. You just reiterated what every comedian on Comedy Central has said, so you're obviously not breaking any new ground with this.

[Gooch_Goblin69]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Newsweek: White Guilt, Deciphered




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Yeah that bassically supports what i was saying earlier. Black people act the way they do because other black people act like that, thus the vicious cycle continues forever. It sucks ass.

And note i'm not saying all black people. Just most. just like most americans believe what ever the MSM tells them, and only the 5%, the "attentive/informed public" reads news from other sources.

[maxrule]

Originally Posted by aaronman

I believe white liberal guilt helped Obama attract liberal voters whom would have otherwise looked to real candidates of change like Dennis Kucinich or Ralph Nader, and this little example further solidified that belief.

What do you think?

I think your conclusions are exactly correct.

I think that political strategists and psychoanalysts understood that the American people would vote this way and thats why they invented Obama.

Human beings are even more susceptible to conditioning than mans best friend.

[Gooch_Goblin69]

Originally Posted by maxrule

I think your conclusions are exactly correct.

I think that political strategists and psychoanalysts understood that the American people would vote this way and thats why they invented Obama.

Human beings are even more susceptible to conditioning than mans best friend.

nah equally suseptable to conditioning, dogs just don't give a fuck and don;t pay attention to all the stupid little things we pay attention to,

[pineapple skunk]

he probably got the prize or whatever because he was the life of the party

he was probably the life of the party BECAUSE he was black, but who cares?

[UnbyJP]

Originally Posted by Tee 8sh See

Very close to home, considering im black aswell.. and uh.. thats about all the story relates..

Im from the hood bruh.. you aint got the slightest idea about my "home" or what i go through..

Yea I kno all kinds of n!ggas around here that frequent mountain resorts

If you're really from the hood, you'd know that most of your neighbors voted for Obama primarily based on his skin color. You're either in denial or straight up lying otherwise. Guess what, there are NON-black people in the hood too. A rare few are even perceptive and honest enough to admit the truth about what happened on election day of 2008 in the hoods. The worst part about it is that that these black voters (most from low income neighborhoods, aka hoods, that never voted before in any other elections) were convinced to support a presidential candidate that they thought represented them SOLELY based on his skin color. Obama represents nothing about black people from the hood. He is the epitome of the token black guy. If you don't know this, then school yourself on his past. That might make too much sense though. It's so much easier to make decisions out of ignorance, eh?

Originally Posted by halcyone

While race may have played a role in the election, it was not a main contributing factor. Obama had some damn good marketing behind him, and his timing was perfect. The people wanted change, and he didn't come out and say what change he had in mind. On top of that, the Republicans ran McCain, a 80 something year old war hero who was going to continue Bush's legacy. On top of that, if the old codger would have croaked in office, which could have well happened, we would have been stuck with Palin. Honestly, I'm tired of this settling for the lesser of two evils thing America has gotten used to. Both candidates stunk, were self-interested bastards, and it perplexes me how everyone argues otherwise. Seriously, when was the last time a president did anything to promote or protect or even widen the freedoms of the American people?

I don't get how the "good marketing" argument negates the arguments about race having played a big role in Obama's win? Menthol cigarettes had good marketing too. You act like effective marketing isn't about targeting certain social groups. In Obama's case, the target market was minorities and young people.

[Tee 8sh See]

Originally Posted by UnbyJP

If you're really from the hood, you'd know that most of your neighbors voted for Obama primarily based on his skin color. You're either in denial or straight up lying otherwise. Guess what, there are NON-black people in the hood too. A rare few are even perceptive and honest enough to admit the truth about what happened on election day of 2008 in the hoods. The worst part about it is that that these black voters (most from low income neighborhoods, aka hoods, that never voted before in any other elections) were convinced to support a presidential candidate that they thought represented them SOLELY based on his skin color. Obama represents nothing about black people from the hood. He is the epitome of the token black guy. If you don't know this, then school yourself on his past. That might make too much sense though. It's so much easier to make decisions out of ignorance, eh?

1. My argument wasnt about who voted for obama based on race and who didnt..
2. I never said there were no white people in the ghetto..? So wtf are you gettin at? i have plenty of white homeboys.

You white people that have never been to the hood crack me the fuck up..

[UnbyJP]

Originally Posted by Tee 8sh See

1. My argument wasnt about who voted for obama based on race and who didnt..
2. I never said there were no white people in the ghetto..? So wtf are you gettin at? i have plenty of white homeboys.

You white people that have never been to the hood crack me the fuck up..

You never said there were no white people in the ghetto... and in the next sentence you imply that any white person who disagrees with you in this thread has "never been to the hood"...

Let me make it blatantly clear to you. Me: white, hispanic, been to and lived in plenty of hoods, k.

Oh, and I find it funny how you have Outlawz in your avatar. Let me help you with the distinction. Tupac is a real homeboy from the hood. Obama, yeah, not so much, k?

Oh, my b, they are Bone thugz.

Well, good thing you get to cop out from addressing any real debate by my failure to correctly identify the group in your avatar... Oh, and fyi, from what I understand, you're the one who brought up "the hood" first in this thread. And it's relevant because, let me repeat myself, your neighbors in the hood voted for him primarily because of his skin color.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by Tee 8sh See

You white people that have never been to the hood crack me the fuck up..

What about black people that have never been to the hood, are they equally as hilarious?

Or do they get some kind of free pass in your warped collectivist view of the world?

[Tee 8sh See]

Originally Posted by UnbyJP

Oh, and I find it funny how you have Outlawz in your avatar. Let me help you with the distinction. Tupac is a real homeboy from the hood. Obama, yeah, not so much, k?

Again, what the FUCK are you talkin about?

Outlawz?? Mother fucker its a P..

And even if you were talkin about the sig its Bone Thugs..

And what the hell? Youre implying that I think Obama is "hood"? Get the fuck outta here with your irrelevant bullshit.

[Tee 8sh See]

Originally Posted by aaronman

What about black people that have never been to the hood, are they equally as hilarious?

Or do they get some kind of free pass in your warped collectivist view of the world?

When they spew dumbshit about knowing what its like to live in the hood then yes... funny as fuck. Any ignorant asshole that thinks since they speak well they know more about living conditions in the hood than people who actually live it... i also find funny.

My warped view of the world? HA! All yalls views on the world are warped, thinking you know even a minute detail of life in the hood. And these WHITE people thinkin they know whats wrong with BLACK youth and black culture..

Go back to your resort