Why would you even vote for Obama?

[tfunkadelic]

Originally Posted by Tray Dub

You're not a snapple cap, I don't want to hear random facts. Give me relevant arguments.

But that's like, work, man!

[CosmicSerpent]

Originally Posted by mbleezy

Why would you even vote for Obama? He has no experience, no one knows anything about him besides that last year of his life.

Obama has the experience and credentials to be a viable candidate... he has served almost 4 years as a U.S. Senator, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs, 8 years as an Illinois State Senator, community organizer, graduated from Columbia and Harvard Law, President of the Harvard Law Review, etc. Just because he isn't part of a well-known political family or a Washington insider doesn't mean he's just some random unqualified person.

He has been with a church that openly degrades America. He had his daughter married by the preacher of that same church.

His daughters are both too young to be married.. it was him and his wife who were married by Rev. Wright. And there is no record that Wright made such degrading comments prior to the last year or so. If you look at the big picture, the issue was over a man who was fed up with the government (like most of us are) and said some things in the heat of the moment that he shouldn't have. But of course in today's politics, guilt by association is all that matters. Obama has since left the church and denounced the comments made by his former pastor.

He flip flops on most of his opinions depending on what the crowd wants.

If you really look at their records, McCain has flip-flopped on more issues than Obama has. All politicians are guilty of trying to appeal to a certain crowd from time to time. We all know McCain was considered to be a pretty liberal Republican until his recent desperate attempts to bring in the conservative base.

He only talks about change and does not really describe his own plans. He NEVER fully answers a question.

This is an argument I hear all the time - that Obama just throws around the word change without having any substance. I don't understand where this is coming from... from everything I've heard, he has very clearly described what is wrong with our government and laid out detailed plans on how to change it. He certainly seems more knowledgeable about important issues than McCain, who openly admits he doesn't know much about the economy, but thinks it is in good shape. Go to Obama's website and click on "Issues" if there is anything you're uncertain about.

I DO NOT LIKE EITHER CANDIDATE BUT OUT OF THE TWO MCCAIN IS BETTER!

ISSUES:

Universal Health care- This idea is crap, people do not THINK in depth about this. Yeah it sounds good. Everyone gets health care and everyones happy right? NO. People do not realize how much the quality of care is going to go down. There will be so many people in the hostipals that the wait will be even longer than it is now. With universal heath care also comes more taxes because who is going to pay for it besides tax payers.

Obama's plan for health care would actually allow patients with more urgent and serious needs to be first priority. His plan is designed to get rid of all the waiting and unnecessary processes that people currently have to go through. It's not about giving a free ride... it's about making the system work better for everyone. Including those who already have sufficient care, and those who are suffering through no fault of their own.

If you want to talk about balancing the budget, it is very clear that Obama is fiscally more conservative than McCain. The Republicans are supposed to be the party against wasteful and excessive spending, yet each Republican administration (especially Bush) has given us a new record high national debt. Clinton managed to lower it and actually produce a surplus, by keeping the economy strong, and only allowing legislature to pass that could be paid for. Obama plans to do the same.

As far as taxes, Obama would lower them significantly for people who make less than $250,000 a year, which is 95% of the country. McCain would lower them across the board, which would send us into further debt. Not to mention that the war is costing us billions of dollars we don't have every month.

Iraq War- The Iraq war is a war. What do people excpet? NO WAR is just simple. It takes time and money... If we were in it for the Oil why are the prices going up? and dont you think that if we were after the oil we would have it already? I agree that it is getting old and that we should reduce the number of troops but we CANNOT just leave all of those people over there without nothing. They will go back to the communists way they were and we would have gone over there for absolutly nothing. And i hate when people say that we should have never went over there. Thats like saying "Oh well that killed 3000 people for no reason. We will forgive you!". And when 9/11 happened EVERYONE wanted to go to war but now that its costing money people dont agree with it.

The war was based on intelligence that has now been proven unreliable and false. Our government told us that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction, and that Saddam Hussein was an immediate threat to the U.S. Neither of these things were true. There was no connection to al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or 9/11, and although we weren't on the best terms, war was completely avoidable. We can all agree that the world is better off without Saddam, but it wasn't worth the trillions of dollars we've spent and the lives we've lost on both sides. Bush claimed he was against nation-building when he campaigned in 2000. We've done nothing but create further tension in the region and severely damage our reputation with the rest of the world.

What we should have done was put all our effort into defeating the terrorist organizations that attacked us, but instead we got sidetracked with Iraq and created a bigger problem.

[Deutschbag]

Originally Posted by CosmicSerpent

His daughters are both too young to be married.. it was him and his wife who were married by Rev. Wright. And there is no record that Wright made such degrading comments prior to the last year or so. If you look at the big picture, the issue was over a man who was fed up with the government (like most of us are) and said some things in the heat of the moment that he shouldn't have. But of course in today's politics, guilt by association is all that matters. Obama has since left the church and denounced the comments made by his former pastor.

.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9HUdF9OZa8

I don't think he all of sudden got his views after 9/11. The only reason he left was because of the campaign and he knew it would hurt his chances to be affiliated with him.

Oh and then there is this guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89m0pC_bpY

[bkenji666]

only reason im not voting mccain.
sarah palin.

because if he is voted into office and dies.

you have no idea of the repercussion of the actions of voters to vote this stupid cunt it.

[Deutschbag]

Originally Posted by bkenji666

only reason im not voting mccain.
sarah palin.

because if he is voted into office and dies.

you have no idea of the repercussion of the actions of voters to vote this stupid cunt it.

Enlighten me

[x BlacKStR x]

Originally Posted by bkenji666

only reason im not voting mccain.
sarah palin.

because if he is voted into office and dies.

you have no idea of the repercussion of the actions of voters to vote this stupid cunt it.

Yeh,

That's been a huge issue here.

[Buddy Dink]

What makes you guys think Obama is really that much different from McCain? And what makes you guys think Obama and McCain are really that much different from the oil companies? Neither of them really care about the people. The only reason either of them care about the people is because they need someone to feel superior to. Without the people these guys would have no money, no control, no power, which is exactly what they crave.

Instead of voting between a giant douche and a turd sandwhich, why don't we just say fuck government? There will never be a time, ever, where government does not infringe upon the rights of its peoples.

As for standing up to big oil, why don't we do just that? Stop buying big oil's oil. Shutting them down from within the system will just end up making more carbon copies of more politicians and the system will live longer. There are multiple things we can do, as people, to shut them down. We could find alternative feul sources, we could support small oil business, etc. Government is an evil tool and should never be used.

Universal healthcare? Again, we can not use the system, it will just be terrible. Instead, why don't people who care about the wellbeing of others to fund a hospital in a community that is free of charge.

But wait! We can't rely on ourselves to do something like that! Isn't that exactly what St. Jude's hospital is? A hospital run completely off of donations?

Always question authority, especially when that authority is yourself.

[mbleezy]

Originally Posted by Tray Dub

Okay, so here's your first lesson. Google is your friend. You use him to learn things, so you're not talking out of your ass. I'm glad you at least tried to get a number, but you've gotta realize that not all the money from each barrel of oil goes into the oil company's pockets. They made more like $75 billion last year, not $2 trillion. That's still an estimate from me, but it's based on math done by a good source (edit: Fortune 500, sorry).

http://www.alternat1ve.com/biofuel/2...n-profit-list/

And they do have basic rules. Although the regulations are not as strong as they should be, and a tax on their profits should be instituted (something McCain attacked Obama for supporting, by the way). I'm not even arguing with you, because while your methodology and facts are awful, you're right that we do need to stand up to big oil. But as for Iraq, universal health care, and Obama, you're fundamentally wrong. And I don't want to have to explain why for each topic. Do some damn research before you start spouting shit out of your math.

As for Japan's constitution, who gives a fuck. You're not a snapple cap, I don't want to hear random facts. Give me relevant arguments.

First off the first thing you did wrong was look at profits. They can tell you anything, you have to look at pure facts not information off of a website... Look at how many gallons we use a year. http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/tw..._gasoline.html. which is around 1.4 trillion gallons a year. Than add the price of gas to total how much money we gave to the gas companies. so around 1.4 gallons*3.50 cents for one gallon, and thats equal to about 4.9 trillion dollars payed at the pump every year. Second thing you did not realize is that those gas companies can PUT OUT and numbers they want. But of course out of that 4.9 trillion dollars you have go take out the cost of each barrel and the cost to make it and the cost to pay workers. But i would have to say that i seriously doubt all that cost over 4 trillion dollars.......

And Japan is totally relavant. If that worked for them it should work for iraq....

[mbleezy]

Originally Posted by Buddy Dink

What makes you guys think Obama is really that much different from McCain? And what makes you guys think Obama and McCain are really that much different from the oil companies? Neither of them really care about the people. The only reason either of them care about the people is because they need someone to feel superior to. Without the people these guys would have no money, no control, no power, which is exactly what they crave.

Instead of voting between a giant douche and a turd sandwhich, why don't we just say fuck government? There will never be a time, ever, where government does not infringe upon the rights of its peoples.

As for standing up to big oil, why don't we do just that? Stop buying big oil's oil. Shutting them down from within the system will just end up making more carbon copies of more politicians and the system will live longer. There are multiple things we can do, as people, to shut them down. We could find alternative feul sources, we could support small oil business, etc. Government is an evil tool and should never be used.

Universal healthcare? Again, we can not use the system, it will just be terrible. Instead, why don't people who care about the wellbeing of others to fund a hospital in a community that is free of charge.

But wait! We can't rely on ourselves to do something like that! Isn't that exactly what St. Jude's hospital is? A hospital run completely off of donations?

Always question authority, especially when that authority is yourself.

This is true

[Medicine Al]

I regret that I have but one vote to give for Obama.

Its amazing to me, how much more literate the Obama supporters are than the illiterati, who write trash like this original post.

If you want to scream in the night, go ahead, but if you've come to throw poop, you'll need some better shit than what I've read.

Bush=rubber stamp for Pentagon and contractors thereof.
McCain=Ditto

Cheney=Big Oil employee
Palin=Big oil employee

Sounds like they really want to change things....to the same as we already have them!

Fuck War
Fuck Big Oil
Fuck McCain/Palin


Get it?

[mbleezy]

Originally Posted by Medicine Al

I regret that I have but one vote to give for Obama.

Its amazing to me, how much more literate the Obama supporters are than the illiterati, who write trash like this original post.

If you want to scream in the night, go ahead, but if you've come to throw poop, you'll need some better shit than what I've read.

Bush=rubber stamp for Pentagon and contractors thereof.
McCain=Ditto

Cheney=Big Oil employee
Palin=Big oil employee

Sounds like they really want to change things....to the same as we already have them!

Fuck War
Fuck Big Oil
Fuck McCain/Palin


Get it?

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ing_obama.html


heres some facts

[Perpetual Burn]

Originally Posted by Medicine Al

I regret that I have but one vote to give for Obama.

Its amazing to me, how much more literate the Obama supporters are than the illiterati, who write trash like this original post.

If you want to scream in the night, go ahead, but if you've come to throw poop, you'll need some better shit than what I've read.

Bush=rubber stamp for Pentagon and contractors thereof.
McCain=Ditto

Cheney=Big Oil employee
Palin=Big oil employee

Sounds like they really want to change things....to the same as we already have them!

Fuck War
Fuck Big Oil
Fuck McCain/Palin


Get it?

It's this kind of blind optimism (or in your case misdirected cynicism) that is going to win John McCain this election. This is legitimate advice for you Obama supporters... quit pretending Obama is not pro-war! Seriously, how could the media let Obama win when everyone who supports him lives under the delusion that he is a peacenik? What will happen to the psyche of this nation and the world for that matter if Obama gets elected and starts a war with Iran? Shit, he only wants to pull out of Iraq (in 16 months after we've got plenty of time to stabilize our permanent bases) so he can refocus our efforts in Afghanistan.

Obama is a strong proponent of the offensive global war on terror and "will not hesitate to use force against any of America's enemies." He parrots all the same lies about how Ahmedinejad is a "madman" and a nuclear threat to the world... despite the fact that Iran suspended it's nuclear weapons campaign in 2003. He votes to provide a blank check for the military to continue fighting in Iraq despite his initial opposition to the war (he wasn't running for president then though.) Obama could not be any more pro-war if he walked around with an M-16 over his shoulder.

I don't see why you consider yourself so politically 'literate' yet are blind to the fact that Obama is pro-war. Wikipedia should add this as an example of "The pot calling the kettle black."

Al, generally you are one of the most logically cynical posters around here, but I really cannot figure out why you support Obama. You obvioulsy think Bush is in the pocket of Big Oil and the MIC... and anyone with half a brain would agree, but how you could be so naive to think that Obama is something different blows my mind.

[Bluntzilla420]

Originally Posted by mbleezy

Why would you even vote for Obama? He has no experience, no one knows anything about him besides that last year of his life. He has been with a church that openly degrades America. He had his daughter married by the preacher of that same church. He flip flops on most of his opinions depending on what the crowd wants. He only talks about change and does not really describe his own plans. He NEVER fully answers a question.

I DO NOT LIKE EITHER CANDIDATE BUT OUT OF THE TWO MCCAIN IS BETTER!

ISSUES:

Universal Health care- This idea is crap, people do not THINK in depth about this. Yeah it sounds good. Everyone gets health care and everyones happy right? NO. People do not realize how much the quality of care is going to go down. There will be so many people in the hostipals that the wait will be even longer than it is now. With universal heath care also comes more taxes because who is going to pay for it besides tax payers.

Iraq War- The Iraq war is a war. What do people excpet? NO WAR is just simple. It takes time and money... If we were in it for the Oil why are the prices going up? and dont you think that if we were after the oil we would have it already? I agree that it is getting old and that we should reduce the number of troops but we CANNOT just leave all of those people over there without nothing. They will go back to the communists way they were and we would have gone over there for absolutly nothing. And i hate when people say that we should have never went over there. Thats like saying "Oh well that killed 3000 people for no reason. We will forgive you!". And when 9/11 happened EVERYONE wanted to go to war but now that its costing money people dont agree with it.

MCCAIN 2008!!!!!

AND DO NOT JUST VOTE FOR OBAMA BECAUSE HE IS BLACK, AND THINK ABOUT IT....IF HE WAS WHITE WOULD YOU STILL HAVE CONSIDERED HIM? MAKE SURE YOU ACTUALLY INFOM YOURSELF ABOUT EACH CANDIATE BEFORE YOU MAKE A DECISION!

And thats just some of my opinions comment back so we can agrue haha



(Sorry if I am off on somethings but I think all the statements made above are true if not look them up and correct me)

I just had to read the first sentence. I am not voting for Obama...who would do a stupid thing like that? Oh yeah...Democrats. They only won 3 elections in the last FORTY years. Suckers.

But hey, Obama will change things...like his clothes from time to time. Universal health care is a wonderful idea. Let hospital waits be 3 hours and let people die in the waiting room....it is fabulous! That Barack...he is a smart one.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by mbleezy

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...ing_obama.html


heres some facts

Oh snap!1

Fuck Wars
Fuck Big Oil
Fuck Obama/McCain/Biden/Palin

/

[bkadoctaj]

Originally Posted by Buddy Dink

What makes you guys think Obama is really that much different from McCain? And what makes you guys think Obama and McCain are really that much different from the oil companies? Neither of them really care about the people. The only reason either of them care about the people is because they need someone to feel superior to. Without the people these guys would have no money, no control, no power, which is exactly what they crave.

Instead of voting between a giant douche and a turd sandwhich, why don't we just say fuck government? There will never be a time, ever, where government does not infringe upon the rights of its peoples.

As for standing up to big oil, why don't we do just that? Stop buying big oil's oil. Shutting them down from within the system will just end up making more carbon copies of more politicians and the system will live longer. There are multiple things we can do, as people, to shut them down. We could find alternative feul sources, we could support small oil business, etc. Government is an evil tool and should never be used.

Universal healthcare? Again, we can not use the system, it will just be terrible. Instead, why don't people who care about the wellbeing of others to fund a hospital in a community that is free of charge.

But wait! We can't rely on ourselves to do something like that! Isn't that exactly what St. Jude's hospital is? A hospital run completely off of donations?

Always question authority, especially when that authority is yourself.

Lack of faith in the government is understandable based on growing up in the last 8 years. I totally understand where you're coming from because I had to battle it myself. Government does have a purpose, and to deny that you're where you are at today in part because of the government formed over two hundred and thirty years is kind of silly. Fuck the government is nice in theory. If everyone were you, things would be excellent too, right?

Originally Posted by Bluntzilla420

I just had to read the first sentence. I am not voting for Obama...who would do a stupid thing like that? Oh yeah...Democrats. They only won 3 elections in the last FORTY years. Suckers.

But hey, Obama will change things...like his clothes from time to time. Universal health care is a wonderful idea. Let hospital waits be 3 hours and let people die in the waiting room....it is fabulous! That Barack...he is a smart one.

Oh, which candidate did you vote for in the last two elections? Did he or she win?

Sucker... jk

EDIT: Oops, I shouldn't be jumping to conclusions... you may have voted for Bush.

Sucker... (still) jk again