Why would you even vote for Obama?

[L Rag]

cause he's black?

[Bank404]

why would you even vote for McCain?

[L Rag]

Originally Posted by mbleezy

Universal Health care- This idea is crap, people do not THINK in depth about this. Yeah it sounds good. Everyone gets health care and everyones happy right? NO. People do not realize how much the quality of care is going to go down. There will be so many people in the hostipals that the wait will be even longer than it is now. With universal heath care also comes more taxes because who is going to pay for it besides tax payers.

easy for you to say if you can always afford it, but what about the people who can't? it wouldn't be a huge tax increase if one at all..

Originally Posted by mbleezy

Iraq War- The Iraq war is a war. What do people excpet? NO WAR is just simple. It takes time and money... If we were in it for the Oil why are the prices going up?

..things dont go as planned?

Originally Posted by mbleezy

and dont you think that if we were after the oil we would have it already?

no.

Originally Posted by mbleezy

I agree that it is getting old and that we should reduce the number of troops but we CANNOT just leave all of those people over there without nothing. They will go back to the communists way they were and we would have gone over there for absolutly nothing.

what? Iraq isn't communist haha. why can't the troops leave without anything? damage control..

Originally Posted by mbleezy

And i hate when people say that we should have never went over there. Thats like saying "Oh well that killed 3000 people for no reason. We will forgive you!". And when 9/11 happened EVERYONE wanted to go to war but now that its costing money people dont agree with it.

You're basically saying that just because 3000 people were killed there must be a good reason for it...there isn't.

sorry bout the double post

[SWPitcher42]

This kid might be half retarded, but at least he makes one good point: Universal health care sounds awesome, but functionally, it won't work.

Also, it's a waste of time to argue about who's better, mccain or obama, because they're kinda like hansel and gretel, they can both follow the same trail of money home...ron paul ftw.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by SWPitcher42

This kid might be half retarded, but at least he makes one good point: Universal health care sounds awesome, but functionally, it won't work.

Also, it's a waste of time to argue about who's better, mccain or obama, because they're kinda like hansel and gretel, they can both follow the same trail of money home...ron paul ftw.

ytmnd!

[ynotle]

Originally Posted by Bank404

why would you even vote for McCain?

Maybe because...

[wackdeafboy]

Originally Posted by swpitcher42

this kid might be half retarded, but at least he makes one good point: Universal health care sounds awesome, but functionally, it won't work.

Also, it's a waste of time to argue about who's better, mccain or obama, because they're kinda like hansel and gretel, they can both follow the same trail of money home...ron paul ftw.

word!!!

[stoned budda]

Originally Posted by Bank404

why would you even vote for McCain?

Some are voting for him because they have respect for his sacrifices to our country.

Some agree with his policies.

Some because of Sarah Palin.

Some are voting for him because they hold negative views of blacks.

Some are voting for him because of Obama's liberal voting record,

Others are voting for him because hes not an arrogant egotistical, teleprompter reading hack.

Did i leave anyone out?

[dafinestsniper]

McCain's camp is ran by lobbyist. He's always having to fire people once there exposed then he throws them under the bus.(like bush did to Bin Laden)
He reminds me of Bush so much, always tring to mislead the american people.
Protects the rich....

Are you McCain supporters forreal? You cant see through this guy?

Are do you have are hard time supporting someone whos black?

[Biggs1028]

Because McCain is going to die in his 4 year term and i don't want palin president.

[stoned budda]

Originally Posted by dafinestsniper

McCain's camp is ran by lobbyist. He's always having to fire people once there exposed then he throws them under the bus.(like bush did to Bin Laden)
He reminds me of Bush so much, always tring to mislead the american people.
Protects the rich....

Are you McCain supporters forreal? You cant see through this guy?

Are do you have are hard time supporting someone whos black?

?Obama's ties to lobbyist:

OBAMA FUNDRAISER NUMBERS

38
Members of law firms that lobby in Washington

31
Partners

10
Former federal lobbyists

6
Manage lobbyists

$3.5 million
Minimum the lawyers pledged to raise

$138 million
Lobbying fees earned last year by their firms or subsidiaries

Source: Obama for America, Senate Office of Public Records, Center for Responsive Politics, USA TODAY research

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...15-obama_n.htm


Some of Barry Obama corporate donors:

Goldman Sachs $691,930University of California $611,207Citigroup Inc $448,599JPMorgan Chase & Co $442,919Harvard University $435,769Google Inc $420,174UBS AG $404,750National Amusements Inc $389,140Microsoft Corp $377,235Lehman Brothers $370,524Sidley Austin LLP $350,302Moveon.org $347,463Skadden, Arps et al $340,264Time Warner $338,527Wilmerhale Llp $335,398Morgan Stanley $318,070Latham & Watkins $297,400Jones Day $289,476University of Chicago $278,885Stanford University $276,038

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/co...&cid=N00009638


And lets not forget Freddie And Fannie they too are friends of Barry's:

http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/20...re-obama-lies/

[Dr.Dankmen]

Originally Posted by mbleezy

why would you even vote for obama? He has no experience, no one knows anything about him besides that last year of his life. He has been with a church that openly degrades america. He had his daughter married by the preacher of that same church. He flip flops on most of his opinions depending on what the crowd wants. He only talks about change and does not really describe his own plans. He never fully answers a question.
apparently you dont follow the election then. Look at both candidates websites and see who has more plans. Mccain has no in depth plan to make anything better. And everything is messed up regardless of your personal beliefs. If you arent stubborn check out this website and actually read some of the shit on it before making your argument against it. http://howinsaneisjohnmccain.blogspo...idnt-like.html
i do not like either candidate but out of the two mccain is better!
obama may be relatively new to the senate, but he was a part of the illinois senate for years before that, and he studied and i heard taught constitutional law, he backs up more things then mccain backs up when it comes to policies that match with what he is promising, be it every election there are things that both candidates do to get elected.
issues:
these are your most pressing issues, over the economy Mccain has very hazy views on these things below as well.
universal health care- this idea is crap, people do not think in depth about this. Yeah it sounds good. Everyone gets health care and everyones happy right? No. People do not realize how much the quality of care is going to go down. There will be so many people in the hostipals that the wait will be even longer than it is now. With universal heath care also comes more taxes because who is going to pay for it besides tax payers.
maybe you dont think when you think. Dude, canada has ha type of universal healthcare, and they have far less deaths from things that are treatable but ekspensive. If you are below the dubbed poverty line here its almost impossible to treat something like brain tumors that are concentrated into one position, non spreading, because of the sheer cost. We even deny anyone who doesnt have health insurance unless we know they have money to pay for treatment. Maybe our ideas on healthcare on grasscity arent very well drawn out plans, but once someone is in office its not like they are gonna take our ideas and use them as is. It takes planning for something as huge as globalized healthcare, but to think its stupid and poointless is fucked up man.
iraq war- the iraq war is a war. What do people excpet? No war is just simple. It takes time and money... If we were in it for the oil why are the prices going up? And dont you think that if we were after the oil we would have it already? I agree that it is getting old and that we should reduce the number of troops but we cannot just leave all of those people over there without nothing. They will go back to the communists way they were and we would have gone over there for absolutly nothing. And i hate when people say that we should have never went over there. Thats like saying "oh well that killed 3000 people for no reason. We will forgive you!". And when 9/11 happened everyone wanted to go to war but now that its costing money people dont agree with it. 2,000 u.s. Soldiers are dead. Literally millions of iraqi civilians, people attempting to live normal lives, dead.
fuck you man for assuming you are some genius magicman. Communism is not what they practice there, its more a weird system not anythin like communism. Its trying to be a democracy. Learn things with knowledge not beliefs. We should be getting revenge for the people who died on 911 according to you. But i guess you didnt kno that it was planned by people all over different parts of the middle east, by different sectors of al queda. The actual performers of the ordeal. Quote all but one were from saudi arabia, most "were from families headed by tradesmen and civil servants, well-off, but not wealthy," mostly "unexceptionable men," none of whom "stood out for their religious or political activism." as mcdermott writes, "that young men from good backgrounds would leave homes and families without fanfare or discouragement was evidence of the broad support within saudi arabia for jihad." contrary to rumor, mcdermott says they knew they would die and welcomed martyrdom: "the men were trained in hand-to-hand combat in the al qaeda camps [in afghanistan], taught the physical skills they would need for the sole task given them -- to physically overpower flight crews. The pilots were the leaders. The new men would be the muscle." end quote for the full story of the planning of 911 go to http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042801315.html
so why are we at war Oh becuz saddam had weapons of mass destruction or he helped al queda in some way. Wrong man actually look into it and you will see the very small way saddam might have helped al queda, be it an indirect thing. He never was like hey give weapons to al queda, and if he was we would not kno about it. We are waging a war in afghanistan and in iraq, when the people who destroyed three thousand peoples lives are from saudi arabia, and we still have relatively good connections with the country. Things are so bad, guerilla warfare mostly, in iraq, that in 2007 almost seventy percent of our troops wanted the war to end. People should never have to die for there country unless when the war is over they created a better lives for us here. Fuckin pleez dont hold your beliefs so close to your heart, hold what you know there. If you know very little but believe a lot, try learning some factual things. mccain 2008!!!!!

And do not just vote for obama because he is black, and think about it....if he was white would you still have considered him? Make sure you actually infom yourself about each candiate before you make a decision!
oh shit obama is blacki guess thats why i picked him, me being a white misinformed idiot. Dude that has nothing to do with like seventy percent of the people who vote for obama, you appear to me a closet racist though, it should be regardless of he being black that you dont like him, it should be the research you have put into the candidate like you said. The only bad thing ive heard you say about obama, from your thorough evaluation, is quote he has no experience, no one knows anything about him besides that last year of his life. He has been with a church that openly degrades america end quote wait now we have to ignore seperation of church in state to bash obama People dont kno anything about him because they havent checked. He grew up in chicago and did community organizing, which consists of shit like helping homeless and community service type things. Then he went to i believe harvard, or it was before the community organizing. Then he entered illinois politics, and stayed there for a long while. Then entered the u.s. Senate.
and thats just some of my opinions comment back so we can agrue haha

i dont like arguing about such important topics, i like debating with factual information, its a matter of our future as a country, its a matter of us getting passed this two party system and multi class population to realize we all have similar needs regardless of our beliefs that dont mesh well. We need to look at the actual topics and not speculate about shit, its very counter productive, we need to all get along so we can all realize how much we all dont trust the government, and do something about it.

(sorry if i am off on somethings but i think all the statements made above are true if not look them up and correct me)

dude read the quote above

[Deutschbag]

Originally Posted by Dr.Dankmen

dude read the quote above

Where did you get "literally millions" from?

and Obama's withdrawal plan is unrealistic. McCain will pull them out when ground conditions permit.

[wackdeafboy]

Originally Posted by Deutschbag

Where did you get "literally millions" from?

and Obama's withdrawal plan is unrealistic. McCain will pull them out when ground conditions permit.

obama plan is to draw military slowly.. not all at once
mccain will continue to have a war on terror, which is based on lies, so the gov can get more money from us..
mccain will never take the military out...plus they built embassy in iraq
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12319798/

[Dr.Dankmen]

Originally Posted by Deutschbag

Where did you get "literally millions" from?

and Obama's withdrawal plan is unrealistic. McCain will pull them out when ground conditions permit.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ Sorry not that much, i saw somewhere it said millions, but i checked again and its almost one million. but also take into account, iraqis are not finding there dead loved ones then going to the nearest death tally and tell them who died. so im sure there are thousands uppon thousands of unreported deaths, though that is speculation. Obama like the guy above me says is going to pull them out slowly. i cant help but view mccains promise of a plan that he hasnt had point to when nixon ran for president, he said at first that the war was needed in Vietnam, then once the campaign took a turn for the worse, he changed his stance saying we needed an end to it but had to do so once the coniditions permitted. he was elected and he did not end the war for years longer, and now our country and vietnam are glorious places were everyone thrives, and all those casualties were needed right