Nader Vs. Bill "If We Pull Out Of Afghanistan We Get Another 9/11!" O'Reilly

[willisvillis]

Ah yes, give me perpetual war or give me death.

[Dronetek]

Originally Posted by kstigs

The 9/11 Commission Report was a complete hoax. More than half of the writers don't believe what's written in there. Perhaps it is you who needs to go back and re-read it.

Yeah, right...

This isn't just based on the 9/11 commission report. This is well documented fact. Its a fact that Osama and AQ were involved in the Black hawk Down incident and that when we left, it emboldened them. Osama put out the Paper Tiger declaration and we were attacked several times, leading up to 9/11. They seized on what they saw as weakness. What exactly are you denying?

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"After leaving Afghanistan, the Muslim fighters headed for Somalia and prepared for a long battle, thinking that the Americans were like the Russians," bin Laden said. "The youth were surprised at the low morale of the American soldiers and realized more than before that the American soldier was a paper tiger and after a few blows ran in defeat. And America forgot all the hoopla and media propaganda ... about being the world leader and the leader of the New World Order, and after a few blows they forgot about this title and left, dragging their corpses and their shameful defeat."

The Somalia operation, in some ways, made bin Laden. During the Afghan war, the CIA had been very aware of him (although the agency now insists it never "controlled" him), but in Somalia, bin Laden had taken a swing at the biggest kid in the school yard and given him a black eye. The next fight, a few weeks later, would begin with a sucker punch.


It was snowing in New York on February 26, 1993, when a massive truck bomb exploded at the World Trade Center, tearing through three levels of the building's underground garage, basement, and foundation. At the time, I was a reporter for NBC. As I walked through the scene, I saw a cop I knew from an antiterrorist unit. Initial reports were that it had been a gas explosion or a transformer that blew up. "They're not saying this now," he warned, "but this was a bomb. Too big to be a car, probably a truck on the lower level of the garage. There just isn't anything down there that could blow up and make a hole this big."

[kstigs]

Originally Posted by Dronetek

Yeah, right...

This isn't just based on the 9/11 commission report. This is well documented fact. Its a fact that Osama and AQ were involved in the Black hawk Down incident and that when we left, it emboldened them. Osama put out the Paper Tiger declaration and we were attacked several times, leading up to 9/11. They seized on what they saw as weakness. What exactly are you denying?

frontline: hunting bin laden: who is bin laden?: greetings, america. my name is osama bin laden | PBS

What is this? What is a well documented fact? That because we left Somalia, they attacked us on 9/11? Yeah, right...

As for the 9/11 Commission Report, here's some reading:

The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies - Salem-News.Com

9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon - washingtonpost.com

[EbencoyE]

Originally Posted by Dronetek

Ever read the 9/11 commission report? I'm guessing most of you haven't.

fail.

The Taliban are going to keep control of their territory no matter what anyway. We aren't even on the offensive anymore, just protecting what we have been able to secure. Even if we left, there are many other competing factions in the region for the Taliban to deal with. Not our problem.

[FreeMJ]

Peace is always the best option. Our governent is like a retarded bully on a ritalin rampage to the world playground. Nobody really likes america. Sure the nostalgia of prosperity and wealth is still lingering from decades ago but in reality the US is falling apart.

Adding to the imperialistic control-freak type of stance they have taken towards other countries....it's funny how people were surprised when 9/11 happened.

Countries invade other countries for 2 reasons. And 2 reasons only.

1. Wealth/Power
2. Retribution

No matter how much the media drills into your mind how we invaded another country to free them from a dictator, it is as clear as day that it would be stupid to spend precious resources just to help one of hundreds of regions...Not to mention that we have ABSOLUTLY NO business in their affairs. If the people don't like it, they change it themselves.

Most people are like sheep and have no backbones. They let the governemnt put on their velcro gloves, firmly secure themselves to thier rears and gladly let them fuck them in the ass.

[Kylesa]

Supporting Israel got us 9/11, not Somalia, lol.

[skoinkins]

Originally Posted by dubaba

The reason 9/11 happened is because are government thinks it has the right to stick its nose in other peoples business. People around the world dont hate us just to hate us, they hate us for are imperialistic foreign policies. If we just kept to ourselves im we wouldnt be in a war and 9/11 wouldn't of happened. All of it is our own governments fault

spoken like a true clueless american....if you would actually look at the history of the situation you would understad why islamists hate america and the west. it is our lifestyle that they hate, the fact that our women don't wear burkas, and they wear slutty clothes on top of that, they don't like the lifestyle they see portrayed in the movies like american pie, or any other movie geared towards teenage america. the islamists WILL HATE US as long as we continue to live our "sinful" lifestyle and do not conform to their radical religous beliefs.
who had palestine before the palestines?.....the jews, so i'm sick of hearing the sad excuse that palestine got "kicked out" of ther land.

[skoinkins]

Originally Posted by FreeMJ

Peace is always the best option. Our governent is like a retarded bully on a ritalin rampage to the world playground. Nobody really likes america. Sure the nostalgia of prosperity and wealth is still lingering from decades ago but in reality the US is falling apart.

Adding to the imperialistic control-freak type of stance they have taken towards other countries....it's funny how people were surprised when 9/11 happened.

Countries invade other countries for 2 reasons. And 2 reasons only.

1. Wealth/Power
2. Retribution

No matter how much the media drills into your mind how we invaded another country to free them from a dictator, it is as clear as day that it would be stupid to spend precious resources just to help one of hundreds of regions...Not to mention that we have ABSOLUTLY NO business in their affairs. If the people don't like it, they change it themselves.

Most people are like sheep and have no backbones. They let the governemnt put on their velcro gloves, firmly secure themselves to thier rears and gladly let them fuck them in the ass.

you know people could have said the same thing about the slaves.

[hydrosRheaven]

Originally Posted by Salvial

YouTube - NADERS vs O'REILLY "If We Pull Out Of Afghanistan We Get Another 9/11!" O'Reilly

I'm not an O'reilly fan but he had nader up against the ropes.

[Dickie4:20]

Originally Posted by Dronetek

Yeah, right...

Yes kstigs is right. The 9/11 comission report was a joke.

[dubaba]

Originally Posted by skoinkins

spoken like a true clueless american....if you would actually look at the history of the situation you would understad why islamists hate america and the west. it is our lifestyle that they hate, the fact that our women don't wear burkas, and they wear slutty clothes on top of that, they don't like the lifestyle they see portrayed in the movies like american pie, or any other movie geared towards teenage america. the islamists WILL HATE US as long as we continue to live our "sinful" lifestyle and do not conform to their radical religous beliefs.
who had palestine before the palestines?.....the jews, so i'm sick of hearing the sad excuse that palestine got "kicked out" of ther land.

You honestly think that they attacked us because we like naked women? Why has france not been attacked?

It certainly does fuel there hatred for us but they are more concerned with are imperialist policies in the middle east.

[Dronetek]

Originally Posted by dubaba

It certainly does fuel there hatred for us but they are more concerned with are imperialist policies in the middle east.

Yet, they want to return the whole planet to an Islamic Caliphate. The way you guys buy in to their propaganda is really pathetic. These guys are religious fanatics using terror to gain power, while using the more naive to paint themselves as the victims.

[littlefoot]

Originally Posted by Dronetek

Yet, they want to return the whole planet to an Islamic Caliphate. The way you guys buy in to their propaganda is really pathetic. These guys are religious fanatics using terror to gain power, while using the more naive to paint themselves as the victims.

Their "power" is entirely up to us, and occupying their already fucked up countries is doing anything about it, it's our addiction to their oil.

Tell me Dronetek, why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia? If anything they're responsible for 9/11.

[Dronetek]

Originally Posted by littlefoot

Their "power" is entirely up to us, and occupying their already fucked up countries is doing anything about it, it's our addiction to their oil.

What countries were we "occupying" before 9/11? What countries is Pakistan occupying? What about all the targets around the world they've hit? What about the foiled plans in Canada?


Why you guys feel the need to rationalize for religious mass murderers is beyond me. You wouldn't be doing it if they were christian terrorists. I'm also not aware of an attack that originated from Saudi? 9/11 was planned in Afghanistan and Osama was hidden by the Taliban.

[hydrosRheaven]

Originally Posted by Dronetek

I'm also not aware of an attack that originated from Saudi? 9/11 was planned in Afghanistan and Osama was hidden by the Taliban.

And Osama was paid $300 million by the Saudi's. You don't have an operation with out money. You must be so knowledgeable, because you read the commission report...