"God Bless America"??

Digit · #1 (**permalink**) 07-07-2003, 01:19 AM

ok, just for those who dont know, i dont believe in god, so this doesnt really bother me.

secondly, this goes for anywhere or anything that people say this about near exclusively. and before someone goes and accuses me of such (as they so often do), i am not anti american. I'm not anti any nation or the peoples of any nation.

"God Bless America"??

the point is....
why do some people say this?
isnt it a little short sighted in these highly globalised times?
isnt it even a little arrogant?
why say "god bless america" and not "god bless" or "god bless everything"?
Do the people who say that wish to achieve some form of superiority over others who do not have such a blessing?

and finally.

isnt it a bit more respectful to that which you worship to give thanks or praise to such rather than always asking more of them?
example.. "praise allah" seems alot more respectful and even less needy than "god bless *my place*".

adamBC · #2 (**permalink**) 07-07-2003, 01:47 AM

dog bless amerika for sure

im not really sure where I stand on this. obviously my first opinion is that the idea is bad (im unreligous) and closeminded, but then again, it may not be so cut and dry. it could be merely asking for love. "god bless america" is just wishful thinking.

but if there is a god, then damn rights he'd bless all us motherfuckers, from the bums and crackheads to the rich and famous, and not just "america."

sensimil · #3 (**permalink**) 07-07-2003, 02:30 AM

my question is, why is saying "under god" in the pledge of allegiance questioned, but singing god bless america before ballgames not? or is it? I hear more about people getting their panties in a bunch about god in schools..god bless america? it does sound somewhat silly now that I think about it. note, Im not religious, I dont beleive in god, although I am open to the idea of it..I just dont believe in god myself

gravy · #4 (**permalink**) 07-07-2003, 03:59 AM

why are you so fascinated with america..... do you secretly want to be come a citizen digit...lol...

Digit · #5 (**permalink**) 07-07-2003, 03:14 PM

nope.
i'm so fascinated with america because the influence of america streatches out and affects all our lives.

i take an interest in anything that can cause change, prevent change or somehow else have influence over any aspect of my life, the lives of others ro the situation of the world. is that unreasonable? i would have thought the world would be a better place if everyone had such concerns.

:P
hehe, sorry, i know you werent really looking for an answer to that.. but u got one anyway.

D9_THC · #6 (**permalink**) 07-13-2003, 05:04 PM

"If God was alive he would hate you anyway."

Yeah...

In my own words (rather than those of Mr M. Manson), if God was around to see what a state this world is in, he wouldn't be pleased let me tell you that.

He's probably do something a little like this.

*grumble*
"Hmph! Nay a single blessing shall I rain upon thee!"

*casually walks off into the cosmos to check on one of his other creations*

ReformMaryJaneLaws · #7 (**permalink**) 07-13-2003, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Digit
nope.
i'm so fascinated with america because the influence of america streatches out and affects all our lives.

i take an interest in anything that can cause change, prevent change or somehow else have influence over any aspect of my life, the lives of others ro the situation of the world. is that unreasonable? i would have thought the world would be a better place if everyone had such concerns.

:P
hehe, sorry, i know you werent really looking for an answer to that.. but u got one anyway.

Something will have an influence over your life only if you let it. The cop living across the street could easily influence how I live my life but I don't let him. If you feel that your life has been adversely affected by America then you let that happen. You choose to not be aloof and you choose to let it consume your thoughts.

As far as "God Bless America"...it's one of our countries songs....composed by an immigrant. Here's a link...

http://www.geocities.com/god_bless_america_lyrics/

As far as saying it...in the south, where I live, people say "God Bless..." pretty much everything. They use it with the world, America, Bobby Jo, the President, "that poor little man down the street", "her foul mouth", "this meal we are about to eat, " that idiot"...we don't just use it for ourselves as a country and one doesn't have to be religious to say it since it is mostly just a saying.

Bud Head · #8 (**permalink**) 07-13-2003, 07:36 PM

God Bless you RMJL!!!!!!!!

TooSicKs · #9 (**permalink**) 07-14-2003, 08:26 AM

Politicians say it because most people who believe in god vote. Damn Digit, you just wanted to make my fingers all sore from typing, din't ya?

God bless America. What is America? Capitalism. God bless capitalism? Hmm, if there was a god he'd most likely bless some undiscovered tribe living somewhere on a little island in a remote corner of the world, untouched by the modern world. People living in harmony with nature? If god blesses America, that means that capitalism, greed, decadance, sloth, indulgence, and the whole list of sintacular shizzle has the blessing of god. This would mean god is a hypocrite. Hypocrite i someone dishonest in principle, like someone who is lying. Is god lying? If so, is anything god says true? How can you ever know? By this reasoning god is evil, not good. This means that god bless america, in god we trust, one nation under god, etc, really says "america is the evil empire". Could this be?

let's examine. God makes guest appearnces, a cameo role of sorts, on all those little green pieces of paper that the capitalist society throws us into the melee to compete for, which are in limited supply. Under the capitlaist system, it's good to have a lot of these lil green things. These little green things perhaps by chance, perhaps not, become soemthing that causes death and destruction, crime, murders, dishonesty, and a whole host of unethical behaviour, including international war crimes and global terrorism and and assimilation of all whom we "liberate".

The fact that america has not been smitten (no, 9/11 was not smite, it was just "business as usual" for the capitalists) either proves that god does not exist, or that god is evil. If god is evil, then what is the yang to that ying? Satan? Not really, because although satan is god's antithesis, they are still one in the same. evil begets evil.

If god=evil and satan=evil, then what about allah? allah is how people from over there pronounce the word god, just like mexicans say queso but we say cheese, different, but the same. What about hinduism? I suppose that it's possible that when recording of history beagn a spiritual leader could found a purty lookin mushroom or whatever, and saw an elephant that is appeased by milk, and a 9 armed crazy lookin chick who will rip your head off in an act of divinity, or however it's looked at (i admit i am fairly uneducated in hinduism), maybe this guy had a long talk with a cow and that cow screamed "don't eat me maaaaan!" Budah was a stoner, you can tell, although mellow, happy and obviously afflicted with a mad case of the munchies, still would not be the antitthesis of god, because buddah is a perpetual question, one which cannot be answered but must be asked. Buddah is stoned.

So where is this "goodness" that all these people who believe seek?

It's within you, it's chained by precocieved thought and the key is held by your "invisible man in the sky". When you realize the invisible man in the sky holds a ket to a very strong shiny rustproof lock, you despair, and believe not much out of choice. But wait, there's more! If you look really closely you see the lock is connected to a chain. The links closest to the lock are a slight bit oxidized, tarnished, and weathered. As you look further along the chain, it gets progrssively weaker. If you look far enough you realize that the chain is completely corroded through somewhere about halfway between either end, and that it's not actually connected where you think it is.

Wait a minute, I've been trying to figure out how to pick locks when i should have just loked the other way and realized what direction freedom was in! Yes, freedom of the caged mind!

Oh yeah, and,,,,,

BONER!!!

Peace

Ens-Entium · #10 (**permalink**) 07-16-2003, 11:04 AM

The saying "God Bless America" is the equivalent of telling a person with a fatal gun shot wound to the head "You're going to be okay..."

The saying sticks around to console those who haven't yet realized, that if there really is a Hell, we are all royally fucked...

I do believe this is arrogant...
Conceit plagues America's history and threatens its future...
To think that if any God truely existed that he would be obligated to bless such a place is pure arrogance...

Blasphemous...

Ens-Entium · #11 (**permalink**) 07-16-2003, 11:05 AM

No...
I am not Anti-American or Anti-God...
I'm just pissed off about alot of things...

Hehehe...

weedboss · #12 (**permalink**) 07-17-2003, 01:53 AM

i believe in the oneness the main source of all our nrg, the thing that has put us here in the first place.

KraziHare · #13 (**permalink**) 07-17-2003, 05:10 AM

America can do just fine without the constant blessiings of Mr. Omnipotence.

so can the rest of the world

Nice avatar Ens-Entium

Little Wing · #14 (**permalink**) 07-17-2003, 07:09 AM

Nice avatar indeed! I almost thought you were KraziHare for some drunk/stoned reason.

Zylark · #15 (**permalink**) 07-22-2003, 03:59 AM

"Gott Bei Uns"

(God is with us-German)

On every beltbuckle of every Wehrmacht soldier (Except the SS of course, who did not believe in god, pagans y/k...) during WW2

taking god on your side is just as good as proclaiming that you really don't have any real justification.

it's god you know...

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#1 (permalink) 07-07-2003, 01:19 AM
Digit Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,829	"God Bless America"?? ok, just for those who dont know, i dont believe in god, so this doesnt really bother me. secondly, this goes for anywhere or anything that people say this about near exclusively. and before someone goes and accuses me of such (as they so often do), i am not anti american. I'm not anti any nation or the peoples of any nation. "God Bless America"?? the point is.... why do some people say this? isnt it a little short sighted in these highly globalised times? isnt it even a little arrogant? why say "god bless america" and not "god bless" or "god bless everything"? Do the people who say that wish to achieve some form of superiority over others who do not have such a blessing? and finally. isnt it a bit more respectful to that which you worship to give thanks or praise to such rather than always asking more of them? example.. "praise allah" seems alot more respectful and even less needy than "god bless my place".

#2 (permalink) 07-07-2003, 01:47 AM
adamBC Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: BC (bud country) Posts: 3,981	dog bless amerika for sure im not really sure where I stand on this. obviously my first opinion is that the idea is bad (im unreligous) and closeminded, but then again, it may not be so cut and dry. it could be merely asking for love. "god bless america" is just wishful thinking. but if there is a god, then damn rights he'd bless all us motherfuckers, from the bums and crackheads to the rich and famous, and not just "america." __________________ i've never had a dream in my life, because a dreams something you wanted, but still haven't pursued. i knew what i wanted, and did it till it was done, so i've been living the dream i wanted to be since day ONE.

#3 (permalink) 07-07-2003, 02:30 AM
sensimil Visit the World! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: 2,941 miles from the Jersey Shore Posts: 7,521	my question is, why is saying "under god" in the pledge of allegiance questioned, but singing god bless america before ballgames not? or is it? I hear more about people getting their panties in a bunch about god in schools..god bless america? it does sound somewhat silly now that I think about it. note, Im not religious, I dont beleive in god, although I am open to the idea of it..I just dont believe in god myself __________________ Last edited by sensimil; 07-07-2003 at 02:36 AM.

#4 (permalink) 07-07-2003, 03:59 AM
gravy Life's a beach Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ny Posts: 3,778	why are you so fascinated with america..... do you secretly want to be come a citizen digit...lol... __________________ The world keeps a balance, through mathematics Defined by whatever you've added and subtracted I'm pushin on the hammer to trigger the brain Embrace how I live, cause God loves ugly...

#5 (permalink) 07-07-2003, 03:14 PM
Digit Banned Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,829	nope. i'm so fascinated with america because the influence of america streatches out and affects all our lives. i take an interest in anything that can cause change, prevent change or somehow else have influence over any aspect of my life, the lives of others ro the situation of the world. is that unreasonable? i would have thought the world would be a better place if everyone had such concerns. :P hehe, sorry, i know you werent really looking for an answer to that.. but u got one anyway.

#6 (permalink) 07-13-2003, 05:04 PM
D9_THC Old School Stoner Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Aldershot, Hampshire, UK Posts: 2,010	"If God was alive he would hate you anyway." Yeah... In my own words (rather than those of Mr M. Manson), if God was around to see what a state this world is in, he wouldn't be pleased let me tell you that. He's probably do something a little like this. grumble "Hmph! Nay a single blessing shall I rain upon thee!" casually walks off into the cosmos to check on one of his other creations __________________ The anti-marijuana campaign is a cancerous tissue of lies, undermining law enforcement, aggravating the drug problem, depriving the sick of needed help, and suckering well-intentioned conservatives and countless fightened parents. -William F Buckley

#8 (permalink) 07-13-2003, 07:36 PM
Bud Head Old School Stoner Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 10,792	God Bless you RMJL!!!!!!!! __________________ If you can't own a John Deere, just get out of farming..

#9 (permalink) 07-14-2003, 08:26 AM
TooSicKs Old School Stoner Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,092	Politicians say it because most people who believe in god vote. Damn Digit, you just wanted to make my fingers all sore from typing, din't ya? God bless America. What is America? Capitalism. God bless capitalism? Hmm, if there was a god he'd most likely bless some undiscovered tribe living somewhere on a little island in a remote corner of the world, untouched by the modern world. People living in harmony with nature? If god blesses America, that means that capitalism, greed, decadance, sloth, indulgence, and the whole list of sintacular shizzle has the blessing of god. This would mean god is a hypocrite. Hypocrite i someone dishonest in principle, like someone who is lying. Is god lying? If so, is anything god says true? How can you ever know? By this reasoning god is evil, not good. This means that god bless america, in god we trust, one nation under god, etc, really says "america is the evil empire". Could this be? let's examine. God makes guest appearnces, a cameo role of sorts, on all those little green pieces of paper that the capitalist society throws us into the melee to compete for, which are in limited supply. Under the capitlaist system, it's good to have a lot of these lil green things. These little green things perhaps by chance, perhaps not, become soemthing that causes death and destruction, crime, murders, dishonesty, and a whole host of unethical behaviour, including international war crimes and global terrorism and and assimilation of all whom we "liberate". The fact that america has not been smitten (no, 9/11 was not smite, it was just "business as usual" for the capitalists) either proves that god does not exist, or that god is evil. If god is evil, then what is the yang to that ying? Satan? Not really, because although satan is god's antithesis, they are still one in the same. evil begets evil. If god=evil and satan=evil, then what about allah? allah is how people from over there pronounce the word god, just like mexicans say queso but we say cheese, different, but the same. What about hinduism? I suppose that it's possible that when recording of history beagn a spiritual leader could found a purty lookin mushroom or whatever, and saw an elephant that is appeased by milk, and a 9 armed crazy lookin chick who will rip your head off in an act of divinity, or however it's looked at (i admit i am fairly uneducated in hinduism), maybe this guy had a long talk with a cow and that cow screamed "don't eat me maaaaan!" Budah was a stoner, you can tell, although mellow, happy and obviously afflicted with a mad case of the munchies, still would not be the antitthesis of god, because buddah is a perpetual question, one which cannot be answered but must be asked. Buddah is stoned. So where is this "goodness" that all these people who believe seek? It's within you, it's chained by precocieved thought and the key is held by your "invisible man in the sky". When you realize the invisible man in the sky holds a ket to a very strong shiny rustproof lock, you despair, and believe not much out of choice. But wait, there's more! If you look really closely you see the lock is connected to a chain. The links closest to the lock are a slight bit oxidized, tarnished, and weathered. As you look further along the chain, it gets progrssively weaker. If you look far enough you realize that the chain is completely corroded through somewhere about halfway between either end, and that it's not actually connected where you think it is. Wait a minute, I've been trying to figure out how to pick locks when i should have just loked the other way and realized what direction freedom was in! Yes, freedom of the caged mind! Oh yeah, and,,,,, BONER!!! Peace __________________ "They taste like crap! What are these mints called?" "Excre-Mints" "I Think I Thought Therefore I Thought I Was" "Is it stoned in here or is it just me?" "One out of every four people is suffering from some form of mental illness. Check three friends. If they're OK, then it's you." "Cuz' tha weedflo don't stop an they ain' no cops, bustin people tokin in they own box, ya wanna know was up ya wanna know where I'll be, I be chillin up in Ol'skool-B" Last edited by TooSicKs; 07-14-2003 at 08:30 AM.

#10 (permalink) 07-16-2003, 11:04 AM
Ens-Entium Grooh!!! Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 533	The saying "God Bless America" is the equivalent of telling a person with a fatal gun shot wound to the head "You're going to be okay..." The saying sticks around to console those who haven't yet realized, that if there really is a Hell, we are all royally fucked... I do believe this is arrogant... Conceit plagues America's history and threatens its future... To think that if any God truely existed that he would be obligated to bless such a place is pure arrogance... Blasphemous...

#11 (permalink) 07-16-2003, 11:05 AM
Ens-Entium Grooh!!! Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 533	No... I am not Anti-American or Anti-God... I'm just pissed off about alot of things... Hehehe...

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#12 (permalink) 07-17-2003, 01:53 AM
weedboss Old School Stoner Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: here---> Posts: 1,907	i believe in the oneness the main source of all our nrg, the thing that has put us here in the first place. __________________ This is paradise, I'm tellin' ya. This town like a great big pussy jus' waitin' to get fucked®

#13 (permalink) 07-17-2003, 05:10 AM
KraziHare Likes Carrots Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Somewhere... probably Posts: 2,448	America can do just fine without the constant blessiings of Mr. Omnipotence. so can the rest of the world Nice avatar Ens-Entium __________________ Nonfamiliarity makes you scared to see the beauty in front of your eyes, you're thinking narrowly. Everything is an unpredictable occurrence if you've experienced everything except the purpose.

#14 (permalink) 07-17-2003, 07:09 AM
Little Wing Old School Stoner Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,322	Nice avatar indeed! I almost thought you were KraziHare for some drunk/stoned reason. __________________ "The years go fast, but the days go so slow"

#15 (permalink) 07-22-2003, 03:59 AM
Zylark Old School Stoner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Norway, on the Westside where it rains perpetually. Posts: 4,199	"Gott Bei Uns" (God is with us-German) On every beltbuckle of every Wehrmacht soldier (Except the SS of course, who did not believe in god, pagans y/k...) during WW2 taking god on your side is just as good as proclaiming that you really don't have any real justification. it's god you know... __________________