ID for voting=racist, ID for seeing Holder=not

NAACP Requires Photo I.D. to See Holder Speak in State Being Sued Over Voter ID - Katie Pavlich


Can anybody actually explain to me how requiring ID to vote is racist, or how it disproportionately affects any minorities? I hear it all the time from retarded liberals, but as is the case with most of their statements it's never backed up with facts, just more emotional appeals (aka lack of logic).


Riddle me this.....
Let's say a lot of black people decide that they don't like to buy car insurance. As a result, more black people are ticketed/arrested for driving without insurance. The law requiring car insurance now disproportionately affects black people; should we now strike down the law, because it disproportionately affects black people....?


Now, let's say a lot of Hispanic people (legal Hispanics, mind you) decide that they don't like to carry photo ID. As a result, more Hispanics are disallowed from voting. The law requiring ID to vote now disproportionately affects Hispanics; should we now strike down the law, because it disproportionately affects Hispanics....?


If the law was requiring photo ID, and it was somehow more difficult or impossible for Hispanics or blacks to get photo ID, I could understand the ID law disproportionately affects blacks or Hispanics. Exactly how is it difficult for anybody of any one group to get photo ID...?

The logical explanation is that it is only difficult for those who are here illegally to get photo ID. As far as I understand, voting is for citizens of the country holding the elections. Just as I should not be allowed to go down to Mexico or up to Canada to vote in their elections as a non-citizen, nor should we allow that here.

If voter ID laws disproportionately affect illegal immigrants, that's the entire goddamned point. From Citizenship and Immigration itself, "Only U.S. citizens can vote in federal elections. Registering to vote or voting in a federal election is a crime if you are not a U.S. citizen. Non-U.S. citizens, including permanent residents (green card holders), who vote, or register to vote, in a federal election also can be denied naturalization and/or removed (deported) from the United States." Since it is illegal for illegal immigrants to vote, how is making it more difficult for them to vote a bad thing?

What reasonable explanations are there for voter ID laws disproportionately affecting ANY racial minorities???

Yes, I know Obama and the rest of his regime want/need the illegal voters, just like they need dead people and dogs to continue voting for them. It's obvious that this is the real reason, but I'm asking more for reasonable justifications, not horseshit emotional appeals.

Finally, to further illustrate why voter ID laws are a good idea, here's somebody voting as Atty Gen Eric Holder himself (or at least being handed Holder's ballot...obviously the guy didn't cast the vote because THATwould be a CRIME )
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Edited by zpyro, 11 July 2012 - 03:12 AM.

Sounds like typical fucked up politics.

Yeah, that's irrelevant and a waste of a post. If you don't like politics, you might wanna stay out of....well, Politics. Thanks though.

Yeah, that's irrelevant and a waste of a post. If you don't like politics, you might wanna stay out of....well, Politics. Thanks though.

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."

Plato

I can't believe this is even a problem. I just wanna slap the liberals who thought of this in the face.

.....Bueller....???

i had to have 2 forms of id last week just to get a p.o. box, one had to be photo, the other was my voter registration card

I suppose its discriminatory against poor people (of all races)

I thought it was common sense that you should have to have an I.D. to vote.

The Naacp is racist by its very nature.

I think they point to all the southern laws that discriminated against minorities before the civil rights movement that prevented bblacks from voting by sheer difficulty, not that I agree with anti Id for voting, but either way you still have to be a registered voter before hand, and I believe u must have the voter registration card but not sure

And most laws do disportingly effect minorities. And still exist.

I suppose its discriminatory against poor people (of all races)

I thought it was common sense that you should have to have an I.D. to vote.

The Naacp is racist by its very nature.

the NAACP is a racist organization. Obama is a racist. Christ Rock is a raciest. Morgan Freeman is a racist, Samual L Jackson is a racist and so is James Earl Jones. Lets not forget about Ludacris. Holder is a big time racist.

According to their own standards they are all racists which is the worst thing you can be in today's brand of political correctness. However they all believe that because they are black they can not be racist.

Black racism is really coming out in the open which we were all warned about before electing Obama in the first place. Obama divided the nation. We all knew it was coming.

Edit: Showing an ID before voting is racist because they expect Obama supporters to 'multiply' which means vote more than once.

Obama also told voters to "multiply" themselves to help get the president reelected.

Edited by maxrule, 12 July 2012 - 08:10 PM.

the NAACP is a racist organization. Obama is a racist. Christ Rock is a raciest. Morgan Freeman is a racist, Samual L Jackson is a racist and so is James Earl Jones. Lets not forget about Ludacris. Holder is a big time racist.

According to their own standards they are all racists which is the worst thing you can be in today's brand of political correctness. However they all believe that because they are black they can not be racist.

Black racism is really coming out in the open which we were all warned about before electing Obama in the first place. Obama divided the nation. We all knew it was coming.

Its kinda accepted by most IMO that a black can be "reasonably suspect " aka sorta racist, since they were slaves and counted as a third of a person for how long? A lot has changed in the past 60 years but that doesn't erase people's memory of being beat for trying to go to a better school or use a clean whites only bathroom.

Its not as if blacks have power to hold down the white man, wtf does it matter if some dislike most rich white people ? Its not like any significant majority actually thinks that scientifically and under gods view that blacks are a superior species while whites are half animals and deserve to be treated as so

Edited by dankydankk, 13 July 2012 - 12:58 AM.

Its kinda accepted by most IMO that a black can be "reasonably suspect " aka racist, since they were slaves and counted as a third of a person for how long? A lot has changed in the past 60 years but that doesn't erase people's memory of being beat for trying to go to a better school or use a clean whites only bathroom.

Its not as if blacks have power to hold down the white man, wtf does it matter if some dislike most rich white people ? Its not like any significant majority actually thinks that scientifically and under gods view that blacks are a superior species while whites are half animals and deserve to be treated as so

I am/was Jewish my people were oppressed for centuries does that give me the right to oppress people? NO! TWO WRONGS NEVER MAKE A RIGHT! ONCE A BLACK PERSON BECOMES A RACIST HE/SHE IS NO BETTER THAN A WHITE RACIST!

I am/was Jewish my people were oppressed for centuries does that give me the right to oppress people? NO! TWO WRONGS NEVER MAKE A RIGHT! ONCE A BLACK PERSON BECOMES A RACIST HE/SHE IS NO BETTER THAN A WHITE RACIST!

When did I say oppress? I specifically said blacks clearly cannot hold the white man down, and do not think their "better" than whites

Are you trying to say there's no significant groups among Jewish that are "reasonably suspect "?

Because that's false

Right now some politicians in Israel are freaking out over an individual state of Germany outlawing the circumcision of babies..noting how awful it is that Germany can even think of implementing anything that resembles anti Jewish legislation.

I call that reasonably suspect due to the fact that Germany oppressed jews, some will call that racist if any Jews have a prejudice against Germans. If another country had done the same Israel probably wouldn't have been as upset.

And to add, most of the nazi evil is always told to have been only amongst a few of the German population while the rest were caught up in post ww1 Germany depression,

In the u.s. many many peoples of the general population thought that it was gods will that the white man enslaved the colored negro, and that science backed it, it wasn't some sudden sweep, it was hugely popular for a long time,

Edited by dankydankk, 12 July 2012 - 11:33 PM.

the NAACP is a racist organization. Obama is a racist. Christ Rock is a raciest. Morgan Freeman is a racist, Samual L Jackson is a racist and so is James Earl Jones. Lets not forget about Ludacris. Holder is a big time racist.

According to their own standards they are all racists which is the worst thing you can be in today's brand of political correctness. However they all believe that because they are black they can not be racist.

Black racism is really coming out in the open which we were all warned about before electing Obama in the first place. Obama divided the nation. We all knew it was coming.

Edit: Showing an ID before voting is racist because they expect Obama supporters to 'multiply' which means vote more than once.

Obama also told voters to "multiply" themselves to help get the president reelected.

Really dude?? In no one way is it possible that Obama said multiply he meant gain more people to support? More people to actually come out to vote instead of the dismal 60% of the population, which is even lower among blacks

"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that is that you end up being governed by your inferiors."

Plato

You will end up being governed by your inferiors regardless.

The fact that people are saying this is racist in absurd. Any American citizen can get an I.D. regardless of there race.

Really dude?? In no one way is it possible that Obama said multiply he meant gain more people to support? More people to actually come out to vote instead of the dismal 60% of the population, which is even lower among blacks

You are spot on. From the above link:

"And even more important, he needs you to multiply yourselves," Obama said to supporters. "Think about it like that. Multiply yourselves. Reach out to everybody you know. Your friends, family, neighbors and tell them to go to barackobama.com -- find out how they can roll up their sleeves and get involved."


On the matter of providing hurdles to voting, it's not necessarily racist (although it sure has been used that way through history). It can and does disportionately effect the older population. If there have been little to none fraud why create hurdles to impede a Constitutional Right? Prosecute those that are committing fraud, don't prevent Granny from voting. Hell some States only want to allow 1 day to provide credentials.



Blocking eligible voters who cannot show documentation violates the Constitution and federal law. The Supreme Court requires meticulous scrutiny of state regulations that place serious burdens on citizens’ fundamental right to vote. Only those laws narrowly tailored to advance a compelling state interest have been allowed to stand. Proof of citizenship requirements unduly deny the right to vote to citizens without available documentation. Moreover, because of the high cost of the necessary official documents, proof of citizenship requirements also serve as an unconstitutional poll tax. Proof of citizenship requirements also violate federal voter registration statutes. In 1993, Congress passed the National Voter Registration Act (also known as the “Motor/Voter” law), in order to facilitate voter registration. Among other things, the law standardizes the information requested of registrants through a uniform federal registration form. During consideration of the law, Congress specifically rejected an attempt to require proof of citizenship as part of that form. Earlier this year, the federal agency with the authority to interpret the Motor/Voter law clearly explained that states may not impose requirements - like proof of citizenship - over and above the information required on the federal form itself.

The fact that people are saying this is racist in absurd. Any American citizen can get an I.D. regardless of there race.

They already have voter registration cards, what if your poor and the DMV is 40miles away and you have no car? Wtf is the point if you already have to prove your identify when you get your card???

Read my last post, not to long ago southern states had plenty of tactics similar that were aimed at keeping blacks out of voting .. who else will have a problem getting their id renewed besides poor people? these laws may have certain specifics that we don't know,

They already have voter registration cards, what if your poor and the DMV is 40miles away and you have no car? Wtf is the point if you already have to prove your identify when you get your card???

Read my last post, not to long ago southern states had plenty of tactics similar that were aimed at keeping blacks out of voting .. who else will have a problem getting their id renewed besides poor people? these laws may have certain specifics that we don't know,

I'm not saying someone should need an ID but they should have to prove they are atlases a citizen of this country. That's what this bill is about. Let's be honest. It's not towards blacks or Latinos but towards illegals and I dont see anything wrong with that.

You are spot on. From the above link:

"And even more important, he needs you to multiply yourselves," Obama said to supporters. "Think about it like that. Multiply yourselves. Reach out to everybody you know. Your friends, family, neighbors and tell them to go to barackobama.com -- find out how they can roll up their sleeves and get involved."


On the matter of providing hurdles to voting, it's not necessarily racist (although it sure has been used that way through history). It can and does disportionately effect the older population. If there have been little to none fraud why create hurdles to impede a Constitutional Right? Prosecute those that are committing fraud, don't prevent Granny from voting. Hell some States only want to allow 1 day to provide credentials.

Blocking eligible voters who cannot show documentation violates the Constitution and federal law. The Supreme Court requires meticulous scrutiny of state regulations that place serious burdens on citizens’ fundamental right to vote. Only those laws narrowly tailored to advance a compelling state interest have been allowed to stand. Proof of citizenship requirements unduly deny the right to vote to citizens without available documentation. Moreover, because of the high cost of the necessary official documents, proof of citizenship requirements also serve as an unconstitutional poll tax. Proof of citizenship requirements also violate federal voter registration statutes. In 1993, Congress passed the National Voter Registration Act (also known as the “Motor/Voter” law), in order to facilitate voter registration. Among other things, the law standardizes the information requested of registrants through a uniform federal registration form. During consideration of the law, Congress specifically rejected an attempt to require proof of citizenship as part of that form. Earlier this year, the federal agency with the authority to interpret the Motor/Voter law clearly explained that states may not impose requirements - like proof of citizenship - over and above the information required on the federal form itself.

This, right here.

Who else has problems gaining fast, expensive documents that are suddenly required besides old poor folks? Its not as black and white as "its just an id" , there's no real reason for the legislation besides limiting voter turn out,