'The Obameter: Tracking Obama's Campaign Promises

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by willisvillis

Does any politician ever keep his/her campaign promises? More specifically, the president? I thought that's what presidential campaigns were...ass-kissing, phony fuckwads throwing us bullshit to munch on in hopes they will win this nationwide popularity contest while knowing all the time they will just appease the people who contribute to their campaign for prom queen...I mean president.

Private tyrannies will always be more corrupt than state run ones, furthermore our constitution is an article of a control over negative Despotism. A limit of power on the leader, in a direct democracy there would be no limits on what you can and cannot do our it would not be direct. That society would fall on a tyranny of the majority, in America for example you would see slave labor rampant still just like when the Greeks had slaves. As long as there was a majority of whites, which there still is, you would not see that change. Some of our greatest and worst leaders are ones who disregard the constitution for better or for worse. The constitution and congress were put in place to make sure America doesn't see a Caesar come into power, who was put into place through democracy.

Plato talked of this, "...then democracy comes into being after the poor have conquered their opponents, slaughtering some and banishing some, while to the remainder they give an equal share of freedom and power; and this is the form of government in which the magistrates are commonly elected by lot."

"Dictatorship naturally arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and slavery out of the most extreme liberty. "



I would have have a system where educated men are encharge of my countries finances than the majority. Most people in America aren't even economically sound to realise simple economic terms, let alone manige the countries finaces.


More proof democracy is a failure...Mrs. Hilton never voted.....even after doing tons of promotions for the VOTE OR DIE! campaign.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

in America for example you would see slave labor rampant still just like when the Greeks had slaves. As long as there was a majority of whites, which there still is, you would not see that change.

You seriously think there would still be slavery? Great Britain and France are examples of Western nations that democratically abolished slavery without violence (aside from preceding slave revolts).

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by aaronman

You seriously think there would still be slavery? Great Britain and France are examples of Western nations that democratically abolished slavery without violence (aside from preceding slave revolts).

That's why I mention Greece, also to my knowledge those countries did not abolish slavery through democracy. It was signed in by there parliaments to my knowledge.

I was talking of direct democracy, not despot-democracy.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

I was talking of direct democracy, not despot-democracy.

Your scenario is certainly more likely under direct democracy, but I seriously doubt slavery would be favored by the majority. Abolitionists were winning the debate centuries ago.

[willisvillis]

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

Most people in America aren't even economically sound to realise simple economic terms, let alone manige the countries finaces.

Let alone understand the policies of the jackass for whom they are voting. Let alone, let alone, let alone...

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Your scenario is certainly more likely under direct democracy, but I seriously doubt slavery would be favored by the majority. Abolitionists were winning the debate centuries ago.

Direct democracy inhibits open thinking, because people vote as teams, this is to say that is the definition of Mobrule.

When you understand the psyche of teams you understand open thinking of new ideas is inhibited. I don't think it is a stretch of the imagination that the majority of Americas during the civil war, south and north, supported slavery. That majority would had voted given the chance to keep it. I don't see anything socially changing there mind either. Slavery in other societies went on for hundreds of year, in our it was a very short period.

[mr.bluntworth]

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

I was the car, he was the Bear...

Natural Selection works for everything, especially things of politics, sure people are entitled to there opinions(even if they are wrong ones), but I too are entitled to mine. He could have easily responded to me and we could have a civil conversation, but I think he himself saw the error of his ways. He is staying quiet now.

Survival of the fittest bro, learn it, it will be your best friend in life.

haha thats a good picture.
and yes, natural selection does work for everything. but this isn't about natural selection. this is about sounding like an uptight (no other better word for this) dick.
but you do have a point about how he hasn't responded. touche'

[Medicine Al]

In less than 3 weeks, this makes Bush our national bitch.

Here's why you should talk nicer about the best thing to happen to american logical thinking in the 21st century.

For my personal political agenda, this and the Bush policy reversals on sexism and workplace rights...outdid the entire Bush administration, and we are no more bankrupt than we were, when he left.

The rest is just gravy.

John McCain would have bombed Palestine into extinction, and would never do this,btw.

http://blog.mpp.org/

White House Reaffirms Intent to End Medical Marijuana Raids

by Bruce Mirken


After a frustrating period of silence and a flurry of Drug Enforcement Administration medical marijuana raids in the Los Angeles area this week, a spokesman for President Obama has finally reaffirmed his intent to end such attacks on state medical marijuana laws. Here’s the money quote from the story in Thursday’s Washington Times:

“The president believes that federal resources should not be used to circumvent state laws, and as he continues to appoint senior leadership to fill out the ranks of the federal government, he expects them to review their policies with that in mind,” White House spokesman Nick Shapiro said.

While more ringing language might have been nice, the intent is clear enough: Hey DEA, the president says it’s time to stop attacking the sick. Got it?

We'll see what we will see, I do believe.

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by Medicine Al

In less than 3 weeks, this makes Bush our national bitch.

Here's why you should talk nicer about the best thing to happen to american logical thinking in the 21st century.

For my personal political agenda, this and the Bush policy reversals on sexism and workplace rights...outdid the entire Bush administration, and we are no more bankrupt than we were, when he left.

The rest is just gravy.

John McCain would have bombed Palestine into extinction, and would never do this,btw.

http://blog.mpp.org/

We'll see what we will see, I do believe.

Unless Obama is going to rewrite the 1oth Amendments commerce clause and/or decriminalize marijuana federally, than this end on Medical Marijuana raids will last a very short time.

He can't just tell the DEA to look past the laws in the books.

[Talon]

i think its funny everyone is soooooo far up obama's ass, but most of you didnt pay much attention when bush or clinton were in office. no one made a meter for either of them. no one cared, it was like YAY new president, lets see where this goes. but for obama its like IM GOING TO WATCH HIS EVERY STEP.

so we should be uptight on him because of other peoples fuck ups, huh?

and honestly, why are people so worried about MMJ? id like some weed too, but theres other things he needs to address first. he needs to help create more jobs, stop this warfare bullshit, help unify the different religions and races. its 2009 and people are still bigots, we need to take care of each other first before worrying about smoking weed without the cops breathing down our necks.

weed has always been here, its not going anywhere. the economy, is another story.

[Deutschbag]

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

Unless Obama is going to rewrite the 1oth Amendments commerce clause and/or decriminalize marijuana federally, than this end on Medical Marijuana raids will last a very short time.

He can't just tell the DEA to look past the laws in the books.

Yes he can. He is the President. He can tell Eric Holder (the AG and therefor the head of the DOJ) to tell the head of DEA (who Obama appoints) to stop using resources to raid MMJ dispensaries.

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by Deutschbag

Yes he can. He is the President. He can tell Eric Holder (the AG and therefor the head of the DOJ) to tell the head of DEA (who Obama appoints) to stop using resources to raid MMJ dispensaries.

The DEA does not work that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substance_Act

Marijuana is banned federally, the DEA job it to prevent controlled substances from getting into the hands of American citizens. Aslong as Marijuana is a controlled substance, Obama does not have any say so on this matter.

[Deutschbag]

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

The DEA does not work that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substance_Act

Marijuana is banned federally, the DEA job it to prevent controlled substances from getting into the hands of American citizens. Aslong as Marijuana is a controlled substance, Obama does not have any say so on this matter.

The DEA is a part of the Federal Government. Obama appoints the heads of these departments, if they do not do what he says then he will ask for their resignation. Sure they will still go after marijuana but they will stop concentrating on MMJ dispensaries.

Agents from the federal Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) were assigned to break up California's medical marijuana co-ops and seize their assets.

If they aren't assigned to do it then they won't do it. It's called a chain of command and if you undermine it then you will be out of a job.

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by Deutschbag

The DEA is a part of the Federal Government. Obama appoints the heads of these departments, if they do not do what he says then he will ask for their resignation. Sure they will still go after marijuana but they will stop concentrating on MMJ dispensaries.

Agents from the federal Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) were assigned to break up California's medical marijuana co-ops and seize their assets.

If they aren't assigned to do it then they won't do it. It's called a chain of command and if you undermine it then you will be out of a job.

What kind of system do we live in where this will stand in court?

What makes medical marijuana that much more special legally?

This will never stand, you don't go through law by looking the other way. Regardless if what you are saying is true, the supreme court will step in. That clearly breaks what they said in Gonzales vs Raich, where they ruled medical marijuana is still a controlled substance and still federally breaks the law.

[Deutschbag]

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

What kind of system do we live in where this will stand in court?

What makes medical marijuana that much more special legally?

This will never stand, you don't go through law by looking the other way. Regardless if what you are saying is true, the supreme court will step in. That clearly breaks what they said in Gonzales vs Raich, where they ruled medical marijuana is still a controlled substance and still federally breaks the law.

If it is a case that reaches the Supreme Court. Plus Obama already might have a chance to nominate a Justice because Ginsburg just got hospitalized with Pancreatic Cancer. If the head of the DEA doesn't want to raid MMJ dispensaries then it won't happen.