Nader Vs. Bill "If We Pull Out Of Afghanistan We Get Another 9/11!" O'Reilly

[skoinkins]

Originally Posted by dubaba

You honestly think that they attacked us because we like naked women? Why has france not been attacked?

It certainly does fuel there hatred for us but they are more concerned with are imperialist policies in the middle east.

you really are clueless huh? france has been attacked, so has england, and so have alot of western european countries. remember the "marauding youth"? i guess you don't watch the news much, but i already knew that from all of the incohearant posts.

[NateRiver]

Originally Posted by Dronetek

Ever read the 9/11 commission report? I'm guessing most of you haven't.

And where in the 9/11 Commission Report does it say that "Leaving Somalia got us 9/11"? Please, point to the specific piece of the report in which it states, implies, or alludes to that.

[Dronetek]

Originally Posted by NateRiver

And where in the 9/11 Commission Report does it say that "Leaving Somalia got us 9/11"? Please, point to the specific piece of the report in which it states, implies, or alludes to that.

The 9/11 commission, as well as many other people (including me), have concluded that Somalia was a big reason that Bin Laden was able to acquire the means to hit us several times. That includes 9/11. This is based on Osama's own words and just common sense.

http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch2.pdf

In August 1996, Bin Ladin had issued his own self-styled fatwa calling on
Muslims to drive American soldiers out of Saudi Arabia.The long, disjointed
document condemned the Saudi monarchy for allowing the presence of an
army of infidels in a land with the sites most sacred to Islam, and celebrated
recent suicide bombings of American military facilities in the Kingdom. It
praised the 1983 suicide bombing in Beirut that killed 241 U.S. Marines, the
1992 bombing in Aden,and especially the 1993 firefight in Somalia after which
the United States “left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat
and your dead with you.”3

Bin Ladin said in his ABC interview that he and his followers had been
preparing in Somalia for another long struggle, like that against the Soviets in
Afghanistan, but “the United States rushed out of Somalia in shame and disgrace.”
Citing the Soviet army’s withdrawal from Afghanistan as proof that a
ragged army of dedicated Muslims could overcome a superpower, he told the
interviewer:“We are certain that we shall—with the grace of Allah—prevail
over the Americans.”He went on to warn that “If the present injustice continues
. . . , it will inevitably move the battle to American soil.”

Plans to attack the United States were developed with unwavering singlemindedness throughout the 1990s. Bin Ladin saw himself as called “to follow in the footsteps of the Messenger and to communicate his message to all nations,”5 and to serve as the rallying point and organizer of a new kind of war to destroy America and bring the world to Islam.

As you can see he and other Islamic terrorists were emboldened to the point of bragging and launching a series of attacks that started with the first WTC bombing and ended with 9/11.

frontline: hunting bin laden: who is bin laden?: greetings, america. my name is osama bin laden | PBS

"After leaving Afghanistan, the Muslim fighters headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle, thinking that the Americans were like the Russians," bin Laden said. "The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized more than before that the American soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows ran in defeat. And America forgot all the hoopla and media propaganda ... about being the world leader and the leader of the New World Order, and after a few blows they forgot about this title and left, dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat."

The Somalia operation, in some ways, made bin Laden. During the Afghan war, the CIA had been very aware of him (although the agency now insists it never "controlled" him), but in Somalia, bin Laden had taken a swing at the biggest kid in the school yard and given him a black eye. The next fight, a few weeks later, would begin with a sucker punch.


It was snowing in New York on February 26, 1993, when a massive truck bomb exploded at the World Trade Center, tearing through three levels of the building's underground garage, basement, and foundation.

At the time, I was a reporter for NBC. As I walked through the scene, I saw a cop I knew from an antiterrorist unit. Initial reports were that it had been a gas explosion or a transformer that blew up. "They're not saying this now," he warned, "but this was a bomb. Too big to be a car, probably a truck on the lower level of the garage. There just isn't anything down there that could blow up and make a hole this big."

Look, I'm even using one of your favorite news sources.

[dubaba]

Originally Posted by Dronetek

Yet, they want to return the whole planet to an Islamic Caliphate. The way you guys buy in to their propaganda is really pathetic. These guys are religious fanatics using terror to gain power, while using the more naive to paint themselves as the victims.

Some of the "terrorists" may be fighting for the things you mentioned but Id say a majority of afghani's are fighting because of the fact that we are occupying them and killing civilians. If some one invaded america today and killed civilians would you not fight them?

[dubaba]

Originally Posted by skoinkins

you really are clueless huh? france has been attacked, so has england, and so have alot of western european countries. remember the "marauding youth"? i guess you don't watch the news much, but i already knew that from all of the incohearant posts.

I realize they have been attacked but not on the scale that america was. And when did I mention England? Also you talk about me sounding incoherents?

Atleast im speaking my own opinion instead of babbiling some fox news bullshit like you. Anyone who sits down, looks at the facts and sets aside the bullshit realizes that the wars in the middle east is fucked up.

And yea I dont watch the news cause its mostly propaganda, I read my news from many sources.

[NateRiver]

Originally Posted by Dronetek

The 9/11 commission, as well as many other people (including me), have concluded that Somalia was a big reason that Bin Laden was able to acquire the means to hit us several times. That includes 9/11.

No, what you claimed earlier was that leaving Somalia is what caused 9/11. You are now backtracking and merely claiming that the entire conflict in Somalia helped to embolden Bin Laden and other terrorists.

You have still yet to provide a single piece of evidence that suggests that "Leaving Somalia got us 9/11".

[TokinSmokinMofo]

ive posted this before but lets here ur thoughts. this is a support beam from the wreckage of 911...i mean im not suggesting anything but uhh..how? does this happen hahaha.

Somebody said if the troops pull out, the Taliban will take over Afganistan.

And your point is? Who gives a fuck. I don't know why were fighting for "their" peace, anyways. More american soldiers dying. The violence will NEVER stop, no matter what. There will always be terrorism in the middle east.

[TheDankery]

Was anyone else tripped out by Bill O defending Obama and demanding Nader give Barack some credit? That was a trip for me.

But, so, if "another 9/11" were to occur if we left now; how long do we stay in Afghanistan before we can be sure there are no more 9/11s-a-brewing? It sounds like a good case for indefinite occupation.

This hegemony is hard at work.

[xKorruptx]

The only reason he would say we would have another 9/11 if we pulled the troops out is because it is in the best interest of the global elite to keep a country at war and in debt and impoverished and when the people finally do get over with the war you get a false flag terror attack that causes you to go right back into war with someone else when in fact the "terrorist" group isn't who most people think it is.

[Dronetek]

Originally Posted by NateRiver

No, what you claimed earlier was that leaving Somalia is what caused 9/11. You are now backtracking and merely claiming that the entire conflict in Somalia helped to embolden Bin Laden and other terrorists.

I'm not back tracking on anything. You're just too ignorant to understand complicated topics like this apparently. Its all right there quoted and bolded just for you and you still cant comprehend. What have you posted to back up anything you say? You don't, because you think talking out of your ass is enough.

You're right, there is no sentence that says "Somalia caused 9/11", but it does detail how Somalia led to the series of attacks that led up to 9/11. Thats what we're talking about right? We're talking about how pulling out of Afghanistan could have very deadly repercussions. Just like we did for leaving Somalia.

You have still yet to provide a single piece of evidence that suggests that "Leaving Somalia got us 9/11".

Its right there in Osama's own words. What the fuck is wrong with you?

He launched an attack on the WTC WEEKS after the Somalia withdraw and even said that was his motivation. What makes you think the two WTC attacks aren't connected? Did you even bother to read anything I posted? I guess this is what they mean by arguing with the less intelligent.

The Somalia operation, in some ways, made bin Laden. During the Afghan war, the CIA had been very aware of him (although the agency now insists it never "controlled" him), but in Somalia, bin Laden had taken a swing at the biggest kid in the school yard and given him a black eye. The next fight, a few weeks later, would begin with a sucker punch.


It was snowing in New York on February 26, 1993, when a massive truck bomb exploded at the World Trade Center, tearing through three levels of the building's underground garage, basement, and foundation.

[hydrosRheaven]

Originally Posted by TokinSmokinMofo

i mean im not suggesting anything but uhh..how? does this happen hahaha.

I'm not going to suggest that you are a conspiracy theorist, but uhh... this really makes it seem that way.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by hydrosRheaven

I'm not going to suggest that you are a conspiracy theorist, but uhh... this really makes it seem that way.

Your post just makes you look like an asshole. Is there an obvious explanation for the beam's cut?

A better response would have been, "Maybe that photo was taken after clean up, where they cut the beams off and sold them to the Chinese to be melted and recycled".

[hydrosRheaven]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Your post just makes you look like an asshole. Is there an obvious explanation for the beam's cut?

A better response would have been, "Maybe that photo was taken after clean up, where they cut the beams off and sold them to the Chinese to be melted and recycled".

That would have been a different response. I liked mine better.

[AStoner&HisBong]

Originally Posted by Dronetek

Ever read the 9/11 commission report? I'm guessing most of you haven't.

lol what? why because we're stoners? more like "Ever believe the 9/11 commission?"