Bush is a fucking idiot

PintyHet · #1 (**permalink**) 09-12-2004, 06:30 PM

there arent words to describe the level of pure idoicy the creature known as bush and his possy have managed to accend to..i'm serious! i have a theory that somehow the god from the plane of "Fucking idiot" has found a host body and has chosen this time to manifest himself to mankind.. if that texas shit monkey wins this election i am officially leaving the country. think about what i'm saying here.. i'm going to FLEE the country just to get away from that black hole of pure fucking crap. just up and leave my apartment my family my friends and get the hell out of dodge. fuck it i'm going to smoke

...and on a further note WHO THE FUCK IS SUPPORTING BUSH?! i swear if i ever run into someone thats pro bush ima break his fucking face for possibly getting his stupid on me. i dont want that shit! think i want to end up like that pretzle choking, world leader vomoting, non english(and now spanish) speaking, world peace shattering, alaska raping(up the nose even),Goverment bankrupting, economy eating fucktard? hell no.. for that matter i hereby give the fucktard of the century award to him.. i've never even heard of someone so fucking stupid

HE CANT EVEN TALK FOR GODS SAKE!

the only thing i can say to bush supporters(gotta keep it short and simple to try and avoid the above face breaking) is "name one usefull thing he's done or shut the hell up" ..strangly every last one has shut up

*bows* end of rant

*edit* nm the face breaking.. but i would still shower afterwards to avoid infection

Turelim · #2 (**permalink**) 09-12-2004, 07:59 PM

i agree....i dont think i feel as strongly as you do, but i agree. and i know a lot of people that have the same idea as you... leaving if Bush gets elected. depending on how things go, i might be joinin you guys. i have family in a rich part of Mexico. i got someplace to go. lol.

Gilligan · #3 (**permalink**) 09-12-2004, 11:24 PM

He rebounded from a recession caused by a) clinton and b) 9/11.
We lost 3 million jobs for various reason, the big tech. bomb during the clinton years started alot of internet jobs which were never ment to become a permanent source of income. 9/11 cause alot of people to worry about investing in america. We have, however, had the largest econimic boom in 20 years since then, created over half of those jobs back. No child left behind act?

like it or not, 9/11 changed us. We took a big hit, and i think Bush has done a good job recovering from it and trying to stop terror where it exist. We liberated 50 million people who were being murdered by the 100,000s for not supporting hussain. We didnt find ne WMD yet, but like in the gulf war, hussain had plenty of time to ship them off to his allies. He has used them agiasnt iranin the IRAN-IRAQ war, he used them against his own people, he used them agaisnt the Kurds, so to say he has never or doesnt have any is stupid.

go ahead and move, tell me what country is better than the U.S. The U.S. has the highest standard of living in the world. Our poor are richer than the poor in any other country in the world.

Why dont you tell me what he has done to riun your life?

In fact, tell me what your candidate is going to do to change it.

If we pull out of the middle eat, it will go back to its old ways, and i guerentee it will hurt us later on down the line. We have lost 1,000 soliders in the war on terror, in almost 2 yrs. We lost 3,000 innocecnt in one day. Those 1,000 died liberating 50,000,000 people and overthrowing an evil regime.

BTW, i am not even a registered rebublican, i am just going to vote for bush. Come to Macon Ga and break my face, please. Your post explains the desperation and stupdiy of your party. Read the papers, try to inform yourself before posting dribble like that. I will be glad to prove every one of them wrong.

My guess u are eather not voting or for kerry. Please tell me why you are voting for kerry. Please, Please. I have been trying to get 1 reason to vote for him other than he isnt bush for months but i cant get one.

Little Wing · #4 (**permalink**) 09-12-2004, 11:42 PM

Okay Gilligan... If you are going to post on the issue don't make facts up...

For example... the poor in America are NOT richer then the rest of the worlds poor. There are many countries that have a higher standard of living then us....

Also, the population of Iraq is 22 million, NOT 50 million. You see, you made a statement that had an accuracy of 50%... Best not to make statements like that when discussing something so seriously?

What has Bush done to "ruin my life?" Well my life isn't ruined, but I have relatives and friends that are getting shot at every day because of Bush. If Bush didnt steal the election they wouldn't be in that situation. In fact, if I wasn't so impatient I could come up with about 100 other examples of how Bush has directly effected my life, but I know it wont do anything to sway your opinion. I have argued with your type enough times already to know the pointlessness of it.

However I ask you not to make facts up. What if people actually believed you? They would have been misinformed... Funny, who else has done that to people... Hmm, Oh I know, Bush!

That fucker manipulated his way into Iraq. Do you really want a president that will LIE to those that vote for him?

Leary I Love · #5 (**permalink**) 09-13-2004, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Wing

Okay Gilligan... If you are going to post on the issue don't make facts up...

For example... the poor in America are NOT richer then the rest of the worlds poor. There are many countries that have a higher standard of living then us....

Also, the population of Iraq is 22 million, NOT 50 million. You see, you made a statement that had an accuracy of 50%... Best not to make statements like that when discussing something so seriously?

What has Bush done to "ruin my life?" Well my life isn't ruined, but I have relatives and friends that are getting shot at every day because of Bush. If Bush didnt steal the election they wouldn't be in that situation. In fact, if I wasn't so impatient I could come up with about 100 other examples of how Bush has directly effected my life, but I know it wont do anything to sway your opinion. I have argued with your type enough times already to know the pointlessness of it.

However I ask you not to make facts up. What if people actually believed you? They would have been misinformed... Funny, who else has done that to people... Hmm, Oh I know, Bush!

That fucker manipulated his way into Iraq. Do you really want a president that will LIE to those that vote for him?

And the winner is... ::drumroll:: LITTLE WING!
*applause*

Fkin' pwnt.

Mustard · #6 (**permalink**) 09-13-2004, 02:17 AM

I'm really curious as to why people think being in iraq is a good thing. What ever happened to Osama Bin Laden? Seriously think about this people. The guy, who is said to have orchestrated the attack on 9/11 is still at large. And because why? Oh yeah... Iraq! I guess those people who died on 9/11 will get their justice... well, once Bush finishes Daddy's war. Those who died are the last thing on Bush's mind, but are the first to be mentioned by his lips for a political gain in the name of patriotism. Bullshit

Gilligan · #7 (**permalink**) 09-13-2004, 04:35 AM

Add that to the people that live in afg under the taliban rule.

There is no evidence bush stole the election. I have yet to see anything proving that. Sorry to burt ur conspiricy bubble. As bad as you want it to be true, it is not. The fact you honestly believe it is tru voids nething u have to say. If im giving 50% a statememt with 50% accuracy, your shooting blnaks.

Your friends and reletives signed up for the service knowing the risk, espically in the last few years when im sure many of them joined up. If clinton would have taken care of osama, we wouldnt have gotten attacked to begin with.

As for manpulating his way into iraq.
1)Hussain has toyed with the un for years.
2)Hussain has used WMD agaisnt his peep, the kurds, and Iran.
3)The intel that said he had them came from russia, went through the senate intelligence committe in which Kerry and Edwards were members of (not that kerry showed up) before the president even saw it.

Want to talf about lies?
Kerry has changed his story about being in Cambodia 5 times now
He has admited to commiting war crimes
He wont produce his war document to prove the SBVFT wrong because methinks he cant
Almost everything he says he tand for now contridct his votes he made while in the senate.

Again, Im not a die hard republican. I am voting for bush but i have looked at both sides of the issue, i vote on the issue not straight party. In times i war i think we need a war time presient who wont flip flop or waver on his goals.
Im not going to defend everything he has does.

Also, everyoneincluding clinton knew we were heading into recession before bush took office, 0/11 was planned before bush got into office, blaming any of that on him his ludacris.

Most of our "poor" have places to live, food on the table, access to education, and ways to better themselves.

IL420 · #8 (**permalink**) 09-13-2004, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilligan

tell me what country is better than the U.S. The U.S. has the highest standard of living in the world. Our poor are richer than the poor in any other country in the world.

Why dont you tell me what he has done to riun your life?

In fact, tell me what your candidate is going to do to change it.

Damn you are *No name-calling. *RMJL, if you pull your head out of your ass* < And none of this either. you will relize that most of western europe has a higher standard of living than america, and they definately have more social programs to take care of their poor, for example free medical care for everyone.

what has bush done to ruin my life? well how about the patriot act? the patriot act violates everyones rights. thanks to bush the government can watch anyone, and monitor anyones phone conversations and internet use without a warrent. also, thanks to bush the government can now arrest people for no reason and imprison them with no contact to the outside world.

what is my candidate going to do to change it?
well if the american people were smart enough to realize that nader was the best cantidate, he would end the war in iraq, end the war on drugs, and repeal the patriot act.

Grim Bongmaster · #9 (**permalink**) 09-13-2004, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by IL420

Damn you are *No name-calling. *RMJL, if you pull your head out of your ass* < And none of this either. you will relize that most of western europe has a higher standard of living than america, and they definately have more social programs to take care of their poor, for example free medical care for everyone.

That's because they are socialist, and the honest citizen works to feed the lazy..

Quote:

Originally Posted by IL420

what has bush done to ruin my life? well how about the patriot act? the patriot act violates everyones rights. thanks to bush the government can watch anyone, and monitor anyones phone conversations and internet use without a warrent. also, thanks to bush the government can now arrest people for no reason and imprison them with no contact to the outside world..

kerry voted for the patriot act as well....I have to admit though I'm really pissed about that..

Quote:

Originally Posted by IL420

what is my candidate going to do to change it?
well if the american people were smart enough to realize that nader was the best cantidate, he would end the war in iraq, end the war on drugs, and repeal the patriot act.

He's going to make this country a socialist shithole in the process as well, oh and the best canidate is Michael Badnarik of the libertarian party..wait wait..so your canidate would just pull out of iraq leaving all those people by themselves?!?!?? great plan..

Gilligan · #10 (**permalink**) 09-13-2004, 07:04 AM

UM. NO. Micheal Badnark is the best candidate. I would be voting libertarian but i know he wont win and i not want kerry to win.

Western Europe does not have a higher standard of living than the united states. I dont base the standard of living on what my govt can provide me, i base it on what i can provide for myself. I dont live in europe, but ive visited and it didnt look like an eutopia by any means. The united states has poor, middle class and rich. Europe has basicly one class of people. Capitalism provides a chance for everyone to better themselves, not this keep the poor man down mentality so many people have. It allows you to be rewarded for your hard work, not your money taken from you to support the ones not doing anything to help themselves. Socialism works when the poor vastly outnumber any other class or during a reconstruction.

How do you think all this free healthcare is paid for? Tax dollars. Where does this money comefrom? Taxing the rich, who already pay most of the taxes. Free healthcare isnt the answer. Some of the main reasons healthcare is so much is because the dr has so much insurance. One minor thing goes wrong and sue happy americans will try to get as much money as possible. Theree are other reasons but a good chunch of your medical bills are for the DR's insurance.

Um, Al Queda declared a Jihad on us in 1995. Is Nader just going to ask them to stop and they will just do so. I dont like the patriot act eather, but i dont really worry about it. I dont think the govt is worring about me. I dont agree with it, but have the feds came to your door and arrested you for tips they got spying on you? no.

Badnark would also repeal it ( very big on privacy rights), also stop the war on drugs, but would make people responsible for themselves and their actions insteading of relying on the government to support them. I understand people need assistence, but nothing in life is free. Socialism discourages people to want to better themselves thus leading to a lower standard of life. If the poor would get an education, stop relying on the govt to buy them everything, then these programs wouldnt be needed. We should reform the programs we have, not add more.

Gilligan · #11 (**permalink**) 09-13-2004, 07:05 AM

damn grim, you posted almost my exact thoughts while i was typing. Great minds think alike lol.

By the way Pinthet, i wouldnt make fun of bush's mastery of the english language after typing your second paragraph. I also think you have real anger issues that you need to get checked out. A few more posts like that and you might be the new winner of the fucktard award. Looks like i named one good thing bush has done for us and you became quiet.

IL420 · #12 (**permalink**) 09-13-2004, 07:35 AM

dude, you don't understand socialism at all, socialism encourages all of the people to work together to better the entire country. capitalism encourages all people to compete with eachother. the rich work to oppress the poor. the rich business owners exploit the blue coller workers. in socialism all people are basicaly equal. in capitilism there are always people living in poverty, and a small percentage of the population have most of the money. the rich business owners would be nothing without all of the people working under them, so why should the rich get richer and pay the workers menial wages?

Grim Bongmaster · #13 (**permalink**) 09-13-2004, 07:53 AM

Capatilism is a free economy, and to be truly free, your economy must be too. But if you insist on a discussion read this and feel free to post in this thread http://forum.grasscity.com/spirituality-philosophy/44881-mankind-goal.html

yeah..I dunno about great minds..it took me about 10 minutes to finally figure out you typed out that paragraph as I was typing out mine

hahaaha

Yeah man..whoever believes they should be able to punch somone for their political beliefs has some major issues, and would probably fit in better in sudan or iraq..

sidious · #14 (**permalink**) 09-13-2004, 09:23 AM

well i've seen America as well as lots of Europe, and i have to admit, the standard of living for the poor of Western Europe is far better than in America...........here's a scenario for you............i have a heart attack, someone calls 999..........i need a new heart, and one becomes available........they pop it in............how much does this service, and all the drugs i'll need as well.................£0.........not one dollar, not one dime...........can the same be said in the States?......as for a lot of Europe like Germany and France, maybe not as good a healthcare, but it certainly wouldn't cost the price of a house to get a new heart there either..........

and the cost of this service...........a bit more tax, in fact a lot more tax, but we don't bitch about it as it's by the people for the people.............and no the rich didn't pay any more for it, in fact if you own a mansion and thousands of acres of land, you still pay the same tax, and the same rates as everyone else..............sure we have poor, sure we're not perfect, but to state that Western Europe is worse off..........nope...........and very rarely will a Doc get sued here.........only for severe malpractice, if my mum had died getting her brain tumor removed as a last resort..........i'd still have thanked the doc for trying..........not sue him for $40,000,000...............that's what Capatalism encourages...........the ritch cannot stay rich without the poor................in fact i read a sign in NY city that said it qiute well..........."If you had all the money in the world, we'd just start using something else!"

as for Bush, i've just about gave up on him............at least Kerry was in Nam, Bush was in a unit his daddy made sure weren't gonna be going anywhere near South East Asia............how Kerry can be called out on that i don't know, as Bush isn't even his equal in that case scenario..................as for Al Queda...........like it was said above...........why Iraq for Sept 11th?

Did America attack China for the Japs hitting Pearl Harbour......?

look at the bigger picture, and add in the word..........OIL

Peace out............Sid

Grim Bongmaster · #15 (**permalink**) 09-13-2004, 09:48 AM

so...kerry was in vietnam.....that's why I should vote for him....man I hope if I ever run for president people don't bitch at me because I didn't go to iraq, or afgahnistan. Again we are looking for reasons we SHOULD vote for kerry not reasons we shouldn't vote for bush. I don't really think law suites have anything to do with capitalism. If they would simply make it illegal to sue on the basis of pain and suffering doctors malpractice insurance would go way down. Like if I got in a car wreck caused by another person, and I sued for the pain the accident caused me, not fixing it, but just the pain I was in. I have no idea how people go about puting a price on pain, but apparently it's possible. People can buy healthcare...they are going to be paying for it out of their checks anyways..it just depends on who you want to pay it to. I don't believe in any socialistic programs, I am my own responsibility

Did America attack China for the Japs hitting Pearl Harbour......?

...japan was at war with china....and kicking their ass as well.

You can't tell me there were not any al queda operatives in iraq, I mean they were in florida..why not iraq. But yeah...saddam was a great guy and all..we should have left him alone. Why don't you disassociate it with 9/11, saddam was an asshole, who activley sought WMD used chemical weapons on his own people..he may not have contributedto 9/11. But why on earth do people feel the need to defend him?

I don't know about the oil ..and i'm sure we will get much cheaper oil after this...and well we should at least enough to payback how much money we spent on the war...I don't know if that was a catalyst or the main idea behind the war...I really don't know..but if we can start a democracy or even a socialistic government in iraq I believe it will be a good thing..maybe they didn't do it for the right reasons..but it will still be a good thiing

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#1 (permalink) 09-12-2004, 06:30 PM
PintyHet LittlePetHermitCrab Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Possibly a Jungle Posts: 392	Bush is a fucking idiot there arent words to describe the level of pure idoicy the creature known as bush and his possy have managed to accend to..i'm serious! i have a theory that somehow the god from the plane of "Fucking idiot" has found a host body and has chosen this time to manifest himself to mankind.. if that texas shit monkey wins this election i am officially leaving the country. think about what i'm saying here.. i'm going to FLEE the country just to get away from that black hole of pure fucking crap. just up and leave my apartment my family my friends and get the hell out of dodge. fuck it i'm going to smoke ...and on a further note WHO THE FUCK IS SUPPORTING BUSH?! i swear if i ever run into someone thats pro bush ima break his fucking face for possibly getting his stupid on me. i dont want that shit! think i want to end up like that pretzle choking, world leader vomoting, non english(and now spanish) speaking, world peace shattering, alaska raping(up the nose even),Goverment bankrupting, economy eating fucktard? hell no.. for that matter i hereby give the fucktard of the century award to him.. i've never even heard of someone so fucking stupid HE CANT EVEN TALK FOR GODS SAKE! the only thing i can say to bush supporters(gotta keep it short and simple to try and avoid the above face breaking) is "name one usefull thing he's done or shut the hell up" ..strangly every last one has shut up bows end of rant edit nm the face breaking.. but i would still shower afterwards to avoid infection __________________ Legalize it Last edited by PintyHet; 09-12-2004 at 06:49 PM.

#2 (permalink) 09-12-2004, 07:59 PM
Turelim Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The 9th Circle Posts: 411	i agree....i dont think i feel as strongly as you do, but i agree. and i know a lot of people that have the same idea as you... leaving if Bush gets elected. depending on how things go, i might be joinin you guys. i have family in a rich part of Mexico. i got someplace to go. lol.

#3 (permalink) 09-12-2004, 11:24 PM
Gilligan Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GA Posts: 1,804	He rebounded from a recession caused by a) clinton and b) 9/11. We lost 3 million jobs for various reason, the big tech. bomb during the clinton years started alot of internet jobs which were never ment to become a permanent source of income. 9/11 cause alot of people to worry about investing in america. We have, however, had the largest econimic boom in 20 years since then, created over half of those jobs back. No child left behind act? like it or not, 9/11 changed us. We took a big hit, and i think Bush has done a good job recovering from it and trying to stop terror where it exist. We liberated 50 million people who were being murdered by the 100,000s for not supporting hussain. We didnt find ne WMD yet, but like in the gulf war, hussain had plenty of time to ship them off to his allies. He has used them agiasnt iranin the IRAN-IRAQ war, he used them against his own people, he used them agaisnt the Kurds, so to say he has never or doesnt have any is stupid. go ahead and move, tell me what country is better than the U.S. The U.S. has the highest standard of living in the world. Our poor are richer than the poor in any other country in the world. Why dont you tell me what he has done to riun your life? In fact, tell me what your candidate is going to do to change it. If we pull out of the middle eat, it will go back to its old ways, and i guerentee it will hurt us later on down the line. We have lost 1,000 soliders in the war on terror, in almost 2 yrs. We lost 3,000 innocecnt in one day. Those 1,000 died liberating 50,000,000 people and overthrowing an evil regime. BTW, i am not even a registered rebublican, i am just going to vote for bush. Come to Macon Ga and break my face, please. Your post explains the desperation and stupdiy of your party. Read the papers, try to inform yourself before posting dribble like that. I will be glad to prove every one of them wrong. My guess u are eather not voting or for kerry. Please tell me why you are voting for kerry. Please, Please. I have been trying to get 1 reason to vote for him other than he isnt bush for months but i cant get one.

#4 (permalink) 09-12-2004, 11:42 PM
Little Wing Old School Stoner Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,322	Okay Gilligan... If you are going to post on the issue don't make facts up... For example... the poor in America are NOT richer then the rest of the worlds poor. There are many countries that have a higher standard of living then us.... Also, the population of Iraq is 22 million, NOT 50 million. You see, you made a statement that had an accuracy of 50%... Best not to make statements like that when discussing something so seriously? What has Bush done to "ruin my life?" Well my life isn't ruined, but I have relatives and friends that are getting shot at every day because of Bush. If Bush didnt steal the election they wouldn't be in that situation. In fact, if I wasn't so impatient I could come up with about 100 other examples of how Bush has directly effected my life, but I know it wont do anything to sway your opinion. I have argued with your type enough times already to know the pointlessness of it. However I ask you not to make facts up. What if people actually believed you? They would have been misinformed... Funny, who else has done that to people... Hmm, Oh I know, Bush! That fucker manipulated his way into Iraq. Do you really want a president that will LIE to those that vote for him? __________________ "The years go fast, but the days go so slow"

#6 (permalink) 09-13-2004, 02:17 AM
Mustard Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,512	I'm really curious as to why people think being in iraq is a good thing. What ever happened to Osama Bin Laden? Seriously think about this people. The guy, who is said to have orchestrated the attack on 9/11 is still at large. And because why? Oh yeah... Iraq! I guess those people who died on 9/11 will get their justice... well, once Bush finishes Daddy's war. Those who died are the last thing on Bush's mind, but are the first to be mentioned by his lips for a political gain in the name of patriotism. Bullshit Last edited by Mustard; 09-13-2004 at 02:20 AM.

#7 (permalink) 09-13-2004, 04:35 AM
Gilligan Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GA Posts: 1,804	Add that to the people that live in afg under the taliban rule. There is no evidence bush stole the election. I have yet to see anything proving that. Sorry to burt ur conspiricy bubble. As bad as you want it to be true, it is not. The fact you honestly believe it is tru voids nething u have to say. If im giving 50% a statememt with 50% accuracy, your shooting blnaks. Your friends and reletives signed up for the service knowing the risk, espically in the last few years when im sure many of them joined up. If clinton would have taken care of osama, we wouldnt have gotten attacked to begin with. As for manpulating his way into iraq. 1)Hussain has toyed with the un for years. 2)Hussain has used WMD agaisnt his peep, the kurds, and Iran. 3)The intel that said he had them came from russia, went through the senate intelligence committe in which Kerry and Edwards were members of (not that kerry showed up) before the president even saw it. Want to talf about lies? Kerry has changed his story about being in Cambodia 5 times now He has admited to commiting war crimes He wont produce his war document to prove the SBVFT wrong because methinks he cant Almost everything he says he tand for now contridct his votes he made while in the senate. Again, Im not a die hard republican. I am voting for bush but i have looked at both sides of the issue, i vote on the issue not straight party. In times i war i think we need a war time presient who wont flip flop or waver on his goals. Im not going to defend everything he has does. Also, everyoneincluding clinton knew we were heading into recession before bush took office, 0/11 was planned before bush got into office, blaming any of that on him his ludacris. Most of our "poor" have places to live, food on the table, access to education, and ways to better themselves. Last edited by Gilligan; 09-13-2004 at 06:08 AM.

#10 (permalink) 09-13-2004, 07:04 AM
Gilligan Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GA Posts: 1,804	UM. NO. Micheal Badnark is the best candidate. I would be voting libertarian but i know he wont win and i not want kerry to win. Western Europe does not have a higher standard of living than the united states. I dont base the standard of living on what my govt can provide me, i base it on what i can provide for myself. I dont live in europe, but ive visited and it didnt look like an eutopia by any means. The united states has poor, middle class and rich. Europe has basicly one class of people. Capitalism provides a chance for everyone to better themselves, not this keep the poor man down mentality so many people have. It allows you to be rewarded for your hard work, not your money taken from you to support the ones not doing anything to help themselves. Socialism works when the poor vastly outnumber any other class or during a reconstruction. How do you think all this free healthcare is paid for? Tax dollars. Where does this money comefrom? Taxing the rich, who already pay most of the taxes. Free healthcare isnt the answer. Some of the main reasons healthcare is so much is because the dr has so much insurance. One minor thing goes wrong and sue happy americans will try to get as much money as possible. Theree are other reasons but a good chunch of your medical bills are for the DR's insurance. Um, Al Queda declared a Jihad on us in 1995. Is Nader just going to ask them to stop and they will just do so. I dont like the patriot act eather, but i dont really worry about it. I dont think the govt is worring about me. I dont agree with it, but have the feds came to your door and arrested you for tips they got spying on you? no. Badnark would also repeal it ( very big on privacy rights), also stop the war on drugs, but would make people responsible for themselves and their actions insteading of relying on the government to support them. I understand people need assistence, but nothing in life is free. Socialism discourages people to want to better themselves thus leading to a lower standard of life. If the poor would get an education, stop relying on the govt to buy them everything, then these programs wouldnt be needed. We should reform the programs we have, not add more.

#11 (permalink) 09-13-2004, 07:05 AM
Gilligan Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: GA Posts: 1,804	damn grim, you posted almost my exact thoughts while i was typing. Great minds think alike lol. By the way Pinthet, i wouldnt make fun of bush's mastery of the english language after typing your second paragraph. I also think you have real anger issues that you need to get checked out. A few more posts like that and you might be the new winner of the fucktard award. Looks like i named one good thing bush has done for us and you became quiet. Last edited by Gilligan; 09-13-2004 at 07:14 AM.

#12 (permalink) 09-13-2004, 07:35 AM
IL420 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 9	dude, you don't understand socialism at all, socialism encourages all of the people to work together to better the entire country. capitalism encourages all people to compete with eachother. the rich work to oppress the poor. the rich business owners exploit the blue coller workers. in socialism all people are basicaly equal. in capitilism there are always people living in poverty, and a small percentage of the population have most of the money. the rich business owners would be nothing without all of the people working under them, so why should the rich get richer and pay the workers menial wages?

#13 (permalink) 09-13-2004, 07:53 AM
Grim Bongmaster Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Aux Arcs Posts: 2,361	Capatilism is a free economy, and to be truly free, your economy must be too. But if you insist on a discussion read this and feel free to post in this thread http://forum.grasscity.com/spirituality-philosophy/44881-mankind-goal.html yeah..I dunno about great minds..it took me about 10 minutes to finally figure out you typed out that paragraph as I was typing out mine hahaaha Yeah man..whoever believes they should be able to punch somone for their political beliefs has some major issues, and would probably fit in better in sudan or iraq.. Last edited by Grim Bongmaster; 09-13-2004 at 08:05 AM.

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#14 (permalink) 09-13-2004, 09:23 AM
sidious Old School Stoner Join Date: May 2002 Location: 1060 West Addison, Chicago IL Posts: 7,338	well i've seen America as well as lots of Europe, and i have to admit, the standard of living for the poor of Western Europe is far better than in America...........here's a scenario for you............i have a heart attack, someone calls 999..........i need a new heart, and one becomes available........they pop it in............how much does this service, and all the drugs i'll need as well.................£0.........not one dollar, not one dime...........can the same be said in the States?......as for a lot of Europe like Germany and France, maybe not as good a healthcare, but it certainly wouldn't cost the price of a house to get a new heart there either.......... and the cost of this service...........a bit more tax, in fact a lot more tax, but we don't bitch about it as it's by the people for the people.............and no the rich didn't pay any more for it, in fact if you own a mansion and thousands of acres of land, you still pay the same tax, and the same rates as everyone else..............sure we have poor, sure we're not perfect, but to state that Western Europe is worse off..........nope...........and very rarely will a Doc get sued here.........only for severe malpractice, if my mum had died getting her brain tumor removed as a last resort..........i'd still have thanked the doc for trying..........not sue him for $40,000,000...............that's what Capatalism encourages...........the ritch cannot stay rich without the poor................in fact i read a sign in NY city that said it qiute well..........."If you had all the money in the world, we'd just start using something else!" as for Bush, i've just about gave up on him............at least Kerry was in Nam, Bush was in a unit his daddy made sure weren't gonna be going anywhere near South East Asia............how Kerry can be called out on that i don't know, as Bush isn't even his equal in that case scenario..................as for Al Queda...........like it was said above...........why Iraq for Sept 11th? Did America attack China for the Japs hitting Pearl Harbour......? look at the bigger picture, and add in the word..........OIL Peace out............Sid __________________ www.geocities.com/quickgrowguide/ "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'." Last edited by sidious; 09-13-2004 at 09:26 AM.

#15 (permalink) 09-13-2004, 09:48 AM
Grim Bongmaster Banned Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Aux Arcs Posts: 2,361	so...kerry was in vietnam.....that's why I should vote for him....man I hope if I ever run for president people don't bitch at me because I didn't go to iraq, or afgahnistan. Again we are looking for reasons we SHOULD vote for kerry not reasons we shouldn't vote for bush. I don't really think law suites have anything to do with capitalism. If they would simply make it illegal to sue on the basis of pain and suffering doctors malpractice insurance would go way down. Like if I got in a car wreck caused by another person, and I sued for the pain the accident caused me, not fixing it, but just the pain I was in. I have no idea how people go about puting a price on pain, but apparently it's possible. People can buy healthcare...they are going to be paying for it out of their checks anyways..it just depends on who you want to pay it to. I don't believe in any socialistic programs, I am my own responsibility Did America attack China for the Japs hitting Pearl Harbour......? ...japan was at war with china....and kicking their ass as well. You can't tell me there were not any al queda operatives in iraq, I mean they were in florida..why not iraq. But yeah...saddam was a great guy and all..we should have left him alone. Why don't you disassociate it with 9/11, saddam was an asshole, who activley sought WMD used chemical weapons on his own people..he may not have contributedto 9/11. But why on earth do people feel the need to defend him? I don't know about the oil ..and i'm sure we will get much cheaper oil after this...and well we should at least enough to payback how much money we spent on the war...I don't know if that was a catalyst or the main idea behind the war...I really don't know..but if we can start a democracy or even a socialistic government in iraq I believe it will be a good thing..maybe they didn't do it for the right reasons..but it will still be a good thiing