Why would you even vote for Obama?

[TheDudeAbides]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Myths of Martin Luther King

He's not conservative.

Lew Rockwell...where have I heard that name before? Oh yeah, he's the guy you claimed wrote all those incredibly racist newsletters authored under Paul's name. Let us commence the wikking,

Originally Posted by wikipedia

Rockwell was closely associated with his teacher and colleague Murray Rothbard until Rothbard's death in 1995. Rockwell's political ideology, like Rothbard's in his later years, combines a form of anarcho-capitalism with cultural conservatism and the Austrian School of economics. He also advocates federalist concepts as a means of promoting freedom from central government, and also advocates secession for the same political decentralist reasons. Rockwell has called environmentalism "[a]n ideology as pitiless and Messianic as Marxism."[7]

Yeah, real liberal. The guy's a regular FDR, lemme tell you.

Originally Posted by aaronman

And DudeAbides,

I went looking for where Barry Goldwater voiced his racism, and it appears to be a similar situation to Ron Paul.

First off, he organized the Arizona National Guard and made it the first fully racially integrated one in the country. He also abolished segregation in his family's department stores and as city councilman helped desegregate local restaurants.

Perhaps you should read conscience of a conservative, where he decries school desegregation, and says that brown V. board of education didn't mean that schools should be forced to intergrate.

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

He is a man who gathered his information from Dr Kings children who are active in the democratic party, of course they would be tell him these political views.

And what conext and information could someones children give? What a ridiculous idea!

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

Martin Luther King Jr. son has voiced recently that in 2004 and 2000 that republicans have been condemning black men and women there right to vote, which is ridiculous.

except that there often is voting represion driven by the G.O.P. targeted at African Americans, so not so ridiculous as you might think.

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

The fact of the matter is, Martin Luther King was a registered republican, I find it peculiar that while he was a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN he would say things like:

Didn't Rush Limbaugh advocate a similar idea of registering in the other party with the explicit intention of changing it's direction? But let me quote something i found from the Washington Post and not kings autobiography;

Originally Posted by washington post

In 1960, King was arrested for trespassing during a sit-in and held in Georgia's Reidsville prison. Fearing for his son's life, Martin Luther King Sr. appealed to presidential candidate John F. Kennedy to secure his release.

When King was freed, his father vowed to deliver 10 million votes to the Democrat, even though Kennedy was only a reluctant supporter of civil rights. That began four decades of black people voting for liberals.

The younger King voted for Kennedy, and for Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson four years later. In that election, King publicly denounced the Republican candidate, Barry Goldwater.

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

Call me a straw man all you like but that just seems very odd to me, and the fact that he was also Baptist which a very large majority of Baptists of the time were republican. His father was openly a republican for many years and influenced his congregation to vote republican, a man that Jr. shared many of his own views with and used as a spring for his own career in advocating civil rights. Senior was a republican that was very active civil rights era.

And you'll see above the turning point from republican to democrat. The reason so many African Americans voted republican prior to Kennedy was due to the Dixiecrats. Odd how things change with time.

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

If I am a strawman for challenging a AUTOBIOGRAPHY that was written 30 years after his death, then call me strawman.

You're a strawman for asserting that something that is based soley on things King said and wrote by one of the most respected academics in history. Period.

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

I am going to go back and play in traffic...

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides

And what conext and information could someones children give? What a ridiculous idea!

Well then it is not an autobiography is it.

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides

except that there often is voting represion driven by the G.O.P. targeted at African Americans, so not so ridiculous as you might think.

This is just upsurd, and something democrats used to explain why they lost.

If you ask Kerry, Gore or Clinton they would get very angry that you would assert something like that.

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides

The fact of the matter is, Martin Luther King was a registered republican, I find it peculiar that while he was a REGISTERED REPUBLICAN he would say things like:

And you'll see above the turning point from republican to democrat. The reason so many African Americans voted republican prior to Kennedy was due to the Dixiecrats. Odd how things change with time.

You counter my so called strawman points with your own strawman points.

All that information is hopeless conjecture, the post got from that same book we were arguing over. All this information was gathered by the king institute that openly supports democrats and his children who openly support Democrats now.

I am not arguing that King would be a democrat now, but at the time he and his father were registered republicans, now who they voted for is a mystery that died with those two men.

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides

You're a strawman for asserting that something that is based soley on things King said and wrote by one of the most respected academics in history. Period.

I'm not a strawman tell you disprove that king said that.

I have showed information that he was registered republican, and you have showed information that he said Republicans harbor the KKK, which would of been moronic at his time with your assertion of the Dixiecrat.

King would of been a democrat today, but then is another story, and I do not believe at all that he was agianst Barry Goldwater and for Kennedy. From quotes I have read from men at the Kings center, that sounds like it is what they said and not the late Mr King.

How about you show some conservative smear site that will try to uncover king as a republican than try to tie me to Rush Limbaugh again. I am tired of showing valid points against and getting the label strawman.

"What America desperately needs is courage from its political leaders. When my uncle, Martin Luther King, Jr., led the civil rights marches throughout America, he marched with his head held high in a spirit of conviction and courage. John McCain has done the same throughout his career."-Alvenda King, Niece of King Jr.

It looks like Alvenda would disagree with you that the GOP is out to get black people being she openly endorsed John McCain. You know Huckabee was Baptist, I wonder if King would relate with him.

Lets keep the assumptions going, because that is all we are arguing over, both of us.

[Full Melt]

My fear of a white president.

[TheDudeAbides]

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

Well then it is not an autobiography is it.

except he's in charge of publishing and organizing almost EVERYTHING king wrote, so yeah i think his children might have some useful information.

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

This is just upsurd, and something democrats used to explain why they lost.

Uh no Padre, there is a well documented history of voter supression from the GOP party in Urban and poor areas. I wonder who would live there?

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

You counter my so called strawman points with your own strawman points.

All that information is hopeless conjecture, the post got from that same book we were arguing over. All this information was gathered by the king institute that openly supports democrats and his children who openly support Democrats now.

You support conjecture, I've quoted a book edited and compiled by a noted academic, and a leading newspaper in journalism. What you have quoted, is a commercial.

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

I am not arguing that King would be a democrat now, but at the time he and his father were registered republicans, now who they voted for is a mystery that died with those two men.

I'm not a strawman tell you disprove that king said that.

Read the fucking quote from the washington post! Black and white, clear as crystal, plain as fucking day. after RFK got MLK outta jail THEY VOTED DEMOCRAT!

I have showed information that he was registered republican, and you have showed information that he said Republicans harbor the KKK, which would of been moronic at his time with your assertion of the Dixiecrat.

I also showed the time in which he changed his opinions. Yes, people do change there opinions.

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

King would of been a democrat today, but then is another story, and I do not believe at all that he was agianst Barry Goldwater and for Kennedy. From quotes I have read from men at the Kings center, that sounds like it is what they said and not the late Mr King.

except the part in his papers where he decried barry goldwater. I mean you would rather assume that someone rewrote and changed Kings papers then change your assumption that he thought Goldwater was a biggot

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

How about you show some conservative smear site that will try to uncover king as a republican than try to tie me to Rush Limbaugh again. I am tired of showing valid points against and getting the label strawman.

You fucking dolt, you have the reading comprehension skills of a 10 year old. You've shown no points except conjecture based on your theory that a well known, well respected man his field has rewritten history for his own personal gain. I did NOTHING to tie you to Rush Limbaugh, only pulled him out to show that just because people are registered a certain way or stay registered doesn't mean they always vote that way.

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

"What America desperately needs is courage from its political leaders. When my uncle, Martin Luther King, Jr., led the civil rights marches throughout America, he marched with his head held high in a spirit of conviction and courage. John McCain has done the same throughout his career."-Alvenda King, Niece of King Jr.

It looks like Alvenda would disagree with you that the GOP is out to get black people being she openly endorsed John McCain. You know Huckabee was Baptist, I wonder if King would relate with him.

Odd considering your assumption that all of his family votes democrat. You don't think the nice editor would sit down and talk with her too? Of course not, that doesn't support your baseless claims. And furthermore, John McCain and Huckabee have JACK SHIT to do with Goldwater. You're equating two things which are not equatable, which is known in common parlance as a strawman.

Originally Posted by IGOTJOINTS4YA

Lets keep the assumptions going, because that is all we are arguing over, both of us.

I got all day partner. You keep setting em up, and i'll knock em down.

[wackdeafboy]

Everybody voted obama cause HE'S BLACK!
there I said it.

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides

I got all day partner. You keep setting em up, and i'll knock em down.

I keep setting em' up and you keep throwing gutter balls.

Regardless a book written 30 years after a mans death can seriously be his autobiography, to the subject at hand, Just because Ron Paul said those things does not make him a racists.

YouTube - NAACP says Ron Paul is NOT a racist...

Nelson Linder, leader of the NAACP, says you are confused that Ron Paul is racist, are you confused?

[TheDudeAbides]

"JESSE JACKSON IS NOT THE EMPEROR OF BLACK PEOPLE!"
"YEAH, WELL HE TOLD MY DAD HE WAS!"

Here, be a good boy and play with yourself. I'm through with you, this thread, and your 9\11 truther logic.

[skoinkins]

let me quote you here DUDE "Uh no Padre, there is a well documented history of voter supression from the GOP party in Urban and poor areas. I wonder who would live there?"
have you ever heard of acorn, a large liberal voting activism group who has had several members tried and convicted of voter fraud. such as double votes, and useing dead ppl votes. now please tell me of a gop conviction, i'm really quite curious how your going to try to weisel your way out of this question like obama and most other liberals would.

[IGOTJOINTS4YA]

Originally Posted by TheDudeAbides

"JESSE JACKSON IS NOT THE EMPEROR OF BLACK PEOPLE!"
"YEAH, WELL HE TOLD MY DAD HE WAS!"

Here, be a good boy and play with yourself. I'm through with you, this thread, and your 9\11 truther logic.

Who was the one that was supposed to be playing in traffic again?