So i can't be the only one noticing that the weather has taken a turn towards something freaky to put it lightly... At least here in the midwest its wicked hot and dry as a bone, and there hasn't been significant rain in over a month now with little to none in sight (hoping for a rain tommorrow... we will see tho). It's not hard to sense that people around here are starting to think something is very wrong with the ecosystem. I was reading an article in a local paper earlier with an interview with a farmer whose hay production has gone down by about twenty times from last year during this season. The lack of water has made it a fire hazard for farmers to use machinery in the fields. So if this isn't some freak case (looking at the radar makes me doubt it) its safe to say that as the agricultural industry suffers due to the vibes of the planet, food will become scarcer, and prices will go up. This isn't some end of the world scare i am pushing, it is the reality of the situation. It is the middle of July and its almost impossible to find green grass. Ninety percent of the grass here is the color of sand. I read that conditions this year are a direct effect of climate change caused by humans. This was one story on an alternate news website, so i'm a bit weary of its credibility, but either way, here we are experiencing record breaking droughts. Now i don't think this is really news to anyone who has half a brain... but we are clearly out of touch with reality on this planet, specifically with the planet herself. Now we have been living in the daze of infinite growth through deregulated economics for quite sometime now... due to a combination of laziness, ridiculous comfort, as well as a common tendency to ignore the wide world's situation, and i dare say we are currently going through a harsh reality check. Droughts aside, climate change aside, we are using up the last of the energy sources that have served as the foundation for this human society we live in. Oil drilling is getting more and more desperate, despite the increased production going on in the American West right now (at the rate we burn it it can't last long). Otherwise there is the off-shore drilling going on, which is terribly inefficient, and what's left in the middle-east, which is an extreme trigger for conflict. Despite the way we abuse this energy source, it is finite. One day there will be none, or at least none that anyone will bother to drill for. Now as this time-bomb continues to tick away there is very little push to finding a solution to upcoming energy crises, as alternative energy sources are being crushed in the economic realm by the fossil fuel giants, as well as these alternatives own physical limitations. It becomes more obvious each day that we have put this off long enough. It is time to accept that there is a limit to what the planet can provide for us. Since there is a limit, and we ourselves are right now in this moment totally dependent on this planet for all of the things we need, love, breathe, and live, it is totally logical that we should be trying to get more in tune with the ecological balance that has been sustained here for eons. The most important thing has to developing a greater consciousness of whats going on here. Can it be denied that although seemingly innocent, our wasteful ways are ultimately enacting genocide for future generations? It seems terribly unintelligent that we as self-aware organisms would so clumsily undo the balance that all the other organisms have been keeping in place since the beginning of life on this planet. Culturally there is absolutely no discipline, no aim, and no goal for people as a collective on this planet. We have been running the rat-race like chickens without heads. Alright that's that. Since most of ya'll here seem to be pushing for Ron Paul and preaching the liberty thing, i want to know how deregulating the system further will help the human race on this planet in a long-term sense. Obviously it would be nice to spark a joint in a restaurant, but that is a fairly stupid reason to put your energy behind a movement as radical as libertarianism, Ayn Randism, or whatever ya'll are calling yourselves these days. Personally i am not going to get behind any politician or political movement until i start to see the reemergence of actual logic, and actual reason. None of this phony "rational-self interest" garbage. Deuces.
Too high to read it all while watching a movie, but my uncle told me I was brainwashed for believing in global warming, and then he said it was climate change......okkkkkkk global warming means the earth is warming hahaha It is crazy shit, but we shall see. We feel it could be bad, but look at the dust bowl......I personally do believe humans aren't helping it.......but just because I feel it doesn't make it right
I've never known who to trust about global warming also. Different scientists say different things and one side is always accusing the other of lying for their own selfish purposes. Check this image out though: http://www.openhandweb.org/files/openhand/images/Extreme weather june12.preview.jpg It's weird shit going on this summer.
Dude there has ALWAYS been shit going on everywhere. It would actually be more unusual if everything was perfectly fine and their was no severe weather in the entire world for a whole year.
I'm not convinced we are having a significant impact on meteorogical/ biological rythyms, nor am i convinced we are not. Either way most in the U.S. are experiencing a severe drought as of now. Unless there is free access to obscene amounts of water, i cannot see this passing by without affecting the amount of food being produced. The thread isn't really about global warming/ climate change, its about the reality of a world with finite resources inhabited by folks with an infinite growth fantasy. The drought was my inspiration. Do you have an opinion to add to this?
I was just responding to the picture you posted, that's all. And you're not one of those venus project, totalitarian, "centrally plan the worlds economy" around the resources people, are you? lol Scarcity pushes invention and innovation. There is ALWAYS a solution to problems. There are plenty alternatives to the finite resources we have. There are infinite resources all around us.
No. Just a concerned Homosapien. I hate to burst your bubble but nothing is going to take the place of oil. Virtually everything in the modern human world we create with oil. If it is not a chemical rearrangement of oil, oil was used in all the required transportation. There are also an obscene amount of automobiles on this planet that will only run on with oil. If you are talking nuclear power, we are trapped there as well. The construction of nuclear power plants is one of the most energy intensive processes in the world. There are no infinite resources.
Have you been on Facebook and seen what the majority of people are preoccupied with? Try having a serious discussion with an average person with a topic like peak oil. Celebrity, Sports, and Consumer culture completely dominate the intellectual energies of nearly everybody. Imminent catastrophe from peak oil and certain destruction down the road from climate change are no match for what the author Chris Hedges calls "the debauched revels of a dying civilization". Nothing will be done about any of these problems until it is too late unfortunately. No point in worrying about something you can't change.
Well, certain areas are getting much earlier spring. We are already picking tomatoes this time of the year, instead of usual late July to mid August. My friend believes that we will get much earlier winter, like around sept. I might agree with that statement. Also, remember Jan 2011, the day when birds died and fishes died for no apparent reasons. I believe Earth toppled several degrees. Also, if you looked at the moon, it's at a different degree angle than what we usually seen for years/decades/centuries. The Earth is toppling right now. It may spin out of control and next thing we know, we'll be flip upside down. It's a like a quarter, when you watch it spins, you see the heads facing up for couple times, next thing you know you see the head is upside down. It's probably the same shit going on right now. As far we see, Earth isn't consist. Mother nature knows no boundaries. How can anybody take weather seriously like global warming. We don't even know Earth's weather and patterns, probably like .00000001%. This whole global warming is just a political scheme, they want more excuses to steal your wealth so they can spend it all on bombs. We got much bigger fish to fry. The Earth is shifting and technology is overwhelming. This whole gov/states isn't comparable to issues that we are facing right now. Who gives a shit about gov?
Never read Chris Hedges, personally. Tell me about these debauched revels. Sounds interesting. Its too late if and only if we decide this is true. There's no reason not to talk about it. The preoccupation with consumer culture is a facade... it fills the voids when there is nothing real to talk about... most of the stuff on fakebook is put there because people want to have a certain reputation. talk to people in real life and you figure this out. and i do try and bring it up, and sometimes it sticks.
Sorry man, but from here that reads like it was typed by someone out of their head on a unnecessarily large dose of acid. Is english your first language? Will you explain what this "toppling earth" theory is. Also what does the moon have to do with the resources available to us on this planet besides hydropower?
The "debauched revels" are the spectacles that civilizations participate in as a distraction from their decay and death. The Romans had the insanity of the Colosseum. Vast, complicated, court conspiracies served to distract and entertain the English in the Middle Ages. We now have Celebrity Culture and vacuous events such as American Idol and Professional Sports which serve as distraction for the masses. As the economic crisis intensifies, people will retreat further from the distinct confines of reality and into illusion as people from all civilizations have done in the past when their civilization falls apart. As things get worse, there will be less and less will to confront problems such as Global Warming or Peak Oil.
Yes. And we have access to this now... but instead of using it we're all drinking the filthy fracked water, and breathing in the poison while a few people make insane sums of money by abusing the masses and the land. And that is a perfect explanation of capitalism right there. I hope your sun, wind, and hemp fantasy comes true... maybe it will. Either way human ingenuity has not been encouraged as much as it has been suppressed by this deregulated system. If that weren't true we'd be driving hydrogen powered vehicles today.
Environmentalism has its place but it's also a tool used to remove freedoms. If you want to understand the situation be a scientist. There is one thing that no one needs to be a scientist to understand though. H2O + CO2 = H2CO3. H2CO3 is Carbonic acid. This is what forms when co2 that we pump into the air mixes with the oceans. The oceans also happen to be the world's co2 buffer. The oceans will get more acidic the more co2 we pump into the atmosphere and that will lead to coral reefs dying and organisms in general be less able to survive in the new acidic environment. We will lose a shit ton of fish, which we just so happen to rely on for a large part of our food. This is something that's never ever brought up by either side it seems and I don't know why.
[quote name='"Brenjin"']Environmentalism has its place but it's also a tool used to remove freedoms. If you want to understand the situation be a scientist. There is one thing that no one needs to be a scientist to understand though. H2O + CO2 = H2CO3. H2CO3 is Carbonic acid. This is what forms when co2 that we pump into the air mixes with the oceans. The oceans also happen to be the world's co2 buffer. The oceans will get more acidic the more co2 we pump into the atmosphere and that will lead to coral reefs dying and organisms in general be less able to survive in the new acidic environment. We will lose a shit ton of fish, which we just so happen to rely on for a large part of our food. This is something that's never ever brought up by either side it seems and I don't know why.[/quote] I'm like 99.99% sure that gets brought up by the environmentalists.
Not by many and it's never brought up by the opposition. All I hear is crap about the atmosphere and nothing about the oceans becoming more acidic. Especially here on this forum. I've been here a couple years and it's rarely if ever brought up in these discussions.
Govt answer to "climate change"? Geo-engineering fail. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA]What in the World Are They Spraying? (Full Length) - YouTube[/ame]