A ''confessional ''thread::: Have you jumped off the obama bandwagon?

[trikky]

Originally Posted by AugustWest

excellent idea.

Your avatar and your political philosophy seem ironically similar.... or maybe not so ironically.

[AugustWest]

Originally Posted by trikky

Your avatar and your political philosophy seem ironically similar.... or maybe not so ironically.

i don't quite understand where you're coming from. Should i have a specific political philosophy based on my av?

[trikky]

Originally Posted by AugustWest

i don't quite understand where you're coming from. Should i have a specific political philosophy based on my av?

It wasn't an accusation, simply an observation. I know the Dead, at least in their early years were more inclined to not participate in a political process at all. I didn't mean anything negative or positive about it, simply an observation.

[AugustWest]

Originally Posted by trikky

It wasn't an accusation, simply an observation. I know the Dead, at least in their early years were more inclined to not participate in a political process at all. I didn't mean anything negative or positive about it, simply an observation.

lol cool man, didn't mean to freak.. i just got a PM from someone the other day busting my balls for being a dead head and not voting for obama lol. (i guess weir and lesh endorsed him)

i'm not a big fan of the process, but i can't help but to be involved, or at least discuss it with others. I did donate to a candidate for the 1st time in my life (ron paul) which is something i thout i would never do..
I'm sure if i were 20 years younger and lived during the dead's early years my attitude would be different.

[vc77]

Trust me, if a war wasn't going on I wouldn't be voting.

Now is not the time to say "NO MORE" to voting for a lesser of two evils. American bodies are cooling in the dust of Iraq and Afghanistan as we speak. To the average american this is no big deal because you only have to hear about it once or twice a week on the news. I've seen a servicewoman take a 7.62 round to the jawbone killing her instantly. I've picked the hamburger meat of american soldiers I never knew out of charred humvees coming back from patrol. I've smelled the blood. I've seen the giant black plumes of smoke drifting into the sky 15 minutes after a massive IED explosion is called up on a SITREP. It became VERY real for me then. I no longer saw the point in good americans dying so some contractors can buy a fourth summer home.

Not voting right now just seems too irresponsible for me to be a part of. Voting for McCain is the only thing more childish in my eyes. Through the years I've concluded that conservative philosophy is simply justification for selfishness. I'm doing everything I can to keep that mindset out of the captains chair, and Obama is the only person with a chance of doing so. So, do I support his stance on the FISA capitulation? No. Do I support his evangelical views? No. He has proved to me over and over again that he is not the messiah, simply just another politician. But does that mean I will not vote for him? Absolutely not. This is not a game to me. I could care less about my fucking gas prices and taxdollars. We're human beings goddamnit, our lives have value.

[nfs924]

Originally Posted by AugustWest

agreed man. It seems to me that so many people (myself included) aren't happy with our "choice" of candidates.
if the majority are unhappy with these 2 guys (mccain & obama) then who chose them?

imo the media truely dictates what goes on in these elections. Just look at the debates, certain guys got asked way more questions than others. Shit.. some guys never even got their names mentioned on TV at all (ron paul). It just seems like the fix is in to me.

to answer chicken's question.. i had my eye on obama and liked what i saw at first (not a huge supporter at any time).. but saw politics as usual after a while, and it turned me off.

I really wish more people were able to hear ron paul speak.. he's the first candidate in my life that truely seemed to have the american citizen's interests at heart.

I completely agree with you, I'm not even planning on voting because I'm unsatisfied with both of the candidates. Ron Paul was my choice, but you know as well as I do, that he is not running. If only a majority of the people would open their minds more, and actually realized what direction the US should be going in.

[vc77]

Originally Posted by nfs924

If only a majority of the people would open their minds more, and actually realized what direction the US should be going in.

Not voting will never perpetuate our government in the direction you want. You cannot possibly COMPLETELY disagree with both sides on every issue. Even if you feel like you're voting for the lesser of two evils, you are doing the right thing. Or it could just be that you don't give a shit. Trust me, I wouldn't be suprised; No one gives a fuck anymore. Enlist in the military and you'll start to see how the vast majority of America could give a rats ass about the truth. 2 dollars worth of compassion in the form of a yellow magnet made in China and you can call it good. Conscience wiped clean. As long as they get thier bread and circuses. Bread and fucking circuses.

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by vc77

Now is not the time to say "NO MORE" to voting for a lesser of two evils.

I'm doing everything I can to keep that mindset out of the captains chair, and Obama is the only person with a chance of doing so.

Aren't you voting for the lesser of two evils then?

Obama is just as much for the war on terror as McCain. Troops won't be coming home... just trudging on to expand the Great American Empire.

[AugustWest]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Aren't you voting for the lesser of two evils then?

Obama is just as much for the war on terror as McCain. Troops won't be coming home... just trudging on to expand the Great American Empire.

aaronman, i agree with this 100%. Why is everyone under the impression that Obama NOT a pro-war candidate?

[vc77]

Originally Posted by aaronman

Aren't you voting for the lesser of two evils then?

Obama is just as much for the war on terror as McCain. Troops won't be coming home... just trudging on to expand the Great American Empire.

Now is NOT the time to say "NO MORE" to voting for a lesser of two evils.

Now, as in RIGHT NOW, is NOT THE TIME to say "NO MORE" to voting for the lesser of two evils.

Two evils. Right now. Not the time to say NO MORE.

Do I need to say that again?

Iraq is not the homefront for the war on "Terror" (If you believe in that shit anyways). Iraq is a staged war. A war on money. A war on control. Control of YOUR mind and YOUR body. Alot of people are getting fat and fucking rich and your mindset is EXACTLY what makes them happy. And fat. And rich.

As far as Obama? If he doesn't set a timetable on day one, IVAW (Which I am a member of, www.ivaw.org) and I will be marching down Pennsylvania avenue to raise hell. Will I be flipping cars and setting them on fire? Hopefully not, but this is serious to some of us. Like I said in other posts, it's easy for the average american to shrug/laugh it off. That little -roll eyes- smiley tells me you think this is a joke. As far as your concerned it isn't even real, right?

Straight from Obama's website:

“Here is the truth: fighting a war without end will not force the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own future. And fighting in a war without end will not make the American people safer.So when I am Commander-in-Chief, I will set a new goal on day one: I will end this war. Not because politics compels it. Not because our troops cannot bear the burden- as heavy as it is. But because it is the right thing to do for our national security, and it will ultimately make us safer.”

—Barack Obama, Clinton, Fayetteville, North Carolina, March 19, 2008


"Barack Obama believes we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – more than 7 years after the war began.
Under the Obama plan, a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel. He will not build permanent bases in Iraq, but will continue efforts to train and support the Iraqi security forces as long as Iraqi leaders move toward political reconciliation and away from sectarianism."

I don't know about you, but I've been there. And you say some shit like that to someone who has been to war you better hold your word. This is the ONLY reason I am voting in this quadrennial exercise and if he flakes like you're so positive of I'm not quite sure he'll ever live it down.

Maybe I should be cynical. Maybe I should be skeptical. But I cannot be. I've seen the damages of an unjust war. I've lost friends. It's real buddy, and it is NOT a joke. It's Americans like you that make us feel hopeless when we're over there. Lazy, apathetic Americans who could give a fuck less. I didn't sign up for money. I didn't sign up for honor. I didn't sign up because my daddy told me so. I signed up (in '02) because I thought terrorists were real and I wanted to fight in Afgahnistan. I wanted to kill somebody. I wanted justice. Upon being sent to Iraq for 15 months I found out I was dead wrong. This shit is fucking fake and I want it to end, NOW.

So, we have two evils running for presidential office.

One says:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

and the other says:

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/...7ea83f11d8.htm

Who the fuck do you think I'm voting for?

Call me stupid. Call me hard-headed. Call me blind.

Maybe I am hopeful. Maybe I shouldn't be.

But one thing I cannot do and could never do, is stand back and let something like this happen. That's probably why I am voting and you're not. That's probably why I enlisted in the United States Army during a time of war and you didn't. This may not mean anything to you, but it has affected and changed my life, and the lives of many good friends.

So I am voting. For Barack Obama. I won't buy into your warnings, and if you're right, may whatever God he prays to help him. You dont give false promises to war vets, and I'd like to think Obama is smart enough to realize that.

/endrant

[aaronman]

Originally Posted by vc77

Now is NOT the time to say "NO MORE" to voting for a lesser of two evils.

Now, as in RIGHT NOW, is NOT THE TIME to say "NO MORE" to voting for the lesser of two evils.

Two evils. Right now. Not the time to say NO MORE.

Do I need to say that again?

Haha, you're crazed

As far as Obama? If he doesn't set a timetable on day one, IVAW (Which I am a member of, www.ivaw.org) and I will be marching down Pennsylvania avenue to raise hell.

I hope he is held accountable for his campaign promises.

Like I said in other posts, it's easy for the average american to shrug/laugh it off. That little -roll eyes- smiley tells me you think this is a joke. As far as your concerned it isn't even real, right?

No, I was rolling my eyes at the absurdity that is the "War on Terror". It is an impossible feat, and violence is certainly not the way to achieve peace. Does the war on drugs work? No.

Straight from Obama's website:

"Barack Obama believes we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war."

Ending the war... in Iraq. The whole "war" on islam that is perpetuated by our violence is insane, since he supports it, he's a dick.

I don't know about you, but I've been there. And you say some shit like that to someone who has been to war you better hold your word.

Never been to war, but I'm well versed in military and political history. I know the war on terror is a sham.

Just read:

I've lost friends. It's real buddy, and it is NOT a joke.

/endrant

Why are you talking to me like I support the war? Good for you for joining, I believed what they said 6 years ago too.

I don't know what I'm gonna do about voting. I voted in the primaries, because I could have actually made a difference there, but as far as the national election... :shrug:

[stoned budda]

Originally Posted by vc77

Now is NOT the time to say "NO MORE" to voting for a lesser of two evils.

Now, as in RIGHT NOW, is NOT THE TIME to say "NO MORE" to voting for the lesser of two evils.

Two evils. Right now. Not the time to say NO MORE.

Do I need to say that again?

Iraq is not the homefront for the war on "Terror" (If you believe in that shit anyways). Iraq is a staged war. A war on money. A war on control. Control of YOUR mind and YOUR body. Alot of people are getting fat and fucking rich and your mindset is EXACTLY what makes them happy. And fat. And rich.

As far as Obama? If he doesn't set a timetable on day one, IVAW (Which I am a member of, www.ivaw.org) and I will be marching down Pennsylvania avenue to raise hell. Will I be flipping cars and setting them on fire? Hopefully not, but this is serious to some of us. Like I said in other posts, it's easy for the average american to shrug/laugh it off. That little -roll eyes- smiley tells me you think this is a joke. As far as your concerned it isn't even real, right?

Straight from Obama's website:

“Here is the truth: fighting a war without end will not force the Iraqis to take responsibility for their own future. And fighting in a war without end will not make the American people safer.So when I am Commander-in-Chief, I will set a new goal on day one: I will end this war. Not because politics compels it. Not because our troops cannot bear the burden- as heavy as it is. But because it is the right thing to do for our national security, and it will ultimately make us safer.”

—Barack Obama, Clinton, Fayetteville, North Carolina, March 19, 2008


"Barack Obama believes we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 – more than 7 years after the war began.
Under the Obama plan, a residual force will remain in Iraq and in the region to conduct targeted counter-terrorism missions against al Qaeda in Iraq and to protect American diplomatic and civilian personnel. He will not build permanent bases in Iraq, but will continue efforts to train and support the Iraqi security forces as long as Iraqi leaders move toward political reconciliation and away from sectarianism."

I don't know about you, but I've been there. And you say some shit like that to someone who has been to war you better hold your word. This is the ONLY reason I am voting in this quadrennial exercise and if he flakes like you're so positive of I'm not quite sure he'll ever live it down.

Maybe I should be cynical. Maybe I should be skeptical. But I cannot be. I've seen the damages of an unjust war. I've lost friends. It's real buddy, and it is NOT a joke. It's Americans like you that make us feel hopeless when we're over there. Lazy, apathetic Americans who could give a fuck less. I didn't sign up for money. I didn't sign up for honor. I didn't sign up because my daddy told me so. I signed up (in '02) because I thought terrorists were real and I wanted to fight in Afgahnistan. I wanted to kill somebody. I wanted justice. Upon being sent to Iraq for 15 months I found out I was dead wrong. This shit is fucking fake and I want it to end, NOW.

So, we have two evils running for presidential office.

One says:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

and the other says:

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/...7ea83f11d8.htm

Who the fuck do you think I'm voting for?

Call me stupid. Call me hard-headed. Call me blind.

Maybe I am hopeful. Maybe I shouldn't be.

But one thing I cannot do and could never do, is stand back and let something like this happen. That's probably why I am voting and you're not. That's probably why I enlisted in the United States Army during a time of war and you didn't. This may not mean anything to you, but it has affected and changed my life, and the lives of many good friends.

So I am voting. For Barack Obama. I won't buy into your warnings, and if you're right, may whatever God he prays to help him. You dont give false promises to war vets, and I'd like to think Obama is smart enough to realize that.

/endrant

[vc77]

Originally Posted by stoned budda

Exactly. I put forth an argument, and you google some asinine picture. Well played!

[stoned budda]

Originally Posted by vc77
Now is NOT the time to say "NO MORE" to voting for a lesser of two evils.

Now, as in RIGHT NOW, is NOT THE TIME to say "NO MORE" to voting for the lesser of two evils.

Two evils. Right now. Not the time to say NO MORE.

Do I need to say that again?

Iraq is not the homefront for the war on "Terror" (If you believe in that shit anyways). Iraq is a staged war. A war on money. A war on control. Control of YOUR mind and YOUR body. Alot of people are getting fat and fucking rich and your mindset is EXACTLY what makes them happy. And fat. And rich.

As far as Obama? If he doesn't set a timetable on day one, IVAW (Which I am a member of, www.ivaw.org) and I will be marching down Pennsylvania avenue to raise hell. Will I be flipping cars and setting them on fire? Hopefully not, but this is serious to some of us. Like I said in other posts, it's easy for the average american to shrug/laugh it off. That little -roll eyes- smiley tells me you think this is a joke. As far as your concerned it isn't even real, right? [QUOTE]

You don't think this sounds like a nut ranting? Flipping cars, setting them on fire? I mean we see from past riots how they work so well.

You see intelligent people are immediately turned off from your argument no matter how relevant it may be, when you start it with the ranting diatribe of a psychotic. most people will read a few lines, laugh and dismiss it and move on.

[AugustWest]

Originally Posted by vc77

As far as Obama? If he doesn't set a timetable on day one, IVAW (Which I am a member of, www.ivaw.org) and I will be marching down Pennsylvania avenue to raise hell.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080822/...56zCzmUBNI2ocA

BAGHDAD - Iraq and the U.S. pushed close to a deal Thursday setting a course for American combat troops to pull out of major Iraqi cities by next June, with a broader withdrawal from the long and costly war by 2011.