"freedom freedom freedom freedom freddom freedom"

[Gri77oN]

let me translate to you americans the Bush's speach:


after having prounoncing something like 40 times the word "freedom" (and no iraq terrosim, or iraq)

Geroges W Bush said in escence:

-WE shall go bombard any country where there is no freedom.
-WE have our own definition of freedom.
-You shall submit.





in other words, the world's BIGGEST BULLY has yet to understand the concepts of freedom, tolerance, and humility.

this prooves only one fact:
THE USA ARE THE MILITARY DOMINANT ON EARTH.

they have the biggest violent power.

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I have a few questions that i address to american citizens:

1/ Have understood by now, that you were manipulated in order for the war in iraq to be voted, in order to agree with your gov to go to war? (note i am asking about the manipulation, not the outcome)
2/ Will you let yourself be manipulated again in such manner for any country Bush's people want to bombard?
3/ Has he said anything about americans' will to be happy ? (and dare i say it free)


actually foreget about question 2: wether you let yourself or not has no relevance: you have no free media.

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I am scared to hear the usa gov dare speak of freedom
I am scared to hear the usa menacing the rest of the world ("we will use force if necessary)

BUT

i now the whole world will not submit to this military and ideologicly supremacy.
i take as an exemple the ongoing war in iraq.

American governement has no recognised authority to speak about freedom.

the only authority I will submit to usa governement is on how to bombard a country to hashes, then sell it the means to reconstruct.

This is a sad moment:


The 4th world war has started.


but hey as long as you have your humvee, or can go to the local movie theater, what the hell hey ? ...

































WAKE UP, WORLD :


-WE shall go bombard any country where there is no freedom.
-WE have our own definition of freedom.
-You shall submit.

this is a declaration of war.

nothin else.

the best part is, the word freedom was used 40 times.



/that/ is propaganda.

[Grim Bongmaster]

I think most people would equate getting your arm chopped off for expressing your right to free speech as a lack of freedom...

what's the point in this post though...most people on this form either voted libertarian or democrat to my knowledge...

[mooglekexin]

whoevers sig said

"those you give up freedom for security deserve neither" got it right

[Grim Bongmaster]

twas my sig!

Man, I was just checking out some of the footage from the inauguration in EVERY shot you can see at least 1, sometimes 2 prostitutes. They are so easy to pick out! Being a libertarian I fully support a womans right to choose what to do with her body. Although, I don't support those hypocritical bastards who presume to outlaw things they themselves partake in. Hey, that's not a bad idea (i just had an idea), what if we wrote letters to force more laws on the bureaucrats themselves. Like mandatory drug tests twice a week. Cameras all over there property with live web feed. LIE DETECTOR TESTS 1 a week!!

[mooglekexin]

yeah, thought it mighta been you

damn good idea about the enforicng of laws, they (the burreaucrats) wouldnt last five seconds

[Gri77oN]

the quote is from Benjamin Franklin
and stated those tarata /deserve neither/.

the point of this thread is to translate the propaganda (freedom pronounced every 30 seconds!) into what really was the message to the world:

WE will help freddom prevail
WE have our own definition of freedom
WE will use force if necessary
YOU WILL SUBMIT.


this is a declaration of war to the world:

"under the apparance of "freeing" people we will do whatever the ehll we want , use force if necessary"

that besides the fact that iraq was indeed bombarded (a bombardement is AN ACT OF WAR) despite the THE WORLD POPULATION (that's the whole humanity , by the way) said "no", we (Humanity) DO NOT want usa to go to war in iraq.

so :

i GWB say we want to free xxx country (iran...?)
we will go with force if necessary
we already have shown to Humanity that we will not listen to its voice.






today, usa has the most powerfull army.

power, comes with responsability (a responsability to use it wisely)

using that power despite ALL HUMANITY saying "NO" cannot be a wise action.



usa or rather the us gov, does not have the wisdom necessary to weild such power.

war calls for war, nothing else.

eg:
a war brought "a so-called freedom" to iraq.
iraq is at war today, shattered, burned.
that's the freedom usa wants to impose everywhere?


just how FuCking DARE YOU ?

oh yeah i forgot: you have the biggest army..

[Grim Bongmaster]

Sorry to burst your bubble but that quote is from Benjamin Franklin and it reads "Anyone who will trade liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security."
this is often confused with a similar Thomas Jefferson quote "A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order, will lose both, and deserve neither."

Franklin Roosevelt was the worse president this country ever had. Economists predict that the Great depression would have been over within a year had Roosevelt just left it alone. But no, he had to make it illegal to own gold, and make it legal to steal from people using the guise of "for the better good of the country"..pff..

[Gri77oN]

i stand corrected, thank you.


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anyway


t's usa's current gov i'm concerned about (yes /I am/ concerned)
what's humanity gonna do about it.

i mean next time what's forcing bush to go to the UN and ask for support?, if he knows he won't get any (like say,.. last time..) he'll just go and bombard the country no matter what?
what will be the excuse now the wmd trick is a little outdated?
whatever
"these people are oppresed by their leader, let's go and free them"
(and then sell the country our coca cola, our thrive for money and power, etc etc)


say, americans, aren't you oppressed by your gov... ?

[Gilligan]

Originally Posted by Gri77oN

eg:
a war brought "a so-called freedom" to iraq.
iraq is at war today, shattered, burned.
that's the freedom usa wants to impose everywhere?


just how FuCking DARE YOU ?

War brought freedom to Europe in 1945.
Europe was shattered and burned, and facing nazi insurgents.
that's the freedom usa wants to impose everywhere?

Wheres the Iraqi outcry for us to leave??

"Thats a great story. Compelling and rich" - Ron Burgundy
"Bush is a nAzie" - Eric Cartman

Thanks for that analysis. Sounds like it is based on fear, loathing, and assumptions. All this negativity towards a man you have never about a war not involving your country.

14 of the 18 Iraqi territoriesare violence free. We are rebuilding schools, malls, shops, libraries. Your "unbias" media wont show them to you. Dont you think its odd that the pictures you see, all of them, all videos, are from 1 of a few areas. The violence has increased because of the election, but i know, well let the 5% who want us to leave's opinion outweigh the other 95%.

Have you ever talked to anyone who has served over there???? Honestly, have you???? Have you seen their pictures and video???? So how do you know, other than relying on media..........

Is your definition of free media is anything that agrees or can further your agenda? Seems that way.

Originally Posted by HateBreeder

When you combine an IQ of 72 and an illiterate ape for president you get Deteriorating America.

Harvard degree and attended Yale. Blind hatred makes people look past facts.

[InferiorWang]

Originally Posted by mooglekexin

whoevers sig said

"those you give up freedom for security deserve neither" got it right

Ben Franklin - "They who would give up an essential liberty for a temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security."

[Gri77oN]

Originally Posted by Gilligan

War brought freedom to Europe in 1945.

errrrr world war ii was a consequence of world war I.

bad exemple.

try again.

[Gilligan]

Why dont you remind me what happened in ww1??

I forgot.

They were not happy taking over europe once, so they decided to do it again.

Viva NO resistance.

Actually, this war was caused by past events. Does that makes your example as invalid?

[Opivy]

reps to both of you gilligan and gri77on. i like seeing you guys debate, you do it without attacking echother personally and represent good points, i'm learning something here

-edit have to spread it around more first i guess

[Gri77oN]

Originally Posted by Opivy

-edit have to spread it around more first i guess

LOL here's some for ya

[Gri77oN]

i tend to turn to the future, Gilligan, as you know.

the furtur is:

-we will help freedom spread where needed.
-we will use force if necessary


(as for the WWI WWII argumentation, google slashdot, it's all been said there, be ready for some long reading.)

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to wards the future now?

what will stop bush.

we have seen it is not the UN, we know it's not even it's citizens since they are manipulated (*), and we sure know that even if quite the whole of HUMANITY says no he will still go .

so i ask, how do we stop bush from pusshing ih religions' views on freedom to others? (that is fanatism, last time it happend it was called crusades, and was one of the bloddiest time of our history (propartionaly to the means of destruction available)


MY QUESTION:

HOW DOES ONE STOP BUSH FROM BOMBARDING A COUNTRY (is it by submitting? if so where is the difference between bush and saddam?)




*:no gilligan, i wont argue over that one again, rent the movie "independant media in a time of war", the demosntration is quite understandable, even for americans, no pund intended)
i wont argue, and if if you think i'm wrong, i have nothing agaisnt that.
i'm not scared about being wrong about the past. it's the futur that iwanna care about.