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01-03-2009, 04:36 PM
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| Israel-Palestine war...who fired the first shots?
I have been looking for this and have not found it, does anybody remember or have a better way of finding?
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01-03-2009, 05:14 PM
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| Re: Israel-Palestine war...who fired the first shots?
Igot, go here It should give you a little more insite. Of course, there are those who will disagree with what is written, but I wasn't there, so who am I to question ancient history. It's the current history, with people who are still alive, can answer for us, what happened or at least, we can hear 2 sides to decide for ourselves. I'm sure there will be someone who will still disagree to what is written.
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01-03-2009, 05:33 PM
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| Re: Israel-Palestine war...who fired the first shots?
I am talking about rescent startup btw.
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01-03-2009, 06:09 PM
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| Re: Israel-Palestine war...who fired the first shots?
Sorry about that, go here to what leads up to what is going on today. Then go here to what started in December. The first question will answer your question, The Council on Foreign Relations is a trustworthy non partisan group.
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01-03-2009, 09:10 PM
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The truce did not end in December. There was a ceasefire/truce from June until November, and then on Nov 4th Israel discovered a tunnel into Israel andtightened their existing blockade on Gaza, which is already considered an act of war. The truce was formally broken by Israel on Nov 5th when they raided Hamas territory and killed 6 Hamas gunmen. Israel is the aggressor, superpower and somehow the victim all at the same time. Kind of like Georgia vs SO. | |
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01-03-2009, 09:13 PM
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Say what you will, but Israel is a DICK to the Palestinians.
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01-03-2009, 09:17 PM
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| Re: Israel-Palestine war...who fired the first shots?
I dig the thread, Aaronman. Just a source for information for Canadians who are not clear on Canada's history with Israel. "Israel’s values are Canada’s values." - Paul Martin, Former Prime Minister Mr. Martin is certainly correct. Canadians have a long history of human rights violations, land disputes, cultural fascism and even hints of genocide when it comes to Aboriginals. Let's just say that Israel and Canada really know how to treat a host.
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01-03-2009, 09:29 PM
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| Re: Israel-Palestine war...who fired the first shots?
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01-03-2009, 11:02 PM
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And the la times is such a well respected paper? I believe it was the la times who coined the phrase about obama being the "Magic Negro". Also, the Jews have in recent historical times(last 100 years) have been attacked from others. Whether they are muslims or nazis. So, I believe that they won't sit around and do nothing any longer. The last time they did nothing they almost lost the Yom Kippur war. Of course, its OK with the Jew haters of the world to attack them on their holyist day. But if anyone attacked muslims during the month of ramadan, watch out, the wrath of the wienies will occur in the press. Oh here's some timelines for other views..... Source.. Wikipedia 1972 The IDF frees the hostages on a hijacked Sabena plane at Lod airport Three Japanese terrorists open fire at Lod airport, killing 25 and injuring 72 Eleven Israeli athletes are murdered by PLO terrorists at the Munich Olympic Games A number of letter bombs are sent to Israeli embassies abroad; Israel's agricultural attache in London is killed 1973 Israel's military attache in Washington killed by terrorists Yom Kippur War - on the Day of Atonement, the holiest day of the Jewish year, Egypt and Syria launch a coordinated surprise attack, repulsed by Israel after fierce fighting and heavy losses 1974 Twenty-one youths are killed in terrorist attack in Ma'alot 1975 UN General Assembly Resolution 3375 equates Zionism with racism Israel signs treaty with EC, instituting a free trade area for industrial products and leading to a significant increase in trade Terrorists landing by sea attack Savoy Hotel in Tel Aviv; 3 IDF soldiers are killed in clash Suez Canal is reopened by Egypt after eight years 1976 The IDF frees hostages held captive in Entebbe, Uganda, who had been captured by terrorists during the hijacking of an airliner en route to Paris; the action is named Operation Jonathan , after Jonathan Netanyahu, an officer killed during the action 1977 Egyptian President Sadat visits Jerusalem, breaking the cycle of Arab rejection of Israel 1978 A bus is hijacked by terrorists on the coastal road; 35 passengers are killed Operation Litani - action against terrorist strongholds in southern Lebanon in response to attacks on civilians in northern Israel Camp David Accords, constituting a basis for peace between Israel and Egypt, as well as a basis for comprehensive peace in the Middle East, are signed by Israel and Egypt Prime Minister Begin and Egyptian President Sadat awarded Nobel Peace Prize for their efforts to bring peace to the Middle East 1979 Peace Treaty is signed with Egypt, ending a 30-year cycle of war El-Arish is returned to Egypt, in accordance with the peace treaty 1980 Embassy of Israel is opened in Cairo Basic Law: "Jerusalem, Capital of Israel" is passed by Knesset Israel continues its withdrawal from Sinai - including the Refidim air base 1981 Iraqi nuclear reactor is destroyed by the Israel Air Force, weeks before it is due to become operative 1982 Attache at Israel's embassy in Paris killed by terrorists Israel completes withdrawal from Sinai in accordance with the Israel-Egypt peace treaty, despite widespread protest Israel's ambassador in London severely wounded by terrorists Operation Peace for Galilee is launched against PLO terrorist strongholds in Lebanon used for attacks against northern Israel; the IDF withdraws from Lebanon in 1985, retaining a presence in a security zone in southern Lebanon The IDF headquarters building in Tyre is destroyed by a massive bomb; 75 killed 1983 A Peace Now activist is killed when a Jewish extremist throws a grenade at a Peace Now demonstration A truck loaded with explosives in Tyre kills 60, Israelis and Arabs, and wounds dozens 1984 Terrorists take over a bus on its way from Tel Aviv to Ashkelon, killing one passenger Jewish underground operating in Judea and Samaria is uncovered and its members given prison sentences ranging from 8 years to life; most are pardoned by the President after several years in prison 1985 Over a thousand terrorists imprisoned in Israel are exchanged for three Israeli POWs from the war in Lebanon Administrative attache at Israel embassy in Cairo killed by terrorists An Egyptian soldier opens fire on a group of Israeli tourists and kills 7 1986 Israel embassy employee in Cairo killed by terrorists Ron Arad, Israeli Air Force navigator, is captured in Lebanon; his fate is still unknown 1987 The trial of John Demjanjuk, accused of murdering Jews during World War II, opens in Jerusalem; he is found guilty but later acquitted on appeal for lack of evidence Widespread violence (intifada) starts in the Israel-administered areas 1988 Hundreds of dunams of forest are destroyed by fires set by intifada activists 1989 Sixteen bus passengers are killed on the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv highway as a terrorist gains control of a bus and drives it over a cliff 1990 A terror attack on Israeli tourists in Egypt kills 10 1991 Israel is attacked by Iraqi Scud missiles during Gulf War 1992 An attack on Israel's embassy in Buenos Aires leaves 29 dead and dozens wounded 1993 Operation Din Veheshbon - after continued Katyusha attacks on northern Israel, IDF attacks Hizbullah bases in southern Lebanon 1994 A Jewish extremist kills 29 Muslim worshippers in Hebron A suicide bomber blows up a bus in Tel Aviv, killing 24 and wounding dozens 1995 Interim Agreement on the West Bank and the Gaza Strip is signed by Israel and the PLO, providing for broadened self-government by the Palestinians 1996 A series of suicide attacks in Jerusalem, Ashkelon and Tel Aviv kills over 60 Israelis Operation Grapes of Wrath against terrorist bases in Lebanon is launched IDF redeploys in Judea and Samaria, including redeployment from six cities 1997 Seven schoolgirls are murdered by a Jordanian soldier at Naharayim, on the border between Israel and Jordan Suicide bombers in Jerusalem kill 21 in two separate attacks 2000 Haifa-Four people- three Jews and an Arab- were wounded in a shooting attack on Yafo Street in downtown Haifa. The assailant was an immigrant from the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) and state he carried out the attack in retaliation for a recent lynching in Ramallah Palestinian gunmen opened fire on an Israeli car and bus at the Hamishtara Habriti junction in Wadi al-Haramiyah, north of Ofra, killing three and injuring eight. The Salah-al-Din Battalions claimed responsibility for the attack The National Insurance Institute’s East Jerusalem branch was attacked by Palestinian militants. The militants approached the reception desk at the Institute and fired at the guards. Eish-Kodesh Gilmor, a security guard at the Institute, was killed by gunmen and his fellow guard, Itai Suissa was critically wounded. In response to the attack, the National Insurance Institute decided to close the East Jerusalem branch. No one claimed responsibility for the attack 2001 10-months-old Israeli infant Shalhevet Pass is fatally shot in the head by a Palestinian sniper in Hebron 21 civilians, mostly teenagers from the former Soviet Union, are killed by a Hamas suicide bomber in the Dolphinarium massacre in Tel Aviv. 2002 An 81-year-old man was killed and over 150 people were wounded, four seriously, in a suicide bombing in the center of Jerusalem. The female terrorist, identified as a Fatah member, was armed with more than 10 kilos of explosives Two teenagers were killed and about 30 people were wounded, six seriously, when a suicide bomber blew himself up at a pizzeria in the shopping mall in Karnei Shomron. A third person subsequently died of his injuries. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attack An Israeli Bedouin policeman was killed by a suicide bomber whom he had stopped for questioning on the Ma'ale Adumim-Jerusalem road. The terrorist succeeded in detonating the bomb in his car. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack. A Palestinian suicide bomber blew herself up at a roadblock on the Jerusalem-Modi'in highway, injuring three policemen. Eleven people were killed and over 50 were injured, 4 critically, in a suicide bombing near a yeshiva in the center of Jerusalem where people had gathered for a bar-mitzvah celebration. The terrorist detonated the bomb next to a group of women waiting with their baby carriages for their husbands to leave the nearby synagogue. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade took responsibility for the attack. One person was killed and a large number injured, most lightly, when a suicide bomber exploded in an Egged bus as it entered the Afula central bus station. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. A suicide bomber blew himself up in the lobby of a hotel in Ariel. 15 people were injured, one seriously. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attack. 11 people were killed and 54 injured, 10 of them seriously, when a suicide bomber exploded in the crowded Moment cafe in the center of Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. A suicide bomber exploded himself near an Egged bus at the French Hill junction in northern Jerusalem. 25 people were lightly injured. Four soldiers and three others were killed, and about 30 wounded, several seriously, in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus near Afula. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. Three people were killed and 86 injured, 3 of them seriously, in a suicide bombing in the center of Jerusalem. The terrorist detonated the bomb, packed with metal spikes and nails, in the center of a crowd of shoppers. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack. A Palestinian suicide bomber kills 30 and injures 140 during Passover festivities in a hotel in Netanya in the Passover massacre. Two people were killed and 28 injured, two seriously, when a female suicide bomber blew herself up in a supermarket in Jerusalem. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack. One person was killed and about 30 people were injured in a suicide bombing in a cafe in Tel-Aviv. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack. A Hamas suicide bomber kills 15 and injures over 40 in Haifa in the Matza restaurant massacre. A paramedic and three others were very seriously injured in a suicide bombing at the emergency medical center in Efrat, south of Jerusalem. A police officer was killed in Jerusalem when a Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up in his car after being stopped at a roadblock. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack. Eight people were killed and 22 injured in a suicide bombing on an Egged bus near Kibbutz Yagur, east of Haifa. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. Six people were killed and 104 wounded when a woman suicide bomber detonated at the entrance to Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda open-air market. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack. 16 people were killed and 55 wounded in a suicide bombing in a crowded game club in Rishon Lezion, southeast of Tel-Aviv, which caused part of the building to collapse. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. Three people were killed and 59 injured, 10 seriously, when a suicide bomber, disguised as a soldier, blew himself up in the market in Netanya. Both Hamas and the PFLP took responsibility for the attack. A suicide bomber, apparently bound for Afula, killed himself after policemen approached him for questioning at a bus stop. There were no other injuries. Two people were killed and about 40 wounded when a suicide bomber detonated himself in downtown Rishon Lezion. In the 2002 Pi Glilot bombing, disaster was averted when sprinklers put out a fire after a diesel truck was detonated in a gas depot. The bombing could have caused a chain reaction, killing thousands of people. A security guard opened fire on a terrorist attempting to ram a car bomb into a disco in Tel Aviv. The terrorist was killed and five Israelis slightly injured when the bomb exploded prematurely. A grandmother and her infant granddaughter were killed and 37 people were injured, some seriously, when a suicide bomber detonated himself near an ice cream parlor in Petah Tikva. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack. 17 people were killed and 38 injured when a car packed with explosives struck an Egged bus at the Megiddo junction near Afula. The bus, which burst into flames, was completely destroyed. The terrorist was killed in the blast. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. A 14-year-old girl was killed and 15 others were wounded when a Palestinian suicide bomber set off a pipe bomb at a restaurant in Herzliya. A Hamas suicide bomber detonates himself on a bus in Jerusalem in the Patt junction massacre. The attack kills 19 people and wounds over 74. Seven people were killed and 50 injured, three critically, when a suicide bomber blew himself up at the French Hill bus stop in northern Jerusalem. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack. Nine people were killed and 20 injured in a terrorist attack on a bus traveling from Bnei Brak to Emmanuel. An explosive charge was detonated next to the bullet-resistant bus. The terrorists waited in ambush, reportedly wearing Israeli army uniforms, and opened fire on the bus. While four terror organizations claimed responsibility for the attack, it was apparently carried out by the same Hamas cell which carried out the attack in Emmanuel on December 12, 2001. Five people were killed - two Israeli and three foreign workers - and about 40 were injured, four seriously, in a double suicide bombing on Neve Shaanan Street near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. Five people suffered light to moderate injuries in a suicide bombing at a felafel stand in central Jerusalem. The bomber, who was killed, apparently exploded prematurely. Nine people were killed and 85 wounded, 14 of them seriously, when a bomb exploded in the Frank Sinatra student center cafeteria on the Hebrew University's Mt. Scopus campus. The explosive device was planted inside the cafeteria, which was gutted by the explosion. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. Nine people were killed and some 50 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus at the Meron junction in the Galilee. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. A bomb exploded in a car at the Umm al-Fahm junction in northern Israel, killing the terrorist and wounding the driver, an Arab Israeli resident of Nazareth. A policeman was killed and three people were wounded in a suicide bombing at a bus stop at the Umm al-Fahm junction. The terrorist, who was apparently planning to detonate the bomb after boarding a bus, set the charge off early when approached for questioning. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. Six people were killed and about 70 wounded when a terrorist detonated a bomb in a bus opposite the Great Synagogue in Tel-Aviv. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. One man was killed and about 30 people were wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up while trying to board a bus across from Bar-Ilan University on the Geha highway. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. 14 people were killed and some 50 wounded when a car bomb containing about 100 kilograms of explosives was detonated next to an intercity bus, while traveling along Wadi Ara toward Hadera. The bus had pulled over at a bus stop when the suicide bomber, driving a jeep, approached from behind and exploded. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. Three soldiers were killed and about 20 people were wounded in a suicide bombing in Ariel. The victims were killed while trying to prevent the terrorist from detonating the bomb. The terrorist was identified as a member of Hamas. An Israeli security guard and a teenage boy, both recent immigrants from Argentina, were killed and about 70 were wounded in a suicide bombing at a shopping mall in Kfar Sava. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. Hamas orchestrates the Jerusalem bus 20 massacre. Eleven people were killed and over 50 wounded when a suicide bomber detonated on a crowded bus in central Jerusalem. 2002 was a busy year for hamas. And I did not even list the rest of this decade. Look, I don't think by using terroist tactics nor using a powerful military to get your political point across is good. It just hurts and kills too many innocents.
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01-04-2009, 12:04 AM
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01-04-2009, 02:05 AM
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| listless discord | Re: Israel-Palestine war...who fired the first shots?
It doesn't matter who fired the first shots. If someone invaded your home with malicious intent, you would have no choice but to restrain, expel, or kill him.
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01-04-2009, 02:28 AM
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| Pot Ninja | Re: Israel-Palestine war...who fired the first shots?
This hate and war dates back to 100-200ish AD. There is nothing new about the injustices between Palistine and Israel. I also will not group Palistine into Hamas. Hamas is very influential (I don't think I need to go into detail about what that means in regard to the Palestinian population), but I can't accuse Palistine of being the entity at the forefront of this current war between Israel and Hamas. Nor will I disagree that Israel and Palistine will continue to hate and hurt one another when I'm long in my grave. It's such a complex war but my point is that it is far from new as to ask who fired the first shots. I'm sorry to simplify my comments but this is such a clusterfuck of issues that 100% revolve around land and religious conflicts.
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The current conflict is also not between the Jews and the Muslims, but between the Zionists and the Muslims. Listen to this man, he speaks the truth, in a time of deceit and confusion: And watch this if you do not believe that it is the Zionists and not the Jews that are the problem: And note that Ahmedinejad has been misquoted for saying that the Holocaust didn't happen, he is simply arguing it's importance of the Holocaust to the current events in Israel and Palestine, through it's significance in the WW2, by that meaning 41,749,400 civilians (non-holocaust victims) died in the WW2 according to Wikipedia, and "only" 5,752,400 Jews died (holocaust victims). So he is simply pointing out that Holocaust was no excuse for the Zionists to push to creation of the false Zionist state of Israel. I think just because he is bold enough to question the importance and relevance of the Holocaust to the events of today, and the creation of the unholy Zionist Israel state, he should not be persecuted. EDIT: And to answer your question, i will say the Zionists (Israel) fired the first shots at both the Jews and the Muslims (Palestine)
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01-04-2009, 10:05 PM
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| Pot Ninja | Re: Israel-Palestine war...who fired the first shots? Quote:
I'm a little confused by this "the state of Israel was declared" comment. Call me crazy (and you're more than welcome to do so) but this region was called the "Kingdom of Israel" for 3000 years, at least. In late 2008 archaeologists discovered a 3000 year old ostracon w/hebrew text helping to prove how long ago people existed in this "Kingdom of Israel". Granted we have little else to go on that isn't from that odd and minuplated history book called the The Old Testament (aka Bible). <-- That in itself creates a whole new slew of shit to denouce, but when science can back up historical Biblical comments, I will sit up in my chair and take note. Now you know a little more about why I date this religious hate war back to 100-200AD. We can go back further than that, but I hate to rely on a minuplated history book as the bases of my talking points. Maybe I should have added a whole list of religions that have been involved in this region since it's existence, becaues it wasn't just Jews, Muslims and Christians. Also the Crusades show us, when they attacked this region around 1098-1099, that Christian groups were involved (far before WW2). Read up on that specific to Jerusalem, it will make you puke. Hell every part of the Crusades is fucking disgusting. I do believe I made the distinction between Palestine and Hamas which should agree with your Zionistic comments, no? I made the next comment because I was sure someone would point out Israel and Palestine will hate each other forever as well...because they will. But, please, lets not pretend this religious hate war hasn't been going on for thousands of years, no matter what you want to call the name of the lands in question (Israel/Palistine/Jerusalem/Jericho/whatever...). Yes, this war has evolved to it's present state, but I have a hard time not looking at the whole gruesome picture and how religion has been at the root. This discussion is one of the most complex, multi-layered pieces of world history we can find. Not to mention the propaganda has been entrenched into society by all countries/territories/militias involved (and not involved) thoughtout time, that has taught us to believe a great deal of lies. This war, as we all know, is 100% and has always been based on religion (mostly via religious land). Not that anyone is actually disputing that last fact. *disclaimer: I believe the Bible is a book of old stories and historical documentation. I do believe it has been manipulated by many and many times over, but that doesn't stop science from finding what, if any, truths can be found in some of it's historical documentation. I <3 science. edit: I'll never claim that I'm always right. I talk a lot and am very opinionated. And I tend to speak matter-of-factly. It's just the way I am; feel free to disagree, argue, and discuss away. I enjoy perspectives.
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