Obama Is Average.

[pineapple skunk]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides

even though he CURTAILED THE AMMOUNT OF WEAPONS THAT CAN ANHIALATE THE ENTIRE PLANET! But hey, he hasn't done enough, right?

except we still have more than enough to destroy the planet

almost seems like he didn't really.. accomplish anything

i hate to use the word "accomplish" cause it always sets obamanuts like you into super defensive mode, because even you know the word "accomplishment" is obama's weak spot

[Gloom]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides

Yes I suck Obama's dick because ya know, I actualy fucking know what i'm talking about. And your snide, cynical observations (which bares very little to the reality of the situation) is juvinile at best. It's completely fucking relevent who started the fucking fire. It aint like breaking up with your special life partner, where you and him split up the Eagle albums and he takes the dog. We just drop all our toys and go home, that means we've once again fucked things up and then cut and run, which is what fucked up afghanistan in the 80's. But because he cant wave his magic obama wand and end all wars, he doesn't deserve a nobel prize even though he CURTAILED THE AMMOUNT OF WEAPONS THAT CAN ANHIALATE THE ENTIRE PLANET! But hey, he hasn't done enough, right?

Rome wasn't built in a day.

Pull out a revolver and remove half the bullets from the chambers then shoot someone in the head, they should be just as dead, right? Take 6 nukes, disarm 3, then drop the other 3 on a city, should be just as leveled, right?

[smokinp]

Originally Posted by lovetobtokn

Who would have saved europe from germany, who would stand up for israel and other countries in similar situations, who promotes democracy more than us trying to give people in other parts of the world the right to have a voice and elect their own governments. Its easy to jump on pur case and i definately dont like the democrats or republicans, but have a little pride people. Im tired of the people who just have attitudes like we shouldnt torture terrorists n shit tosave thousands of lives. Its the same attitude more and more young people are displaying

Getting sick of all this crap about the US being on a crusade to bring democracy to the world.. What a load of shit...

All the US is interested in is making money and imposing its will on the rest of the world.. To try and argue that they are doing the rest of the world a favour is ridiculous..
GREED is what drives US foreign policy...Who has fucked up the middle east in its pursuit of oil?

By the way what lives is the US saving in its torture and blatant violation of human rights kidnapping anyone it suspects of being a terrorist?
If anything its going to bring reprisals..

And when 9/11 part 2 hits all the dumb shocked fools will be hysterical baying for blood..

[TheDudeAbides]

Originally Posted by pineapple skunk

except we still have more than enough to destroy the planet

almost seems like he didn't really.. accomplish anything

i hate to use the word "accomplish" cause it always sets obamanuts like you into super defensive mode, because even you know the word "accomplishment" is obama's weak spot

except he did accomplish something. it just wasnt enough in your opinion. but then again you keep moving the goal post so quickly (he did do anything to he didnt do enough) so fast that obama could make ghandi look like gen patton and youd still have some snide ass comment belittling him soley to further your crooked partisan world view.

[thedon420]

Originally Posted by hydrosRheaven

Regardless of how you feel about Obama, a Black American President is by definition unique. He is the only one.

well what the fuck happened to "a man should not be judged by the color of his skin but by the content of his charactor"? as a southern pastor, I'm sure that MLK jr. would be very proud of what obama stands for (abortion, gay marrige, ect)

[Phunx]

Originally Posted by lovetobtokn

I understand wherr some of u arr coming from with the imperialism shit and the political interventionism. But do you understand you live the life u do right now because of the things we as a nation have accomplished? Obama and bush are one in the same.

Public opinion ab us has changed bc he went around basically saying we suck an hes sorry.

Healthcare is basically a new form of welfare.

Our national debt is about to triple because of obama in like 10 years, when it took like half a century to accumalate

sometimes we have to do things for others may not like to ensure that we as a country can stay successful. There is no black and white on any political issue, picking sides is stupid imo. But i for one dont appreciate how negatively everyone views the us bc regardless the world would be a worse place without us and that is a fact. Who would have saved europe from germany, who would stand up for israel and other countries in similar situations, who promotes democracy more than us trying to give people in other parts of the world the right to have a voice and elect their own governments. Its easy to jump on pur case and i definately dont like the democrats or republicans, but have a little pride people. Im tired of the people who just have attitudes like we shouldnt torture terrorists n shit tosave thousands of lives. Its the same attitude more and more young people are displaying

Wait wait wait... wait... This guy is why the world hates america. No lie. its shit like this.

America is everything that the world shouldn't be. Fat. Lazy, and the over consumption of goods and food is astounding. America is not a good place to live, and i would never ever want to live there, Ever. Im not saying Canada is a poster child for all that is good in the world cause we most def. are not, but we also like to recognize the work that all the Allies did in both world war 1 and 2.

Originally Posted by kingmonkey

Obama is a self-righteous elitist douche. He hasn't done anything of any importance and everything he wants to do will do more to impoverish this nation than help it. He has the same foreign policy, economic policy and domestic policy as Bush. He is no different. No, sorry, I'm wrong on that point. He has done one thing: he neutralized the anti-war left and bought a dog. Woot. He sure is the savior of the world.

Tell us kingmonkey what have you accomplished to better America?

[TheDankery]

America is not a good place to live, and i would never ever want to live there, Ever.

Is that a factual statement, or just your opinion? What makes America "not a good place" to live in? We have a relatively high standard of living and a competitive literacy rate, amongst other things. America has problems (such as our leadership and over-consumption) but America is still a good place to live in overall.

[Phunx]

Alright maybe i should elaborate a little more, i wouldnt want to live in America because of your countries values. Greed, guns, and sports. Your economy is based entirely on greed, you guys have a dog eat dog mentality, its either kill or be killed. I think what America's main problem is the education system from the american's ive talked to you guys learn next to nothing about the rest of the world. Or even study other nations cultures. It doesnt help the world's opinion of your country. Yes your standard of living is good, IF you are lucky enough to be employed at a good company with agood salary. Scandinavian countries also have a very high standard of living with almost no gap between the rich and poor. Everyone is equal, post secondary education is free not to mention the free healthcare and social programs available.

But in the end its all just my opinion i value helping other people and in turn having people look after me, i think its just a much better system overall.

[TheDankery]

I don't follow what you mean by "your economy is based entirely on greed"
Aren't most economies motivated by "greed"?

Is your economy based on making people feel good, sunshine, rainbows and puppies?

I agree our nation has many problems in terms of public education, but we are in fact taught about other cultures - yet this has not helped our standing in the world very much. I don't see how teaching about other cultures would improve how the world looks at America; because we already do that and it is not effective apparently thus far.

America is a good place to live overall. I just wish I could dismantle the current politcal system.

[Phunx]

Yes most economies use greed as a determining factor, but alot of countries build checks and regulations into the economy that allow the government to restrict business. Which i am for.

As for the public education, I've had Americans tell me that Canada is a communist country. So i went along with it thinking they were joking, i couldnt believe someone could be that stupid as to believe Canada is communist. But alas to my dismay they legitimately believed we were as socialist as the former USSR. Are you guys given the options to learn other religions in school? When i was in highschool i was allowed to study multiple religions and infact it was encouraged. To helped me understand better alot of the different places of the world including the middle east and alot of asian countries. Which then lead to me befriending people from those areas.

I will agree with you though that America would be a much better place overall with a different political system

[lovetobtokn]

am i supposed to feel bad for having a sense of pride for being an American? thats what i feel like some of you are suggesting....

by any means, im not saying that the US is any less greedy or competative than any other government or country in the world. but for gods sake, its easy to sit here and be like "we did this out of greed" bla bla bla, most of u motherfuckers are sitting on a computer, smoking pot, able to have this discussion WHY???!?!?!

competition is in the nature of the beast, where someone succeeds, others fail. it will always bee that way. get rid of this idealistic bullshit and look at things the way they really are. by no means am i defending what the US has done in MANY INSTANCES. but wtf? none of you know the entire story... as obvious as it may seem to you... nothing is black and white.

i feel bad for the men and women who die for this country whilst its citizens, sit here mocking the very things we as a nation do and accomplish. its rediculous. if you dont like it gtfo in my opinion. im proud to be american.

[Phunx]

im able to sit infront of this computer with my bong beside me packed with purple kush because my grandpa and thousands of Canadian, Russian, French, English, and American people took up the call to arms.

[lovetobtokn]

no matter what war we have been involved in, we have supplied more aid and troops than any other, whats your point...

[lovetobtokn]

Originally Posted by smokinp

Getting sick of all this crap about the US being on a crusade to bring democracy to the world.. What a load of shit...

All the US is interested in is making money and imposing its will on the rest of the world.. To try and argue that they are doing the rest of the world a favour is ridiculous..
GREED is what drives US foreign policy...Who has fucked up the middle east in its pursuit of oil?

By the way what lives is the US saving in its torture and blatant violation of human rights kidnapping anyone it suspects of being a terrorist?
If anything its going to bring reprisals..

And when 9/11 part 2 hits all the dumb shocked fools will be hysterical baying for blood..

when a dictator controls a resource, that is allocated in such a way that they con form a world monopoly on it basically, do you realize they could basically DESTROY THE US. What do you expect us as a nation to do? Just crumble? or do something about it.... there is no such thing as a perfect world as some of you think. its called being realistic, not idealogical.

[smokinp]

Originally Posted by lovetobtokn

no matter what war we have been involved in, we have supplied more aid and troops than any other, whats your point...

Problem is the US started nearly every war since WW2..