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Old 06-03-2009, 03:09 PM
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We are already at war with Iran

Obama talks peace with Iran, but what's he doing under the radar?

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In public, when it comes to the Iranian question, President Obama is all sweet reason and kissy-face. His recent video message to the Iranian people was just what the doctor ordered. However, this public performance is severely undercut by an ongoing covert program aimed at regime-change in Tehran – or, at least, at undermining the Iranian regime to such an extent that it must respond in some way.

This covert action program, reported by Seymour Hersh last year, was started by the Bush administration and funded to the tune of $400 million. The U.S. is, in effect, conducting a secret war against Tehran, a covert campaign aimed at recruiting Iran’s ethnic and religious minorities – who make up the majority of the population in certain regions, such as in the southeast borderlands near Pakistan – into a movement to topple the government in Tehran, or, at least, to create so much instability that U.S. intervention to "keep order" in the region is justified. Given recent events in Iran – a suicide bombing in the southeast province of Sistan-Baluchistan and at least two other incidents – the effort is apparently ongoing.

A suicide-bomber blast, which occurred inside a mosque in the city of Zahedan, killed at least 30 people: a rebel Sunni group with reported links to the U.S. claimed responsibility. The Iranian government immediately accused the U.S. and Israel of being behind the attack. The violence was very shortly followed up by attacks on banks, water-treatment facilities, and other key installations in and around Zahedan, including a strike against the local campaign headquarters of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Add to this an attempted bombing of an Iranian airliner, which took off from the southwestern city of Ahvaz, and you have a small-scale insurgency arising on Iran’s eastern frontier.

The Iranians, confronted with peace overtures from Washington, can be blamed for wondering if the war against them has already begun.

A recent op-ed piece in the New York Times by Flynt and Hillary Mann Leverett opines that President Obama’s "Iran policy has, in all likelihood, already failed" due to America’s covert actions in Iran. In the current debate within the administration over what course to take with Iran, hard-liners like Dennis Ross – special envoy for the region – argue that Iran’s lack of a positive response to Obama’s overtures are evidence the whole effort is futile, and that it’s time to start thinking about harsh sanctions and military action. The Leveretts, however, have a different take:

"But this ignores the real reason Iranian leaders have not responded to the new president more enthusiastically: the Obama administration has done nothing to cancel or repudiate an ostensibly covert but well-publicized program, begun in President George W. Bush’s second term, to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to destabilize the Islamic Republic. Under these circumstances, the Iranian government – regardless of who wins the presidential elections on June 12 – will continue to suspect that American intentions toward the Islamic Republic remain, ultimately, hostile."

Last year, the same terrorist group behind the Zahedan suicide bomb blast kidnapped 16 Iranian policemen and videotaped their execution. The video was played on al-Arabiya television.

Imagine if, say, the governments of Mexico and the U.S. were engaged in talks aimed at improving relations between the two countries and all the while the former was funding and arming terrorist groups that were sowing death and destruction in America’s southwestern cities. Imagine if these terrorists seized 16 American cops and, when the U.S. refused to negotiate with the hostage-takers, murdered them and posted the grisly proceedings on YouTube. The reaction would be so swift and deadly that the Mexicans wouldn’t know what hit them.

Little wonder, then, that there hasn’t been much of a response to Obama’s peace feelers. In this context, it’s only a matter of time before hard-liners in Tehran gain the upper hand and launch a provocation – aimed, perhaps, at U.S. forces in Iraq – that precludes any negotiating process and sets us on a course for war.

In mounting a campaign to destabilize Iran, the U.S. is allying itself with some pretty loathsome elements. Jundallah, for example, is a Sunni militant organization, created to establish a Baluchi Islamic state in southeastern Iran and parts of Pakistan. One of the founding members of Jundallah was allegedly Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the al-Qaeda operational commander of 9/11 attacks, who was arrested in 2003 in Pakistan and is now in U.S. custody.

The current leader of Jundallah, Abdolmalek Rigi, is a bloodthirstymaniac even by the standards of the region. In an interview with Dan Rather, Rigi showed a video in which he personally beheaded his own brother-in-law, al-Qaeda-style.

Rigi denies having a separatist agenda and claims he wants to establish a "United States of Iran," presumably with more autonomy for Iranian Baluchistan. He also denies links to al-Qaeda and the Taliban, and he characterizes Jundallah – which has since changed its name to the Iranian People’s Resistance Movement – as an Islamic "awakening" movement.

This "awakening" parlance should be all too familiar to Middle East observers: it is the same sort of "awakening" that energized the U.S. military "surge" in Iraq, made possible by an American alliance with Sunni tribes who claimed to have been awakened to the danger posed by al-Qaeda. Substitute Iran for al-Qaeda, and you have the echoes of the Sunni-card strategy being played by the U.S. and Israel throughout the region. Support for Jundallah fits in nicely with the effort to forge an anti-Iranian united front, bringing together the U.S. and its Sunni allies in the region, with the Israelis providing backup and (largely covert) support.

Obama, with his peace overtures, serves as the smiley-face mask for some pretty loathsome activities. The U.S. government claims to be fighting terrorism, yet is sponsoring groups that plant bombs in mosques, kidnap tourists as well as Iranian policemen, and fund their activities with drug-running in addition to covert subsidies courtesy of the U.S. taxpayers. The recent suicide bombing in Zahedan was the work of Jundallah. These are war crimes, carried out with the full knowledge of the leaders of both parties in Congress, paid for by you and me, and conducted in our name.

What’s even more outrageous is that the Obama administration, far from decrying or even trying to distance itself from such activities, is endorsing and expanding this style of warfare by appointing Lt. Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal to head up U.S. military operations in Afghanistan. McChrystal was formerly commander of the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC), a secret army of special-ops commandos who murdered, tortured, and kidnapped suspected terrorists throughout the world.

McChrystal’s appointment is part of the "new thinking" in the Pentagon that goes under the general rubric of COIN [.pdf], which emphasizes the political alongside the military as an essential element of successful counterinsurgency operations. The Jundallah operation reeks of this new counterinsurgency doctrine – championed by Democratic think-tanks and Iraq commander David Petraeus – that’s all the rage in the Obama administration. I’m thinking, in particular, of Jundallah’s recent name-change: I wonder what Pentagon contractor came up with "Iranian People’s Resistance Movement."

What’s going on in Iran today – a sustained campaign of terrorism directed against civilians and government installations alike – is proof positive that nothing has really changed much in Washington, as far as U.S. policy toward Iran is concerned. We are on a collision course with Tehran, and both sides know it. Obama’s public "reaching out" to the Iranians is a fraud of epic proportions. While it’s true that our covert terrorist attacks on Iran were initiated under the Bush regime, under Obama we’re seeing no letup in these sorts of incidents; if anything, they’ve increased in frequency and severity.

Of course, we hear nothing about this from the U.S. media, Seymour Hersh excepted. All we get from them, and from the "progressive" community, for that matter, is cheerleading for the administration. Every time he betrays them, the limousine liberals and their media amen corner blame it on bad advisers, the Republicans, or the iron necessity of "moderating" his liberal politics in the name of "pragmatism." Yet in a situation such as this, when the first shots of a war against Iran are being fired, one has to ask: doesn’t the president know about this – and, if so, does he approve?

Well, of course he knows, you dummy – it wouldn’t be happening if he didn’t give the green light, now would it?

Those who dread the prospect of war with Iran and hope to avoid it are a bit tardy in their concerns. I have news for these people: we’re already at war with Iran, and have been for quite a while. It’s only a matter of time, and circumstance, before it becomes official.
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Old 06-03-2009, 04:10 PM
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Re: We are already at war with Iran

Nice post.

Who would benefit most from a major war in the middle east?

Obama works for the same people that Bush did and I am not taling about us.

Isn't it obvious by now?


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Obama is completley discredited. He will likely rally around a crisis, and promote nationalism and fascism, who else did that in the last 8 years, and where did it get us?
 
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Re: We are already at war with Iran

That's really fucked...

Why isn't Iran calling us out on this shit, constantly? I haven't heard anything about this on the news (other than that op-ed piece)
 
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That's really fucked...

Why isn't Iran calling us out on this shit, constantly? I haven't heard anything about this on the news (other than that op-ed piece)

I'd tell you why but you would not believe me.
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That's really fucked...

Why isn't Iran calling us out on this shit, constantly? I haven't heard anything about this on the news (other than that op-ed piece)
They don't report it on American mainstream news.

Edit: They do report the "unprovoked" replies though. (And of course with some good old healthy bias, selective vision, and limited airtime. )

(To be clear, I don't think most reporters are satanists nor do I think they know much of anything, they are just airheads that have too little interest in the proper research it takes to be a good reporter. Destined to eat up the manipulative AP crap and report it to us with their usual blank superficial stare.)

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That's really fucked...

Why isn't Iran calling us out on this shit, constantly? I haven't heard anything about this on the news (other than that op-ed piece)
It's out there, it just isn't as big a story as a plane crash or Dick Cheney.

Fox News: Iran Blames US for Deadly Mosque Attack

NYT: Official Blames US for Bombing

Reuters: US Rejects Iran Accusation


While the Western Media will report the accusations and state denial, they will not mention the not-so-covert $400 million dollar operation started by Bush.
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Nice article. I hope people will realize Obama is as a big as a warhawk as Bush was. He is increasing the amount of troops we have over in the Middle East (so much for his "promise" to withdraw from Iraq). All he is doing is playing around the numbers. I recently posted in the GC Gazette that he has deployed 29% more private contractors over there than Bush did.

Edit: Mercenaries now account for 50% of the "troops" that we have over there.
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Re: We are already at war with Iran

It all just seems so counterproductive... Iran is not going to be toppled just because we're funding that type of shit; from what I understand it's a pretty powerful state. This stuff is just going to annoy them and make our reputation with their leaders even worse.
 
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Well they have been killing our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. I definitely think there are some proxy things going back and forth.
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It all just seems so counterproductive... Iran is not going to be toppled just because we're funding that type of shit; from what I understand it's a pretty powerful state.
If we don't destabilize their government, at the very least we'll get them to retaliate, whether through funding counter-terrorist groups or a military attack.

This is how Israel expands its territory, by inciting a provocation (ie Gaza blockade).

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I know you may not believe it, but our economy depends on warring and we are always looking for new fights. Not only do we rely on it for production and employment, but for the security of our AAA credit rating.
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I know you may not believe it, but our economy depends on warring and we are always looking for new fights. Not only do we rely on it for production and employment, but for the security of our AAA credit rating.
This.
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Well they have been killing our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. I definitely think there are some proxy things going back and forth.
Source?

I know when 9/11 first happened Iran was totally supportive of the US response. Somewhere along the way we decided we didn't want there help and turned them into our enemies. I'll try and find some info. Edit: The "Grand Bargain" of 2003
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I know when 9/11 first happened Iran was totally supportive of the US response. Somewhere along the way we decided we didn't want there help and turned them into our enemies. I'll try and find some info. Edit: The "Grand Bargain" of 2003
I read it here in the first paragraph.

Do you really expect them not to try and undermine us in Afghanistan and especially Iraq? If you are going as far as to accuse the US of doing a proxy war against Iran, why would Iran doing it against the US in its neighboring country be unfeasible?
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Do you really expect them not to try and undermine us in Afghanistan and especially Iraq? If you are going as far as to accuse the US of doing a proxy war against Iran, why would Iran doing it against the US in its neighboring country be unfeasible?
I just wanted a source, not saying I wouldn't believe it. So they sell weapons to anti-Israeli groups... I'm sure America arms them too. What good would a for-profit-war be if our enemies didn't have decent weaponry?

What do you think about the 2003 grand bargain, would they still be doing 'proxy war' if we had negotiated with them? Obviously they see us as a threat because of the way we treat them, calling them "evil" at every chance, and I think they reacted defensively in attempting to disturb America's struggle for Iraqi supremacy. I think it's pretty clear they are on our list of oil rich nations to invade and occupy.

Then again, their actions would only be comparable if they were funding terrorist groups in America... which they are not. We are the only ones to fund terrorism in America.
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