When did conspiracy theorists become so gullible

True conspiracies that have been substantiated have been so muddied by the theories that lack evidence that the whole "movement" has lost credibility

I plainly do NOT trust the government. I just feel like they government has definitely given reason for DISTRUST, without giving reason for TRUST.

Some conspiracies are VERY real:
-- The government/CIA pushes drugs in the United States
-- There is a conspiracy behind Alien/UFO phenomena
-- Mystery surrounding WTC building 7
-- Mystery of the Kennedy Assassination
-- MK-ULTRA

the list could go on forever. my point is there are REAL conspiracies that are taking place/have taken place. there's evidence for days, yet so many people are so quick to call conspiracy on any number of things without any evidence to support their position. chemtrails, swine flu, etc.

TLDR: teenage conspiracy theorists that zeitgeist, alex jones, etc. have bred need to realize they sound stupid outside of their other teenage conspiracy theorist friends

I think the truth is that we weren't in the past or places we read about, so we don't know the "facts" in that sense. Nonetheless, we do know that something is wrong about human existence and the state of governance. We do feel something is fundamentally wrong, and most people would like to fix something about their social reality. Are humans just meant to be discontented? I'd like to believe this isn't the case, but based on personal experience there seems to be no true way to totally transcend those negative feelings except to accept death at some point, i.e. just to let it be.

The truth is simply that the conspiratorial view of history has proven time and time again to be the correct view. "Conspiracy theorists" as you call them can actually reason and decide what information is true and what is bs, when you stop watching mainstream media you will understand, from them you get about 70% truth and even that is spun around and distorted. If like being lied to thats great, Waco, OKlahoma city, 911 etc.

The truth is simply that the conspiratorial view of history has proven time and time again to be the correct view. "Conspiracy theorists" as you call them can actually reason and decide what information is true and what is bs, when you stop watching mainstream media you will understand, from them you get about 70% truth and even that is spun around and distorted. If like being lied to thats great, Waco, OKlahoma city, 911 etc.

again. another teenage conspiracy theorist proving me correct.

i know about waco. i know they slaughtered david koresh and his followers in waco under the consent of janet reno, and most likely the president as well.

but don't act as if there's complete inconclusive evidence for things like the Oklahoma City bombings and 911. (though i do think timothy mcveigh was a patsy in the same sense oswald was)

EDIT: and what do you even mean by conspiratorial world view? that can come in varying degrees. alex jones, for example, is generally WRONG. he is a fear monger. he holds a conspiratorial world view, and he's a fucking idiot.

Edited by sublime8992, 03 May 2009 - 04:29 PM.

I was merely emphasizing the half truths and lies the media presents on conspiracy issues. There is inconclusive evidence but enough to say that government did perpetrate these things on purpose, with 911 you have samples of nano thermite present, that should not be there period, plus you have the countless images in movies before the event took place, to tell me 911 was not an inside job is laughable. Bush gave his new world order speech on 9 11 2001, exactly 10 years before it happpened. I don't care about okc, that is debatable, but still a conspiracy. I hope we can atleast agree on 911, anyways that is the biggest one of all.

A conspiratorial world view recognizes the element of economic determination in policy making. All established governments are corrupted by wealth seekers, and their policy represents their interests more often than not.

Almost every action of the US government and their pals has a hidden financial motive, they do nothing for the long term interests of their people.

Government's through central banking and the guise of socialism have become conspiracies against the taxpayers.

The fact that there are more kiddie conspiracy theorists is just a sign of the times.

I was merely emphasizing the half truths and lies the media presents on conspiracy issues. There is inconclusive evidence but enough to say that government did perpetrate these things on purpose, with 911 you have samples of nano thermite present, that should not be there period, plus you have the countless images in movies before the event took place, to tell me 911 was not an inside job is laughable. Bush gave his new world order speech on 9 11 2001, exactly 10 years before it happpened. I don't care about okc, that is debatable, but still a conspiracy. I hope we can atleast agree on 911, anyways that is the biggest one of all.

obviously there's a lot of mystery surrounding 9/11. 2 planes hit 2 towers, yet 3 buildings fell. niels harrit's 9/11 theory has not picked up as much steam as i expected to.

but the main point i'm getting at in all of this, is that people are looking for reasons to revolt, and the most sensationalist conspiracy theories they can find when there's much more important matters going on.

people are worrying about swine flu, when we STILL don't know where the Fed sent $2 trillion dollars anonymously.

Yet you make use of the VERY SAME logical fallacies that others do. Your tirade has nothing to do with gullibility, empiricism or logic validity; it has to do with your personal dogmatic convictions.

This thread blew a gasket before it even got airborne.

Yet you make use of the VERY SAME logical fallacies that others do. Your tirade has nothing to do with gullibility, empiricism or logic validity; it has to do with your personal dogmatic convictions.

This thread blew a gasket before it even got airborne.

wrong on many levels. attempts to sound more intelligent--without providing anything of substance to the conversation are lost on me.

I think it's basically just a product of modern society.

People have a virtually unlimited amount of information at their fingertips because of the internet. It used to be that when you wanted to learn about something, you went to the library and researched it, or talked to someone knowledgeable on the subject. Now you just get on the internet in your home, school, or workplace and type in a few keywords. With some very basic computer skills, it's easy to find a plethora of good and bad information about anything you want to know.

In a way, I think it's almost too easy. Our culture proves to be a kind of information overload for some people. They're too lazy or afraid or intimidated to accept the complexity of reality, and instead turn to a simpler, very narrow viewpoint of the world. In other words, the fact that we know so much about our reality as a culture makes us unwilling to accept it as individuals.

I believe it is our instinct as a species to crave knowledge. But when so much knowledge is so easily accessible, we feel unsatisfied.

with a plethora of unsubstantiated claims that try to make themselves look legit, it seems as if there's a lot more bad information out there than good information

my problem is that so many people approach the subject as if they've learned some universal truth that makes them superior to everyone else; like they stumbled upon some big secret to the way the world works.

like they stumbled upon some big secret to the way the world works.

Conspiracies are how the world works.

The problem is when you can't see a conspiracy from a coincidence, and then you get that superior mentality that everybody else is a sheep if they disagree with you.

Conspiracies are how the world works.

The problem is when you can't see a conspiracy from a coincidence, and then you get that superior mentality that everybody else is a sheep if they disagree with you.

yeah, that's the mentality i'm talking about. a superiority complex that makes them forget that there's millions of people paying taxes in this world, who must also see something wrong with current institutions in the world today.

I don't see myself among a small group of people who know the truth. People are a product of their environment and if all they hear are lies and propaganda then its extremely difficult to be aware of a grand conspiracy. The capstone of all of this the banking system, the federal reserve, is we disbanded it and money was truly in the hands of the people we could change this paradigm, the real conspiracy is the capitalist conspiracy, other conspiracies like 911, UFOs, MK Ultra are not really substantiated with enough evidence to hold anyone accountable, the one that holds the system together is the corrupt private banking system. So support HR 1207 and audit these bitches!

So support HR 1207 and audit these bitches!

True conspiracies that have been substantiated have been so muddied by the theories that lack evidence that the whole "movement" has lost credibility

I plainly do NOT trust the government. I just feel like they government has definitely given reason for DISTRUST, without giving reason for TRUST.

Some conspiracies are VERY real:
-- The government/CIA pushes drugs in the United States
-- There is a conspiracy behind Alien/UFO phenomena
-- Mystery surrounding WTC building 7
-- Mystery of the Kennedy Assassination
-- MK-ULTRA

the list could go on forever. my point is there are REAL conspiracies that are taking place/have taken place. there's evidence for days, yet so many people are so quick to call conspiracy on any number of things without any evidence to support their position. chemtrails, swine flu, etc.

TLDR: teenage conspiracy theorists that zeitgeist, alex jones, etc. have bred need to realize they sound stupid outside of their other teenage conspiracy theorist friends

wow buddy......i love how you're conspiracy theories are 'VERY REAL'

wow buddy......i love how you're conspiracy theories are 'VERY REAL'

lol everything i posted has substantial evidence that points to the contrary of official government explanations.

wrong on many levels. attempts to sound more intelligent--without providing anything of substance to the conversation are lost on me.

personal incredulity, lacking empirical evidence, ad ignorantiam, ad populum, ad verecundium. These are basic components of most main stream interpretations of the "theories" you just outlined. There's an entire laundry list of fallacies that crop up, depending on the specific arguments.

I've spent all to much time picking out the fallacious logic of others. Most of them get offended by dissent, entrench their position, and become hopelessly dogmatic.

You're already doing exactly that by starting off a post saying "wrong on many levels". There is no investigation there, it's a statement of personal conviction.

Show me something nearing critical, methodological thinking and I'll consider opening a conversation on these individual subjects. Otherwise I'm wasting my time and bandwidth.

Scientific skepticism is your friend. I know it's easy to give into certain ideas or concepts, especially when it feels like it validates your political interests. I too once felt this way. It's only when you intentionally create a schism between your analysis and your interests that other people are going to take you seriously.

You should try spending time in an academic environment. I think it would help.

Edited by Sam_Spade, 03 May 2009 - 07:28 PM.

The banking elite have an agenda for a one world socialist boundaryless scientific dictatorship! How can you refute the evidence supporting this fact? If this happens everything about life, liberty and happiness dissappears. You have no rights anymore, no soveriegnty! If you want to live this way, than so be it. This NWO agenda must fail, it can only succeed if the people allow it to. I hope this at least one thing we can agree upon. I beg of you, do not trust the UN or any other globalist organization.

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The banking elite have an agenda for a one world socialist boundaryless scientific dictatorship! How can you refute the evidence supporting this fact? If this happens everything about life, liberty and happiness dissappears. You have no rights anymore, no soveriegnty! If you want to live this way, than so be it. This NWO agenda must fail, it can only succeed if the people allow it to. I hope this at least one thing we can agree upon. I beg of you, do not trust the UN or any other globalist organization.

what is inherently wrong with globalization?

and Sam_Spade, i do see the error in my ways and the way i was going about this topic. i do believe the point i am trying to articulate is valid and true. i hope you can accept my apology, it's just that i tend to get angry when i read someone's comments as cryptic more than helpful.