H1N1 (aka Swine Flu) Discussion.

[cspcdawg]

Over the past few days i have been researching this topic over various sources that i will present to you.

Swine Flu Smoking Gun? CDC was Combining Flu Viruses in 2004

(NaturalNews) Last week, when what is now called a "swine flu" was first reported to be infecting and killing some people in Mexico, health officials noted it was a strain of flu never before seen. In fact, it is technically incorrect to call this simply a "swine" flu. Analyses showed it's a mixture of swine, human and avian viruses, according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). Moreover, it is genetically different from the fully human H1N1 seasonal influenza virus that has been circulating globally for the past few years. Bottom line: the new flu virus contains DNA from avian, swine viruses (including elements from European and Asian viruses) and human viruses.

So did this curious mixture just develop naturally, out of the blue? Is it the result of inhumane farming practices, as the Humane Society of the United States (http://www.hsus.org/) has suggested, that exposes immune-compromised pigs to all sorts of animal and human feces?

Well, maybe. But let's go back and look at the facts to see if any other scenario could be possible.

First of all, there's the troublesome detail that the virus has elements that come from multiple continents. Then there's the fact that true swine flu is only rarely transmissible to humans -- this flu is spreading human-to-human, most likely because it contains DNA from human flu.

Could someone have deliberately mixed these viruses together? Is that possible? Absolutely.

Was this virus mixing being done artificially in the lab, or had it already been done? Yes.

Who was blending potentially viruses in labs? Were those horrible generic boogie men known to Americans far and wide as "terrorists" doing it? There's no proof of bioterrorism at work here yet. However, there is evidence the United States government has been working on concocting new flu virus blends.

So could the hysteria-provoking, new swine flu have escaped from a lab? Or was it deliberately released as some kind of test? When these kinds of questions are asked, the knee-jerk reaction of the mainstream media (MSM) is to giggle and talk about "conspiracy theories" and to joke about wearing tinfoil hats.

But here's the potential smoking gun, the facts that suggest a potential source of the pandemic could be CDC labs. And at the very least, this possibility deserves thoughtful examination and research.

The University of Minnesota Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) is hardly a place most Americans have heard about and, apparently, the Center's web site has news the MSM isn't familiar with, either. But information they published years ago has now taken on an urgent importance. CIDRAP, along with the Canadian newspaper Canadian Press (CP), revealed back in 2004 that the CDC was launching experiments designed to mix the H5N1 (avian) virus and human flu viruses. The goal was to find out how likely it was such a "reassortant" virus would emerge and just how dangerous it might be. Of course, it's logical to wonder if they also worked with the addition of a swine flu virus, too.

Here's some background from the five-year-old report by the University of Minnesota research center: "One of the worst fears of infectious disease experts is that the H5N1 avian influenza virus now circulating in parts of Asia will combine with a human-adapted flu virus to create a deadly new flu virus that could spread around the world. That could happen, scientists predict, if someone who is already infected with an ordinary flu virus contracts the avian virus at the same time. The avian virus has already caused at least 48 confirmed human illness cases in Asia, of which 35 have been fatal. The virus has shown little ability to spread from person to person, but the fear is that a hybrid could combine the killing power of the avian virus with the transmissibility of human flu viruses. Now, rather than waiting to see if nature spawns such a hybrid, US scientists are planning to try to breed one themselves -- in the name of preparedness."

And CDC officials actually confirmed the government had plans for the research. The CIDRAP News folks did a great job covering this important issue, which was apparently mostly ignored by the MSM back in 2004, and CIDRAP News wrote to the CDC for information. This e-mail produced an answer from CDC spokesman David Daigle who admitted the CDC was working on the project in two ways. "One is to infect cells in a laboratory tissue culture with H5N1 and human flu viruses at the same time and then watch to see if they mix. For the human virus, investigators will use A (H3N2), the strain that has caused most human flu cases in recent years," the CIDRAP story stated. This co-infection approach was described as slow and labor-intensive. However, it was a way to produce a new virus that appeared to be closer to what develops in nature.

There was another, faster way CDC scientists could create the mix, too. Called reverse genetics, it involves piecing together a new virus with genes from the H5N1 and H3N2 viruses. Reverse genetics had already been used successfully to create H5N1 candidate vaccines in several laboratories, the CDC's Daigle wrote. "Any viable viruses that emerge from these processes will be seeded into animals that are considered good models for testing how flu viruses behave in humans... The aim will be to observe whether the animals get sick and whether infected animals can infect others," he revealed in his e-mail.

What's more, the CP reported the CDC had already made hybrid viruses with H5N1 samples isolated from patients in Hong Kong in 1997, when there was the first outbreak of that virus, dubbed the "Hong Kong flu". It is not clear if the results of that research were ever published. Back in 2004, Dr. Nancy Cox, then head of the CDC's influenza branch, would tell the CP only: "Some gene combinations could be produced and others could not."

The CP's report noted that the World Health Organization (WHO) had been "pleading" for laboratories to do this blending-of-viruses research. The reason? If successful, these flu mixes would back up WHO's warnings about the possibility of a flu pandemic. In fact, Klaus Stohr, head of the WHO's global flu program at the time, told the CP that if the experiments were successful in producing highly transmissible and pathogenic viruses, the agency would be even more worried -- but if labs couldn't create these mixed flu viruses, then the agency might have to ratchet down its level of concern.

The 2004 CIDRAP News report addressed the obvious risks of manufacturing viruses in labs that, if released, could potentially spark a pandemic. However, the CDC's Daigle assured the Minnesota research group the virus melding would be done in a biosafety level 3 (BSL-3) laboratory. "We recognize that there is concern by some over this type of work. This concern may be heightened by reports of recent lab exposures in other lab facilities," he told CIDRAP. "But CDC has an incredible record in lab safety and is taking very strict precautions."

Five years later, we must ask more questions. Were those safety measures enough? Was the CDC creating or testing any of these virus mixes in or near Mexico? What other potentially deadly virus combinations has the US government created? Don't US citizens, as taxpayers who funded these experiments, have a right to know? And for all the residents of planet earth faced with a potentially deadly global epidemic, isn't it time for the truth?

For more information:
"New flu is a genetic mix", http://www.reuters.com/article/dome...

"CDC to mix avian, flu viruses", http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/co...

"CDC to conduct avian flu pandemic experiements", http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...




CDC Laboratories Revealed as Incapable of Accurate Count of H1N1 Influenza Infections, Deaths by Mike Adams the Health Ranger

NaturalNews) Much to the annoyance of some critics, NaturalNews has been publicly questioning the "official" statistics reporting infections and deaths from H1N1 influenza. In stories published this week, we noted that the CDC's official numbers are suspiciously low -- the agency claimed only 7 deaths from H1N1 even while Mexico had officially announced 161 deaths.

Today, NaturalNews has learned why the CDC numbers are so low. It turns out that CDC labs are inadequate testing facilities that are utterly overwhelmed with too many influenza samples to test. Thus, the reason why official CDC "confirmed" H1N1 death numbers are so low is simply because the CDC laboratories can't test very many flu samples in the first place.

And remember this: The CDC doesn't count any death unless its own lab confirms the infection. But its own lab can only test 100 flu samples a day, we've learned!

CDC labs are "swamped," reports the Associated Press. "The specimens are coming in faster than they can possibly be tested," reports epidemiologist Dr. Jeffrey P. Davis, according to AP.

Other astonishing facts worth noting:

• New York has had to limit its testing of influenza because too many samples are coming in. "Sure, we'd want to diagnose every case, but we don't have that resource," said Dr. Don Weiss.

• U.S. states have no way to test for H1N1 on their own. They must send samples to the CDC, and the CDC lab can only test about 100 samples a day. (Source: Michael Shaw, associate director for laboratory science at the CDC.)

• "Many labs are overrun," says AP, to the point where they are only testing samples that come from people who traveled to Mexico. Other samples are simply ignored or thrown out.

• AP also reports this quote: "The capacity of the state laboratories to test all the swabs is being exceeded..." - Dr. Paul Jarris of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials.

• The acting director of the CDC has admitted it may stop testing influenza samples altogether! Why? They say it's more important to focus on detection of community outbreaks than to get an exact count of H1N1 deaths. Thus, the "death count" becomes an abandoned number that loses any scientific credibility at all.


Why the CDC cannot produce accurate numbers

From all this, it should be abundantly clear that not only was NaturalNews correct in stating that the CDC's numbers are artificially low, but also that the CDC is incapable of determining accurate numbers due to the severe limitations of its laboratories. In fact, the CDC openly admits this fact.

Thus, all those people and reporters who downplay H1N1 influenza by saying, "It's only killed 7 people" are delusional. The real truth of the matter is that the number of people killed by H1N1 greatly exceeds these "official" numbers, and yet we'll never know by how much because no one apparently has the laboratory bandwidth to make this determination.

From a scientific standpoint, then, the only truly accurate statement that can be made about this is that H1N1 deaths are greater than six. How much greater? No one knows.

Why does any of this matter? Because people are under the great misimpression that H1N1 has killed "only" 7 people (or 10 as of today, as the CDC has added 3 deaths to its "confirmed" list). Therefore, people say, it's no big deal.

But the number of "confirmed" deaths is merely the product of an overwhelmed, under-staffed CDC laboratory system that is backlogged beyond all hope and can't even get to most of the samples it's being sent. Those who claim that websites, states or individuals are "overreacting to a virus that has only killed 7 people" are kidding themselves. The number of dead is much, much higher than what the CDC has been able to confirm.


During this whole week while watching the shitty news i was always questing why is the media so hyped up about this but the numbers are low? I mean come on 3,000 people die each day of malaria. Mass Murder? Could it be? Tamiflu and masks arent gonna protect you. I'm gonna put this in simple terms here. The N95 masks that you see all over the media arent really doing what they claim to do. You see the masks dont protect the wearer there designed so you dont spread the virus.

Case in point: All those people buying N95 masks (respirators).

They think wearing a mask protects them from swine flu. The mainstream media perpetuates the myth, broadcasting images of people wearing the masks, all while talking about people "protecting themselves" from swine flu. If it wasn't a potentially life-and-death situation, it would all be quite hilarious.

But let me ask you a question: Have you ever had surgery or visited a surgery room? Did you ever notice that the surgeons and medical staff are all wearing surgical masks that are very similar to the N95 face masks being used by people afraid of swine flu?

Did you ever wonder WHY they are wearing those masks? Here's the question: Are they wearing those masks to protect themselves from the patient's germs? Of course not! They're wearing those masks to prevent their own germs from infecting the patient!

Myth Busted: N95 Masks Are Useless at Protecting Wearers from Swine Flu by Mike Adams the Health Ranger.




Now about Tamiflu:

What is Tamiflu?

Known by the trade name Tamiflu, Oseltamivir is a designed to treat flu symptoms after initial onset marketed to all individuals over one year of age. It functions by serving as an inhibitor to the proteins that a virus requires to break out of cells upon mass replication within the cell body - which presumably wind up dieing out within their cellular prison. The end result is that if taken within 48 hours of the onset of symtoms, it can reduce the duration of the illness by about 30% or 1.3 days. It has been recommended as a mechanism to offset symptoms as well as preventative medication in communities with a suspected outbreak of the so called "Epidemic" flus of the past decade - from Avian Flu to the present Swine Flu.

Who distributes Tamiflu and how is it manufactured?

Oseltamivir is manufactured of llicium floridanum, or Chinese Star Anise, an herb indigenous to southeast Asia. During a 10 step process which takes a year to complete and involves some fairly precarious high explosive work, Shikimic acid is extracted from the plant and serves as the active ingredient in Tamiflu. It is refined into oral capsules as well as a spray for inhalation, and an injectable delivery is presently being tested.

In a slightly off topic note, a warning was initiated by the FDA back in 2003 to avoid Star Anise teas, which were being marketed increasingly in the wake of the initial flu pandemic fears, due to an outbreak of illnesses including serious neurological effects such as seizures, vomiting, jitteriness and rapid eye movement. It was believed to be caused due to a contamination of Japanese Star Anise, a similar species of tree which is a known poison.

Oseltamivir itself was invented by Gilead Sciences Inc. in 1996, and due to lackluster sales the commercial and manufacturing rights were quickly sold to Roche of Switzerland - named top corporate criminal of the 90's by the Multinational Monitor - in exchange for annual royalties. Four years ago a dispute was settled in which Gilead charged Roche with failing to adequately promote and produce the drug as well as contamination issues and invoked a contract clause to demand the return of all commercial and manufacturing rights, which was settled by a payment of retroactive royalties as well as the creation of a body to promote globalized production of generic Tamiflu - somewhat coicidently in stride with a renewed burst of fear mongering in the media provoking a massive stockpiling of the drug. In the time since, amidst fears of global pandemic, stockpiling has gone global with countries everywhere scrambling to purchase the drug, which sells for upwards of 100$ a dose - with the increased demand leading to Roche much of the production process - setting the stage for windfall profits.


What are the side effects of Tamiflu?


"Adverse drug reactions include: nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, and headache - rarer reactions include hepatitis and liver disorder, rash, severe allergic reactions, and Stephen-Johnson Syndrome (often fatal detachment of skin)... other ADRs reported in post-marketing surveillance including: toxic epidermal necrolysis (skin falling off), irregular heartbeat, seizure, confusion, abnormal behavior, inability to walk, convulsion, loss of consciousness, hallucination, aggravation of and haemorrhagic colitis (digestive disorders)." -From Wikipedia and FDA reports
An impressive set of reprecussions, yet the most perplexing reported side effect of this drug is that it seems to be capable of provoking severe delirium resulting in suicidefrom otherwise happy individuals, particularly the young. The response to this by the FDA included a warning to consumers regarding the recent data indicating a potential increase in self harm among youth, though that statement has recently been altered to suggest that the psychosis may be related to the flu itself. A similar advisory in Japan was issued stating that individuals 10 to 19 years of age should avoid the drug after more than 26 individuals lept inexplicably from their balconies shortly after taking the drug and hundreds more underwent atypical personality changes.

The Australian Sister

To sum up a clone of the previous story; the life of the drug Relenza parallels that of Tamiflu you might say identically, which isn't surprise given that both drugs repress precisely the same enzymes, with the difference being that Relenza is an inhalant - developed prior to Tamiflu in Austrailia. Since its controversial inception, when its approval was voted down 13-4 in the FDA in 1999 due to "limited data on efficacy and safety concerns" primarily because of an outspoken whistle-blower within the FDA citing independent studies disputing whether or not it has any effect at all on the flu , it was approved later that year yet failed to attain any major market and a conflict erupted in 2005 as Biota charged Glaxo with failing to inadequately promote Relexa, being involved a mirror image of the relationship between Gilead Sciences and Roche. The results of this claim were additional royalties payed to the parent company, a sudden burst of profit as world governments began spending millions on the drug in response to the threat of a hyped flu pandemic - requiring of course outsourcing of product to the global level, and having prime preparation for the next big pandemic. Oh, and it produced psychiatric and health problems.

Sound familiar?

So what does this mean?

Take what you will from the information presented. In light of the numerous side effects reported and the relatively small duration decrease of illness, a mere 1.3 days - it is best, first and foremost, to carefully weigh whether Tamiflu or Relenza is right for you or your loved ones - particularly if they are under the age of twenty.
The True Epidemic Approaching: Mass Tamiflu Poisoning, page 1




Could this also turn into forced vaccinations?

In addition to the viral and bacterial RNA or DNA that is part of the vaccines, here are the fillers: aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, ammonium sulfate, amphotericin B, animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain, dog kidney, monkey kidney, chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg, calf (bovine) serum, betapropiolactone, fetal bovine serum, formaldehyde,formalin, gelatin, glycerol, human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue), hydrolized gelatin,monosodium glutamate (MSG), neomycin, neomycin sulfate, phenol red indicator, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), potassium diphosphate, potassium monophosphate, polymyxin B, polysorbate 20, polysorbate 80, porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein, residual MRC5 proteins, sorbitol, sucrose,thimerosal (mercury),tri(n)butylphosp hate, VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells, washed sheep red blood cells. Need I say more? It should be noted the Tamiflu vaccine is managed by Donald Rumsfeld among others. The same beast who spearheaded Aspartame (the fecal matter of the Ecoli Bacteria). If it is anything like Gardasil it is likely loaded with cancer triggers.

These additives are given without public knowledge or consent. Merck, the monster pharmaceutical giant in the US produces the vast majority of vaccine supplies & are protected from prosecution by Federal Statutes imposed under the former Bush administration. Based on my understanding they are also the primary suppliers Canada's own stock. Gov't policy is stride for stride with the US in this respect. Some of those aspects of the additives we have found to be alarming: 1) ALUMINUM (two variants) - directly linked with Alseimer's Disease 2) AMMONIUM SULFATE - an inorganic chemical compound used a fertilizer and "protein purifier"; known to cause kindey & liver damage, gastrointestinal disfunctions 3) AMPHOTERICIN B - an "antifungal disinfectant", damages the urinary tract, bowels, heart functions, 4) RE-CYCLED ANIMAL TISSUE (multiple) - the building blocks of Mad Cow Disease 5) FORMALDEHYDE - used as "a preservative & disinfectant", known to cause cancer, chronic bronchitis, eye irritation when exposed to the body's immune system 6) MSG - now known to cause cancer in humans 7) PHENOL - a highly toxic disinfectant dye, attributed to liver, kidney, heart & respiratory damage 8) PHENOXYETHANOL (ANTIFREEZE) - proven to have extreme neurotoxic side effects 9) THYMEROSAL (MERCURY) - This additive alone was the catylist for another recent Class Action Lawsuit organized by mothers of children born with Autism & the many related behavioral disorders associated with it. Autism is now occuring at levels never seen before in history, 1 in 150. The average used to 1 in 20,000. Need I say more? It should be noted the Tamiflu vaccine is managed by Donald Rumsfeld among others. The same beast who spearheaded Aspartame (the fecal matter of the Ecoli Bacteria). If it is anything like Gardasil it is likely loaded with cancer triggers. Also Dr.Bill Deagle believes it is deliberately designed to harness the worst lingering aspects of the strain and mutate into something far more virulent within the body either this time or the during the next outbreak. The bottom line is don't take it, discourage your family from taking it. And if there comes a day soon when the Elites in power falsify a Level 6 Pandemic alert and make it mandatory for everyone to get shot you may want to have your bags packed and consider heading for the hills. The World Health Organization, a UN operation, is a major weapon in the Globalist Eugenics Programme. They cannot be trusted. Remember this is the same UN pushing ahead Codex Alimentarius - the end of organic food. Anyone unaware of Codex please visit Groundswell to axcess the file. As we approach the Codex deadline of Dec.31, 2009 new UN mandated irradiation policies are quietly being ramped up under the radar while an hysterical public talks about nothing but 'Swine Flu' . What a convenient distraction. "The minimum absorbed dose should be sufficient to achieve the technological purpose, and the maximum absorbed dose should be less than that which would compromise consumer safety, wholesomeness or would adversely affect structural integrity, functional properties, or sensory attributes." Technological purpose? Sounds a lot like Brzezinski's trans-humanism. www.cidrap.umn.edu...

So what do you think?

Sources:

Swine Flu Topics on AboveTopSecret.com
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[gollygreengiant]

damn, that's all i can say, just damn.

[maxrule]

Excellent post op. Then there is this.

YouTube - AVIAN BIRD FLU EMERGENCY UPDATE -...

YouTube - Bird Flu: The Next False Flag Attack?...

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[cspcdawg]

Heres more food for thought, with everything thats happening now, we see more people are starting to realize (still not the majority) basic retardness. Now you have all these people coming together, how would the government displace it? Well they used heroin to break down the black panthers. What could they use now? How about the swine flu? What would divert everyones attention from what happening nowadays? A Breakout. Simple. Everyone will be focused on this supposed 'Pandemic'. Now the government wont have watchful eyes on them, but there wrong. Thats my nickel.

[Vitamin 420]

Originally Posted by cspcdawg

Heres more food for thought, with everything thats happening now, we see more people are starting to realize (still not the majority) basic retardness. Now you have all these people coming together, how would the government displace it? Well they used heroin to break down the black panthers. What could they use now? How about the swine flu? What would divert everyones attention from what happening nowadays? A Breakout. Simple. Everyone will be focused on this supposed 'Pandemic'. Now the government wont have watchful eyes on them, but there wrong. Thats my nickel.

You've got some compelling points man. I have to agree, since the day I heard about it I knew there was absolutely no way it was legit I mean come on, this virus spread so quickly yet it came out of thin air?? How does a virus evolve to be so complex that we have to spend two months to even find out HOW it transfers from person-to-person (remember, they stated it was an "unknown mechanism" for a while). Not to mention, there were no reported cases in any pigs until April 28th. How was it possibly a swine flu? Hmm.

[FreshMeat]

It is all Bureaucratic fear mongering bullshit,

YouTube - Congressman Paul on the Recent Swine...

[HippiesRule420]

It was a lie created by the government, just like AIDS .