USA bombard iraq VS the whole world

[Gri77oN]

ok now, let's hear your arguments.

mine are:

1/
the USA politicians obtained the authorisation from USA citizens by telling
them that saddam hussein had WMD, that he was in bed with alquaida

note: he didn't, he doesn't.



2/
the USA politicians were to go to the UN Security Council to ask permission
to invade iraq (again with the arguments of wmd/alquaida).
The security Council (through France, mainly) said we will not give you the
authorisation to invade.

note: instead of having "no" said formely, the USA choose not to ask and
invaded the country.



3/
no wmd were ever found, the politician's propaganda swiftly changed from
"we are premtively bombarding the Iraqi" , to "we are freeing [them]"

note: the USA citizens bought the 180° turn around propaganda , and now
honestly say that they went and bombarded Iraq to free the iraqi people.










these arguments are historicals facs ; you can choose to go against them,
I won't proove history, it is not my place, you either admit it or don't.

[thccrystals]

What about the 20 or so security council resolutions that iraq did not comply to? I wonder why they wouldn't let the UN do inspections, maybe they were hiding something. I think the entire US would be totally against the war if Iraq didn't act so damn fishy back before we invaded.

No wmds found is correct, but it seems to me 10 years is enough to hide evidence of them.

Saddam is a piece of shit, and you foreigners are lucky a country like the US is around to take care of the bigger problems. The UN doesn't do shit, and maybe we don't do it exactly like you would, but don't you think horrible dictators should be forcefully removed from power? I think that deters other asswipes from getting any smart ideas.

[sidious]

maybe America should stop giving these so called "asswipes" countries.......just a thought..........Peace out..........Sid

[Gri77oN]

Originally Posted by thccrystals

Saddam is a piece of shit

The official USA politicians motto for war (bombardement) in Iraq was
WMD, and saddam = alquaida; nothing else.
The reasons why the usa citizens gave their ok for the war was fear of WMD
and saddam = alquaida

(in other words, wether saddam is or is not a tiran, was not at all an issue back when the scared citizens of USA decided to let their governement bombarde Iraq.)

Originally Posted by thccrystals

I think the entire US would be totally against the war if Iraq didn't act so damn fishy back before we invaded.

I do not think so: see it is a fact that americana ressort to violence a one of the first mean to solve a problem.

Originally Posted by thccrystals

No wmds found is correct, but it seems to me 10 years is enough to hide evidence of them.

I see, so you mean to say they exist, but were hidden during those ten years?
ok, then why:
Search for Banned Arms In Iraq Ended
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Jan11.html

why would the usa gov, if it too thinkgs the WMD were hidden stops trying to found them ?
Could it be (I mean could it be) that the usa gov knew there were none?

Originally Posted by thccrystals

foreigners are lucky a country like the US is around to take care of the bigger problems.

and what if the US gov , its goal for "national interest", and it's formidable weaponery, /is/ the bigger problem ?
(so that you know; to the rest of the world it IS)

Originally Posted by thccrystals

The UN doesn't do shit

untrue: the UN goes to war as last ressort.
That's a concept.
Doing war as last ressort is a wise way of doing that seems to completely eludes americans citizens.

Originally Posted by thccrystals

maybe we don't do it exactly like you would

no you don't: you see you use violence as first resort.
of course you do: you have the biggest army
(just like any bully in any playground - but guess what: Earth in not a playground)

so we agree you (american gov) do thing in a different way (war)

question:
in what way does that facts entitles you to go against the Security Council?
in what ever way does that fact give USA gov more authority then that of the security council ?

none


(yes we could derive from the thread subject and talk about /what authority/
has the UN security Council, as you are trying to do but i won't, not in this
thread.)

Originally Posted by thccrystals

don't you think horrible dictators should be forcefully removed from power?

i do. but see from where i stand, bush IS a dictator.

Originally Posted by thccrystals

I think that deters other asswipes from getting any smart ideas.

what does that show? that your gov uses violence; violence as a mean for freedom
Again the concept of using peace to breed peace eludes you completely.




I will fight for Peace. not Peace as my objective but Peace as a MEAN to obtain peace.

[ryanrule]

not everyone in america agrees with bush policy. in fact, about half dont.

[DaZEED&ConFuseD]

Hey Gri77on is it possible that the US had wrong intelligence on the WMD in Iraq? Even before no WMDs were found there was talk of a free and democratic Iraq. Gri77on, Bush is not a dictator!!!!! We've been through this!!! Just because www.crazyleftwingist.com gave 12 steps of becoming a dictator doesnt mean its true. Bush doesn't have complete control. This is why the Constitution was written to keep future ppl from gaining too much power.... Congress has the power to overturn a law and the Judicial branch can define a law as unconstitutional. I don't know many dictators who had to pass a bill though congress and the judicial branch.

[Gri77oN]

dazed, you say:


"bush has not all the power"


to which i answer:

not true: read the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. act .

bush since that act has any rights to do anything to a terrorist.
then in a second step
bush allowed himself to name anything he wants a terrorist.

so indded he has:
BUSH HAS ANY POWER HE WANTS.




that's why he can say to the face of the world:
"I will use my army wherever i see fit"

[Gilligan]

Originally Posted by Gri77oN

that's why he can say to the face of the world:
"I will use my army wherever i see fit"

Yea. He gave a big fuck you to the world. I persoanlly liked it.

Gri770n likes to look at the things we didnt find instead of the things we did find. Thats his whole justification for us not going: what we found in hindsight.

[mooglekexin]

woah, i just thought, "yeah, i should read that for myself"
cant believe something sooooooo massive was not read by congress or whoever passed it, let alone its content

[mooglekexin]

yea. the terrorists gave a big fuck you to the world. i personally liked it.

[Gilligan]

Originally Posted by mooglekexin

yea. the terrorists gave a big fuck you to the world. i personally liked it.

Thats why we dont care about your opinion of the war. A fair amount of your countrymen died as well.....

[mooglekexin]

lol, it was just said for shock value, i was just drawing comparrisons to GWB and terrorism

[Gri77oN]

Originally Posted by Gilligan

Y
Gri770n likes to look at the things we didnt find instead of the things we did find.

not at all: i like to see the motivations in your governement's action:

going to war for fictious WMD or lies (saddam=alquaida) is nothing to be proud of.
cause lies were what the usa gov used to fool usa citizens to give the go for the bombardement.

(in my opinion, it is not the what you do or why you do that is important, it is the why AND what)

why you went to war: fictious reasons (alqaida/wmd)
what you did: bombardement (that's war)

historical facts.

[el-producto]

Originally Posted by thccrystals

Saddam is a piece of shit, and you foreigners are lucky a country like the US is around to take care of the bigger problems. The UN doesn't do shit, and maybe we don't do it exactly like you would, but don't you think horrible dictators should be forcefully removed from power? I think that deters other asswipes from getting any smart ideas.

foreigners always gotta talk shit and never do anything

[Gilligan]

We stopped a man responsible for genocide, stopped a major humanitarian crisis (that the UN stopped wiht "sanctions" LMAO). We all know how much that way worked now dont we. He has invaded nations, he has used WMDs. And from what i remember, that fake intelligene came from several EU nations.

You are still using hindsight.

Do you think all of those things i mentioned above do not warrent the removal of the leader? Your way has been tried, and tried, and tried, and all it did was give saddam MOORE MONEY!!.

Those are the historical facts you are ignoring, the ones in mentioned in my previous post. Thanks from proving it for me.