Right wing nutjobs urge truancy in school children for personal ends

[pinball wizard]

Conservative media take a strong stand against ... learning?!? | Media Matters for America

[Dronetek]

Obviously nobody has a problem with positive messages and the like. What they do have a problem with is Obama teaching kids his community organizer ways. Which is why Obama has backed off some of what he was going to say in the speech.

Of course media matters ignores this. Its their job to run cover for Democrats and attack their critics. Not report news. As Hillary Clinton said, "Media Matters is a counter to the right wing smear machine".

Obama told people to judge him by the people he surrounds himself with. Those people are racists, bigots, extremists and self described communist revolutionaries. What do you expect? If some white guy who went to a white theology church for 20 years that demonized blacks, would you trust him to talk to your kids?

[420420420]

Well, I agree with the fact that our public schools do subtly indoctrinate our kids (unbeknownst to the teachers).

What happened to turn on tune in drop out?

[BlueDom]

It's nuts how much propaganda both sides of your government spew at each other. Did anyone click the link to the article about Pat Buchanan defending Hitler? that shit is crazy...

[MountyBounty]

You don't have to stand for the pledge of alliegence so why would you have to watch Obama speak??

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by BlueDom

It's nuts how much propaganda both sides of your government spew at each other. Did anyone click the link to the article about Pat Buchanan defending Hitler? that shit is crazy...

You are a victim of propaganda.

I do not agree with Buchanan's arch-conservatism, but his revisionist analysis of WW2 is spot-on. He is not "defending" (that's just propaganda right there ) Hitler, he is saying the war was unnecessary, which it was.

Hitler did not want a world war, he wanted to reclaim Danzig. Poland did not negotiate with Hitler or Danzig (99% wanted to return to Germany) because they had a war guarantee with Britain, which Britain was dumb enough to keep.

Had Hitler known of Britains secret alliance with France he most certainly would never have marched on Danzig.

Mein Kempf does a pretty good job of outlining Hitler's aspirations, and his military ambitions don't extend beyond the East.

Churchill in 1948:
One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called. I said at once, "The Unnecessary War".

[Kylesa]

Just because Conservatives don't want to have their kids be FORCED to watch Obama indoctrinate them with his silver tongue doesn't mean they're opposed to learning, and whoever declared that is the case should be shot for stupidity.

[Dronetek]

Originally Posted by BlueDom

It's nuts how much propaganda both sides of your government spew at each other. Did anyone click the link to the article about Pat Buchanan defending Hitler? that shit is crazy...

The New York times is defending the NAZI's policies in an article just a few days ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/01/bu...leonhardt.html

In the summer of 1933, just as they will do on Thursday, heads of government and their finance ministers met in London to talk about a global economic crisis. They accomplished little and went home to battle the crisis in their own ways.

More than any other country, Germany — Nazi Germany — then set out on a serious stimulus program. The government built up the military, expanded the autobahn, put up stadiums for the 1936 Berlin Olympics and built monuments to the Nazi Party across Munich and Berlin.

The economic benefits of this vast works program never flowed to most workers, because fascism doesn’t look kindly on collective bargaining. But Germany did escape the Great Depression faster than other countries. Corporate profits boomed, and unemployment sank (and not because of slave labor, which didn’t become widespread until later). Harold James, an economic historian, says that the young liberal economists studying under John Maynard Keynes in the 1930s began to debate whether Hitler had solved unemployment.

Originally Posted by Kylesa

Just because Conservatives don't want to have their kids be FORCED to watch Obama indoctrinate them with his silver tongue doesn't mean they're opposed to learning, and whoever declared that is the case should be shot for stupidity.

The MSM keeps making it out as just a speech about working hard. The reality is Obama is giving teachers "learning material" to give to students and a lot of it sounds very weird. I definitely cant see people supporting that under Bush.

[MountyBounty]

here is some of the "learning material" that they will have to read




Some quotes from this book...

ver since Barack Obama was young, Hope has lived inside him. From the beaches of Hawaii to the streets of Chicago, from the jungles of Indonesia to the plains of Kenya, he has held on to Hope. Even as a boy, Barack knew he wasn’t quite like anybody else, but through his journeys he found the ability to listen to Hope and become what he was meant to be: a bridge to bring people together.

His mama, white as whipped cream; his daddy, black as ink…

e was there in Chicago because he cared about these people. They were his family. People in Kenya were his family. Indonesians were his family. And no matter where he was, the world was his home. And who he was could be summed up in one word: loveable.

On the horizon, at the dawn of a new age, there appeared a man who would be the embodiment of King’s dream — a presidential candidate whose very being was a bridge that joined nations.

He arrived here during a dark time in American history. All across America, people were losing their jobs, losing their houses, losing their sense of hope. Many people were tired of a war that had gone on too long. They were tired of fighting with their neighbors over politics. They were just tired.

Here was a man who spoke of “hope” and “change,” whose strong words lifted up the downhearted people and made them believe that the world was not beyond repair.

Puma08

[BlueDom]

Originally Posted by aaronman

You are a victim of propaganda.

I do not agree with Buchanan's arch-conservatism, but his revisionist analysis of WW2 is spot-on. He is not "defending" (that's just propaganda right there ) Hitler, he is saying the war was unnecessary, which it was.

Hitler did not want a world war, he wanted to reclaim Danzig. Poland did not negotiate with Hitler or Danzig (99% wanted to return to Germany) because they had a war guarantee with Britain, which Britain was dumb enough to keep.

Had Hitler known of Britains secret alliance with France he most certainly would never have marched on Danzig.

Churchill in 1948:
One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called. I said at once, "The Unnecessary War".

I know everything on that site is obviously blown out of proportion, if you read any of it you can tell.

But WW2 was completely neccesary. Unlike WW1, which was a pointless war that killed millions over greed, WW2 was a fight against pure evil.

Throughout the 1930s jews had their rights gradually taken away, Hitler massed his armies and in 1938 annexed Austria which the Treaty of Versailles said Germany could not do. If he didn't want war, why did he do this shit? Neville Chamberlain followed a policy of appeasement instead of war, and it only allowed Hitler to become more powerful.

All the blood shed in battle and the killing of 6 million jews was the unneccesary result of a neccesary war that everyone avoided until it was too late.

[pinball wizard]

Originally Posted by Dronetek

Obviously nobody has a problem with positive messages and the like. What they do have a problem with is Obama teaching kids his community organizer ways. Which is why Obama has backed off some of what he was going to say in the speech.

Of course media matters ignores this. Its their job to run cover for Democrats and attack their critics. Not report news. As Hillary Clinton said, "Media Matters is a counter to the right wing smear machine".

Obama told people to judge him by the people he surrounds himself with. Those people are racists, bigots, extremists and self described communist revolutionaries. What do you expect? If some white guy who went to a white theology church for 20 years that demonized blacks, would you trust him to talk to your kids?

I'm sorry, but "community organizer" is simply not a bad phrase, and using it as such really buttfucks any actual message the rest of your post may have had.

As the article mentions, bush and others have done the exact same things, if a parent has a problem they can request that the school have their child somewhere without a television during the speech.

*edit* I didn't mean to imply that I agree with that site, I usually avoid them for their sensationalism, but the point of this was calling out how fucking crazy it is to tell kids to skip school because of a televised address airing that day.

[littlefoot]

Seriously though, what is he going to "indoctrinate" your child with in a small speech at school, if anythng you can just tell them that he's an evil commie when they get home.

[pinball wizard]

Originally Posted by aaronman

You are a victim of propaganda.

I do not agree with Buchanan's arch-conservatism, but his revisionist analysis of WW2 is spot-on. He is not "defending" (that's just propaganda right there ) Hitler, he is saying the war was unnecessary, which it was.

Hitler did not want a world war, he wanted to reclaim Danzig. Poland did not negotiate with Hitler or Danzig (99% wanted to return to Germany) because they had a war guarantee with Britain, which Britain was dumb enough to keep.

Had Hitler known of Britains secret alliance with France he most certainly would never have marched on Danzig.

Mein Kempf does a pretty good job of outlining Hitler's aspirations, and his military ambitions don't extend beyond the East.

Churchill in 1948:
One day President Roosevelt told me that he was asking publicly for suggestions about what the war should be called. I said at once, "The Unnecessary War".

...Um yes, germany did want a war, if they had not, they would not have brazenly provoked one, by violating a rather recent treaty and INVADING PLACES, you know...

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by pinball wizard

As the article mentions, bush and others have done the exact same things, if a parent has a problem they can request that the school have their child somewhere without a television during the speech.

Yea, if it were McCain brainwashing kids about nationalism and servitude to the state, the success of the Dept of Education and their importance in our future, yadayada... Republicans wouldn't give a shit.

GW Bush did not have televised commercials in schools, neither did Clinton. That Obama would re-start this tactic 18 years later, during one of the most divided periods of American history, suggests to me that his speech will have political undertones.

[littlefoot]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Yea, if it were McCain brainwashing kids about nationalism and servitude to the state, the success of the Dept of Education and their importance in our future, yadayada... Republicans wouldn't give a shit.

GW Bush did not have televised commercials in schools, neither did Clinton. That Obama would re-start this tactic 18 years later, during one of the most divided periods of American history, suggests to me that his speech will have political undertones.

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