debating liberals vs me on immigration

[ibjamming]

Originally Posted by Chronny215

According to the U.S. Census Bureau (just clearing where my statistics are coming from): 79.8% of Americans are white, 12.8% are black, and 15.4% are of Hispanic/Latino origin. According to a New York Times 2009 Almanac, there are:
547,000 black males, and 29,900 black females in prison. So approximately 576,900 blacks in prison. There are 505,500 Whites (male and female) in prison, and there are 294,900 Hispanics (male and female) in prison.

As of October 2009, there are 308,000,000 people living in the U.S.A. Meaning that if 12.8% of the population is black, there are approximately 39,424,000 blacks in America, and if 576,900 of them are in prison, then 1.5% of all blacks living in america are in prison. Out of the 47.4 million hispanics, .62% are in prison, and out of 245.8 million whites, .002% are in prison.

While minorities are not mostly criminals, most criminals ARE minorities, and if 2 blacks in every 200 is a criminal, and since 53% of inmates are charged with violent crimes, 1 person in every 200 blacks is a violent criminal. The dude's not trolling, the difference in numbers is undeniable. 1.5% vs. .002%. But since we're dealing with minorities, not just blacks, approximately 1.0% of all minorities are in prison, and 53% are charged with violent crimes. Vs. .002% of all whites in prison.

There's really no denying it, you can call it whatever you like, but the statistics are there, like ^right there.

Actually, when you consider parole, it's even worse...the vast majority of black males HAVE been in jail.

Add to this the higher rate of blacks on welfare. The higher rate of blacks with HIV/AIDS. Face it...we'd be better off without them.

[Dickie4:20]

Originally Posted by ibjamming

Face it...we'd be better off without them.

We'd be better off without you. Go move to a country with no black people and stop bitching.

GTFO with your racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic shit that you spew on here all the time.

[dbomber757]

Originally Posted by loopster

ya this debate has gone from illegal immigration->people in jail->to drugs-> to race; which is not why i started this thread in the first place. Some people don't understand how to read Ie the ones calling people racists and from my conclusion i think that they should become US citizens if they pay the fines taxes everything they have owed they follow the same rules i have no problem

Keep your head up man. The racist card is always played by liberals in this argument, and though extremely moronic it is also extremely frustrating. Most of the people posting are about as naive as 6 year olds when it comes to politics and the economy, so don't take them too seriously, just sit back and laugh at the unintentional jokes they tell with every post.

[TheDankery]

So are you going to refute any actual arguments or offer a opinion on the matter?

Once again, I don't understand who is "liberal" in this topic. I cited a study by a libertarian, pro-free market group to back my opinions.

Additionally we've had two people thus far who are outright racists. That's just a fact.

[hydrosRheaven]

Originally Posted by Fresh Prince

Do you have anything to say about the point of my original post?
The point being that there is most definitely a problem with illegal immigration,...

I do. You are very correct that there is a problem.

Originally Posted by Fresh Prince

...and in order to solve said problem we need to take away all of the benefits that we give them.

I do not agree this is the way to solve it. We should increase the amount of legal immigration we allow, and slow down the amount of illegal immigrants entering in the first place.

When you try and take benefits or rights away from illegal immigrants you'll end up encroaching on legal Americans rights and benefits, e.g. not treating people at hospitals until they can prove citizenship. Encroaching on freedoms of Americans to deter illegal immigration is a bit like burning down the barn to kill the mice.

[pineapple skunk]

Originally Posted by hydrosRheaven

We should increase the amount of legal immigration we allow, and slow down the amount of illegal immigrants entering in the first place.

When you try and take benefits or rights away from illegal immigrants you'll end up encroaching on legal Americans rights and benefits, e.g. not treating people at hospitals until they can prove citizenship. Encroaching on freedoms of Americans to deter illegal immigration is a bit like burning down the barn to kill the mice.

are you seriously 6 years old or what?

the way to slow down illegal immigration is.. to slow the number of illegal immigrants entering the country. well gee! why didnt we think of that before?

and proving citizenship is as simple as flashing a drivers license, hardly encroaching on any freedoms

the way to solve this problem has already been posted, but when you tell it HOW IT IS, everyone calls you a racist

[Raoul Duke II]

Personally, I find absolutely no problem with immigration, illegal or legal.

And honestly if you think that illegals are a problem, the only solution has nothing to do with regulating the illegals, but instead heavy regulation against those that hire them.

They're coming because they can get jobs here, and the only way to change that is to change the job availabilty to them. Nothing else will work. Period.

[pineapple skunk]

jobs + what has ALREADY been covered in this thread

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent,
He qualifies for food stamps.
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
He requires bilingual teachers and books.
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled they qualify for SSI.
Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for medicare.
Car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance? nope thats free

[alejnadro]

Originally Posted by pineapple skunk

jobs + what has ALREADY been covered in this thread

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent,
He qualifies for food stamps.
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
He requires bilingual teachers and books.
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled they qualify for SSI.
Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for medicare.
Car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance? nope thats free

"GIVE US YOUR TIRED, GIVE US YOUR POOR" the only people who have trouble finding a job are the ones who are not looking for a job, you people automatically blame the evil commie mexikkans coming over the boarder raping your white wiminz and stealing your jobs, shut the fuck, accept it, its your fault, its your governments job, have a proble? go do something about it. i have never been affetced by illegal immigration, ever. nor have my friends, nor has my family..

[pineapple skunk]

shut the fuck up

Illegal Immigration Costs California $10.5 Billion Annually

[ibjamming]

Originally Posted by alejnadro

"GIVE US YOUR TIRED, GIVE US YOUR POOR" the only people who have trouble finding a job are the ones who are not looking for a job, you people automatically blame the evil commie mexikkans coming over the boarder raping your white wiminz and stealing your jobs, shut the fuck, accept it, its your fault, its your governments job, have a proble? go do something about it. i have never been affetced by illegal immigration, ever. nor have my friends, nor has my family..

I guess you're part of the problem too...since you don't pay taxes. Taxes is what they cost us if nothing else. How about the bilingualism? I resent things in a foreign language in my country.

[alejnadro]

Originally Posted by ibjamming

I guess you're part of the problem too...since you don't pay taxes. Taxes is what they cost us if nothing else. How about the bilingualism? I resent things in a foreign language in my country.

"FREEDOM OF SPEECH" by the way, i am a legal resident of the united states. and i seriously doubt you pay taxes you fucking hypocrite

[alejnadro]

Originally Posted by pineapple skunk

shut the fuck up

Illegal Immigration Costs California $10.5 Billion Annually

sorry buddy, but its your fault that there are illegal immigrants in the nation "united states"

[TheDankery]

Oh, no, ibjamming, the abysmal Anglophile, is scared by any non-English speech!

what do you care how people talk to each other? it doesn't matter.

edit: you literally resent "bilingualism"? what if I wish to learn the sweet language of Mother Deutschland? LOLZ

[pineapple skunk]

Originally Posted by alejnadro

sorry buddy, but its your fault that there are illegal immigrants in the nation "united states"

riiiiight