30 GOP Senators vote to defend Haliburton in Gang Rape case.

[aaronman]

I don't really understand why halliburton should be held financially responsible. And its not like it actually hurts them, they are covered with insurance. So insurance rates go up for everyone.

I understand the clause, I'm sure women get raped in war environments all the time. That's what happens.

But businesses back in the states are liable for sexual assault by co-workers (my company is being sued right now because one woman flashed another woman) so I guess they should be held to the same standards? I dunno.

[Dickie4:20]

Originally Posted by aaronman

I understand the clause, I'm sure women get raped in war environments all the time. That's what happens.

Thats what happens? You make it sound like its a normal thing...

All this bill does is stop corporations from denying Americans the right to bring their case to a courtroom with a judge, a jury, defense, etc. Not some group of corporate executives making a decision, more than likely a decision that is in the best benefit of the corporation. And even if these executives found the alleged defendant guilty, how would they imprison that person if the crime called for it?

Its a terrible loophole and finally its been stopped.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by Dickie4:20

Thats what happens? You make it sound like its a normal thing...

All this bill does is stop corporations from denying Americans the right to bring their case to a courtroom with a judge

Rape and war go hand in hand. All that built up rage and testosterone... not a safe environment for women... especially their women


Couldn't she have taken legal action against the employees without involving the corporations? I thought the bill only made the corporation liable instead of the actual rapists.

[TheDudeAbides]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Rape and war go hand in hand. All that built up rage and testosterone... not a safe environment for women... especially

Couldn't she have taken legal action against the employees without involving the corporations? I thought the bill only made the corporation liable instead of the actual rapists.

well the corporation says that there employee cant sue anyone in the corporation or press charges for rape or sexual assualt, so the bill is making the corporation liable for this.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides

well the corporation says that there employee cant sue anyone in the corporation or press charges for rape or sexual assualt, so the bill is making the corporation liable for this.

I've looked further into it. She was forced to go through arbitration because she actually signed her rights away. The contract she signed specifically said rape will only be settled outside of courts.

IMO, she shouldn't have signed the contract. But I also don't think we should be contracting to a company that would require that.

The 30 senators that signed this are hoping for a spot on future payroll.

[Stoli]

You shouldn't be able to sign your rights away. There is a certain aspect of natural selection to modern society, and in many ways we have overstepped in attempting to prevent them, but in cases of rape or violence, no one should be able to sign their rights away.

Sure, no one should ever sign something without reading it, but I personally sign my name over a 100 times a day, and I'd say I'm more conscientious than most of what I sign.. In an age of scrolling past legal contracts when installing a program, and legal documents of ridiculous length, a certain common sense standard is required.

Originally Posted by skoinkins

in this case i would agree the company needs to be held responsible for what happend because it was handled poorly, but this was not a court case, it was legislation, and the company will not always be party to blame, but i guess as long as someone pays for it you don't really care...

It's legislation that ensures cases of rape go to court at all, you idiot. I don't want anyone to "pay" for it: I want accountability and punishment if necessary.

Originally Posted by aaronman

I don't really understand why halliburton should be held financially responsible. And its not like it actually hurts them, they are covered with insurance. So insurance rates go up for everyone.

I understand the clause, I'm sure women get raped in war environments all the time. That's what happens.

But businesses back in the states are liable for sexual assault by co-workers (my company is being sued right now because one woman flashed another woman) so I guess they should be held to the same standards? I dunno.

It's one thing to be raped in a war environment, and an entirely different thing for a private company to ignore numerous complaints, silence any outcry, and lock someone in a shipping container.

Sure, this is legislation, and not all companies should be held liable, but this process should not be arbitration, but a court case.

Oh, and as for the insurance comment? Good. The company that insures them should have to pay, because clearly they didn't ensure basic accountability and standards. If rates go up for everyone else using that company for insurance, then we simply have a poor firm being removed from the market. I can't believe it's me who is arguing the benefits of the free market.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by Stoli

I can't believe it's me who is arguing the benefits of the free market.

Free markets allow for contracts, so technically you're not.

If contracts were respected the insurance company that insured them knew they wouldn't be held liable for a host of actions, such as rape, so they shouldn't, and won't be, punished for insuring a company that signs off on those liabilities.

I only mentioned insurance rates for everyone because people are acting like it's halliburton that should pay for this rape. Even though that's not ever gonna happen, we're just going to stop dealing with them until they change future contracts.

[Dickie4:20]

Sen. John Thune's weak and hypocritical argument to why he voted against the bill,

YouTube - John Thune on the rape amendment

YouTube - John Thune on the rape amendment

He believes in the corporations right to use binding arbitration to shut up victims of rape, but he is agaisnt the use of arbitrators in reforming how unions sign labor contracts.
Friends of John Thune, South Dakota U.S. Senator

[pineapple skunk]

/sigh