The new Drug War is the War on Piracy

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by numba1stunna885

Paying for something that you can get for free is being a sucker....period.

If it's not making them enough money then maybe they should find another line of work? I don't know why you make it seem like we should all feel sorry for these poor artists living in their mansions. Fuck that I'm tryna get rich and the money I've saved over the years not buying CD's is helping me get there. I don't give a flying fuck what you think anyways so call me a brat 100 times. I bet you'd buy milk even if there was a way to get it free because...

"well those poor cows and dairy farmers " cry me a fuckin river fuck outta here with that lame shit keep thinkin that you're 13.99 is doing anything but making you poorer.

you realise she sells that kind of material right, from my knowledge Penelope sells media, so give me a break. She makes her living selling this material you are stealing so get the fuck out.

[Perpetual Burn]

So, what other crimes could I buy my way out of? You don't get to buy your way out of any otehr theft... what's so different about this?

What if I don't have the money to pay for all the songs I've "stolen?" Do you garnish a poor man's wages or send him to prison propelling him further into poverty?

I like IGOTJOINTS4YA's approach to this punishment... go after the enablers not the users.

[numba1stunna885]

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

you realise she sells that kind of material right, from my knowledge Penelope sells media, so give me a break. She makes her living selling this material you are stealing so get the fuck out.

I don't care, like I said if it ain't profitable maybe she should go work at McDonalds? I mean if my job doesn't pay good I'll go get a different job, why should she or anyone else be any different? I didn't invent the internet, I didn't show people how to download music, I just use it because it's there and I'm not PAYING FOR SOMETHING I CAN GET FOR FREE. I don't care about the consequences of the people making the music, just like the people who make the music could give a fuck less about me and my job.

[Penelope420]

Originally Posted by Perpetual Burn

So, what other crimes could I buy my way out of?

What if I don't have the money to pay for all the songs I've "stolen?"

I like IGOTJOINTS4YA's approach to this punishment... go after the enablers not the users.

I dunno... maybe you could tell the judge that the music was just too pure and beautiful to pay for.

I agree that it's the torrent sites that should be held to a much higher responsibility then the end users, since they are the ones profiting the most. But, if you are knowingly downloading copyrighted materials, then you should be prepared for the fact that you could possibly get caught and have to pay.

For the record, I'm not a musician, I'm a professional photographer. Last year, one of my photos ended up on the front page of a multi-million dollar corporation's website. It was pure luck that I actually found it, but I did. I won a pretty substantial settlement. Copyright laws are not something to fuck around with, just "because you can". They are real, actual laws that have pretty stiff penalties.

[Penelope420]

Originally Posted by numba1stunna885

I don't care, like I said if it ain't profitable maybe she should go work at McDonalds? I mean if my job doesn't pay good I'll go get a different job, why should she or anyone else be any different? I didn't invent the internet, I didn't show people how to download music, I just use it because it's there and I'm not PAYING FOR SOMETHING I CAN GET FOR FREE. I don't care about the consequences of the people making the music, just like the people who make the music could give a fuck less about me and my job.

If I didn't protect my copyrights then my business wouldn't be profitable. But, because I treat my business like a business, I don't have to work at McDonalds.

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by Perpetual Burn

So, what other crimes could I buy my way out of?

What if I don't have the money to pay for all the songs I've "stolen?"

I like IGOTJOINTS4YA's approach to this punishment... go after the enablers not the users.

aslong as you support the artist somehow, no matter what amount that may be, I do not thing that pirating albums that are hard to find in store now or on itunes should be punished.

It is the enablers that are the problem, they are enabling masses of people to not support the artist at all. Some people don't give a fuck about concerts and will never go to them but for all actuality the music industry is not the ones hurting the most from this kind of stuff, it is mostly the movie industry and the PC gaming industry.

Look at the new sony PSP, sony spent billions to make this product, they sold a shit ton of them, but there are not nearly as many games being sold for it. This is the fact that the piracy scene for it is so bad that it has killed the profits that any game developer can have a chance to sell any games. It has killed the portable basically, the only games that are being sold really for it are sports and jap games. Game makers have basically said, fuckit, if nobody is going to buy the games for it, we are not going to make for it. It has basically frozen all sales of sony PSP's and Sony is now in a big debt because of it. This is just like the PC gaming market and the movie industry, pirating have crippled them.

Will Wright, the maker of Sims just rescently said, I would rather make a shittier popular game that will sell than a game that is revolutionary better game that does not sell. Will Wright is considered one of the best game makers, a true artist per say, and him saying this has shown how piracy has effected his business model.

[numba1stunna885]

Originally Posted by Penelope420

If I didn't protect my copyrights then my business wouldn't be profitable. But, because I protect my copyrights, and treat my business like a business, I don't have to work at McDonalds.

Good for you....so why do you care if people download music? Wouldn't that be the artists fault for not doing the same in protecting their copyrights?

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by numba1stunna885

I don't care, like I said if it ain't profitable maybe she should go work at McDonalds? I mean if my job doesn't pay good I'll go get a different job, why should she or anyone else be any different? I didn't invent the internet, I didn't show people how to download music, I just use it because it's there and I'm not PAYING FOR SOMETHING I CAN GET FOR FREE. I don't care about the consequences of the people making the music, just like the people who make the music could give a fuck less about me and my job.

only a wayne fan could be such a swagger jacker, it would make since that you like him, I mean he steals all his material anyways. He should be sued for breaking copyright laws.

[Buzzard]

I have a question for those of you against pirating for the artists sake: What about dead artists? Should I have to pay for a Hendrix or Ray Charles album? Miles Davis or John Coltrane?

[Penelope420]

Originally Posted by numba1stunna885

Good for you....so why do you care if people download music? Wouldn't that be the artists fault for not doing the same in protecting their copyrights?

I care because when art is devalued as a whole, quality goes down, and the rest of society suffers for it.

Artists do protect their copyrights, but there is only so much they can do. Your concept of blaming the artists for your own selfish actions is completely lost on me.

[Penelope420]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

I have a question for those of you against pirating for the artists sake: What about dead artists? Should I have to pay for a Hendrix or Ray Charles album? Miles Davis or John Coltrane?

Those artists all still have estates/families which are collecting royalties for their work.

I'm not sure how it works in the music industry, but for visual arts the copyright is good for (I think) 70 years plus the life of the author, so at some point the work does become public domain.

[numba1stunna885]

Originally Posted by Penelope420

I care because when art is devalued as a whole, quality goes down, and the rest of society suffers for it.

Artists do protect their copyrights, but there is only so much they can do. Your concept of blaming the artists for your own selfish actions is completely lost on me.

I don't blame anyone. It's there, it's free. I didn't create the situation, I just take advantage of it. And the last thing I'm worried about is the quality of art and whether it gets devalued. Maybe artists should have to live regular lives like everyone else and then we would see who really is in it for love of the art and whose just out to make a quick buck. And Society would not suffer from a lack of quality music. That notion is outrageous and you know it.

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by Penelope420

Those artists all still have estates/families which are collecting royalties for their work.

I'm not sure how it works in the music industry, but for visual arts the copyright is good for (I think) 70 years plus the life of the author, so at some point the work does become public domain.

that is not true, people can buy the copy right and keep the material going for ever in the system, I think at some point it is just fine to pirate. Manly new artist that I worry about.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by Penelope420

Those artists all still have estates/families which are collecting royalties for their work.

I'm not sure how it works in the music industry, but for visual arts the copyright is good for (I think) 70 years plus the life of the author, so at some point the work does become public domain.

But now we're beyond the Artist. The artist created the work, not the family.



And then what about tabs and covers? If a band does a cover of "All Along the Watchtower" aren't they stealing from Bob Dylan? And aren't tab sites taking away profit from music books?

[numba1stunna885]

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

only a wayne fan could be such a swagger jacker, it would make since that you like him, I mean he steals all his material anyways. He should be sued for breaking copyright laws.

Dur dur dur dur what grade did you complete you illiterate fuck. "It would make since" hahahahahha your moms should be sued for letting you out of your cage. Yeah I'ma swagger jacker, keeping wasting half of your McDonald's paychecks buying music and feeling like you're above me somehow because of it. You ?