DPH(Dipenhydramine) Tripping Thread

[Advil]

I just made this thread to show what I think about DPH now and for all of you to share whatever you want about it.

I decided to go ahead and trip on different amounts of DPH (I'm using benadryl 25mgs). Yes I am bored.

My thoughts on DPH tripping : Personally I think it's well worth it to try and trip on it, the first time kind of sucks especially if you read the erowid trip reports beforehand. As a warning, if you read them before you trip, you will have a bad trip most likely, especially if you read them right before or during a trip. They describe way too many terrifying things such as spiders and scorpions that almost everyone is either scared of or just plain hate them. You get a head full of imagination + a couple pages filled with bad trips + a hallucination inducing drug and you have a bad trip on your hands. Even if you have it out of your thoughts it will still come back and get you, something will spark a thought about bugs or insects or something of the sort and then you'll think of the erowid reports and start actually seeing scorpions and such, hence why you see almost every trip on erowid for DPH similar. Almost all of them contain seeing a shitload of spiders and/or scorpions which leads me to believe one person had a random bad trip on DPH, then another one read about it then had the same bad trip, then more people read it and etc. Just a theory though of course.

So in preparation for a trip, I suggest you go without horror movies or reading about scary things for about a day or two in advance. Watch really cool trippy movies and such to sort of help shape your trip, I haven't had a bunch of experience on this firsthand but from my own experiences this is what I'm suggesting. Also, drink plain water during the trip and beforehand, soda makes you dehydrated and things such as milk or OJ can make your stomach hurt when you drink it.. I'm not sure about caffeine and how it affects DPH because I have yet to try this together but I might try it tonight. I do know that sugar brings your trip down faster (though I took a fairly large dose of sugar during my trip so maybe small amounts are ok) because I ate some cheerios with a bit too much sugar in them and about 10-15 minutes later I noticed I wasn't tired at all and that my amount of visuals went down very slowly.
Music during a trip is very important. If you sit in a room with no music, it could make you have a bad trip. So music is a MUST with DPH, personally I liked listening to ludacris and that gang as well as infected mushroom on my 2nd trip. If you start to have a bad trip or you just get plain bored during the trip, go walk outside or masturbate/have sex/lookup porn(VERY trippy, trust me)
Calling a friend, for some people, can help or hurt your trip. Make sure it is a friend who has tripped before (other friends might act stupid and not realize your in a critical position at the moment, or might just call you stupid and make you have a bad trip). I have found that when something bad happens during your trip it hits you a lot harder than it would in real life, even if the person was joking, so don't call people who might call you a name as a joke because you might not be able to handle it. Just call someone who is calm, open-minded, and who won't joke around too much. This doesn't mean the same thing for people you are tripping with because usually they'll be in the same spot as you (unless it didn't work or something) so they'll be a lot more mellow.

Most important : DON'T plan on doing anything, even something as little as taking out the trash or doing laundry, while your tripping. You will not be able to do it right, your motor skills ARE affected.

So far heres how my trips have gone :
First trip (150mg DPH, 3.9 grams of acetaminophen) : This first trip was kind of...well...crappy (first trips usually are). I took 12 sudafed PE, bad idea, as a warning never ever take acetaminophen with DPH. It makes your stomach hurt and usually leads to a bad trip (at least for me) so avoid doing it. All that really happened was I got tired, twitchy when I laid down, and there was no hallucinations except for a scorpian or spider here and there (I couldn't get those stupid bad trips from erowid out of my head so I kept seeing them) I finally just passed out because the trip sucked.

Second trip (200mg DPH, 50mg more DPH 2-3 hours in) : This is when I decided to start trying DPH out a bit more, I did this trip with one of my friends who took 150mg (+50mg 2-3 hours in) and it was his first time. He had never tripped on anything before other than weed and some various muscle relaxants. He saw the ceiling move and that was it (small dose so that was expected) and I saw all of the walls and ceiling covered in foggy-ness that looked like actual fog that was moving around and such which was giving the wall a small psychadelic effect. My friend and I both loved the sedative effects as well but we ended up passing out about 4-5 hours into the trip. Overall a really fun trip though

Third trip (300mg DPH) : This was a really cool trip too, I took this by myself and I had eaten a TON about 3-4 hours before (my friend and I got the munchies bad lol) so it might have been reduced a bit, which I think it was reduced but only a little bit. It was a lot like my 2nd trip except I kept tripping out a bunch like I would be typing on my computer and the wall behind it would move back about 10 feet or so then it would come right back and my cell phone would get really really small then really big (this happened on LSD as well) and I would turn around and think I saw my friend in place of my computer or TV (which obviously wasn't the case) but right when I looked directly at him/it then it/he would disappear and turn back to whatever it was. Overall it was very entertaining to me.

Go ahead and post whatever advice you have on DPH or any trips you'd like to share.

[Visine!]

I see that you have had a good time with it, but i really hope this doesnt convince anyone to do this. Threads about his stuff are posted all the time and I always say DONT DO IT. Not even worth trying.

[RavenousDank]

welp by itself its pretty crappy IMHO
use a little with DXM, sayy bout 5 pills...roughly 125mg-150mgs with a good dose of dxm...your good to go, the chemical actually makes the dxm more potent somehow. careful tho, can't take too much of diph with dxm cuz it'll kill ya....lose dosage of diph is just enough

but other than that its great to help fall asleep
mmm some tylenol pms sound good right now...mmm sleep

[Advil]

Thanks for the reply guys..

I took 350mgs about an hour ago and I'm feeling a tad spaced out (feels like I split one of the pills in half and took it) and my walls are starting to breathe with fuzzys all over...I'm not sure why it won't work...

Btw anyone know how long it takes for DPH tolerance to go down? I looked everywhere (google) and didn't find it..I think its 24-48 hours (thats how long it takes for the drug to exit your body)

edit : I found it, it's about 8 hours judging from the halflife. Also started feeling the DPH and hallucinating tell about it later.

[ziggyshugenadz]

i took maybe 12 of those 25 mg benadryls and didnt do much but make me feel kinda slow and dumbed down. now if you want to trip out get some acid. holy shit i got 2 strong ass hits and felt like i was losing my mind it was so incredibly out of this world intense. it makes bad mushrooms feel really weak and pussylike. but ya the visuals alone with dph are nothing compared to the things i saw on acid.

[Advil]

Originally Posted by ziggyshugenadz

i took maybe 12 of those 25 mg benadryls and didnt do much but make me feel kinda slow and dumbed down. now if you want to trip out get some acid. holy shit i got 2 strong ass hits and felt like i was losing my mind it was so incredibly out of this world intense. it makes bad mushrooms feel really weak and pussylike. but ya the visuals alone with dph are nothing compared to the things i saw on acid.

Well first...dph works on a different part of the brain so you can't really compare those two though I would agree that acid is better.

Some people have an inbuilt tolerance or something because I have another friend who took 15 and didn't feel anything.

[thedon420]

I tripped off 300 mg's of DPH about 3 weeks ago, it wasn't a bad expirence for me, but I think I developed a minor case of HPPD from it, and I really wanted to try acid too

[KushFarmer]

i took two advil pms a few weeks ago 200mg each... so a total of 400 mgs and there was no visuals at all. from what ive read people have been triping on low amounts so i dont get it. on the bottle tho it says for 12 years and up take 1 to 2 before bed. so im thinkign u need like 800 mg. i dunno.

[Advil]

Originally Posted by KushFarmer

i took two advil pms a few weeks ago 200mg each... so a total of 400 mgs and there was no visuals at all. from what ive read people have been triping on low amounts so i dont get it. on the bottle tho it says for 12 years and up take 1 to 2 before bed. so im thinkign u need like 800 mg. i dunno.

Advil PM doesn't have 200mg of DPH in it, infact it doesn't even have the right kind of DPH in the first place.

http://www.advil.com/products/AdvilPM/pm_label.asp

You need DPH HCI not Citrate and the ibuprofen is whats 200mg.

[ziggyshugenadz]

Originally Posted by Advil

Well first...dph works on a different part of the brain so you can't really compare those two though I would agree that acid is better.

Some people have an inbuilt tolerance or something because I have another friend who took 15 and didn't feel anything.

im just saying that the trip i experienced from dph was absolutely nothing compared to this recent acid trip. i think the guy dropped to much onto the candy cuz i ate 2 and the experience got to almost to the intensity of salvia but much longer.

what a crazy night

[KushFarmer]

i read the label wrong no wonder.
thats fairly dumb on my part.

still on the big bottle says one thing and the small one says another...

[beamish]

isn't that stuff like.. extremely harmful?
yeah, stick to the safer (lol!) hallucinogens.

Let me explain. I'm a user @ another forum where mainly very intelligent [not that WTM users aren't intelligent, but basically @ this forum, if you don't know what your'e talking about, your'e gonna be confused] users and drug abusers. Well, I mentioned mine and WTM's experimentation into DPH use recently, and I learned a very ugly truth:
Diphenhydramine Is VERY Dangerous.

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All H1 histamine antagonists are reversible competitive inhibitors of histamine receptors. First-generation H1-receptor blockers also are potent competitive inhibitors of muscarinic receptors and may cause anticholinergic syndrome (eg, sinus tachycardia, dry skin, dry mucous membranes, dilated pupils, ileus, urinary retention, agitated delirium). In addition, antihistamines disrupt cortical neurotransmission and block fast sodium channels. These effects exacerbate sedation and seizure activity and may cause cardiac conduction delays manifested by widening of the QRS interval. The phenothiazine class of antihistamines (eg, promethazine) has alpha-adrenergic blocking activity and may cause hypotension.


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n the US: The American Association of Poison Control Centers Toxic Exposure Surveillance System (AAPCC-TESS) annual report for 2004 ascribes 72,762 exposures to either H1 or H2 blockers. H2 blockers were associated with 8,659 exposures, while H1 blockers were associated with 64,103. A total of 24,498 patients exposed to either H1 or H2 blockers were treated in a healthcare facility. Diphenhydramine was the most common antihistamine exposure, with 29,501 reports being made to poison centers.


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Of all antihistamine exposures reported to US poison control centers in 2004 (AAPCC-TESS data), 7049 (7.4%) resulted in moderate-to-major toxicity and 55 (0.076%) resulted in fatality. The vast majority of fatalities (54%) were associated with diphenhydramine.


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First-generation H1-receptor antagonists, such as diphenhydramine, may be particularly dangerous because they may cause pronounced agitation leading to rhabdomyolysis and acidosis. Also, a quinidinelike sodium channel blocking effect, and at high doses a potassium channel blocking effect, may cause delayed conduction and repolarization and contribute to ventricular dysrhythmias.


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In a review of 136 patients with diphenhydramine overdose, somnolence, lethargy, and coma were the most common findings, occurring in approximately 55% of reported overdoses.


^^^Keep in mind anything above a manufacterer recomended dose is a "overdose."

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Acute extrapyramidal movement disorders, severe anxiety reactions, and toxic psychosis also have been reported.


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In a report of chronic abuse, diphenhydramine resulted in withdrawal symptoms. A 34-year-old patient with schizophrenia had been ingesting approximately 800 mg of diphenhydramine twice daily for one month to achieve sedation and euphoria. Diphenhydramine was tapered to 600 mg daily in divided doses over the first 3 days of hospitalization and then was reduced more slowly with the last dose being administered on the ninth day of hospitalization. The patient developed recurrence of insomnia during the withdrawal period and increased daytime restlessness, irritability, and excessive blinking; extrapyramidal symptoms and psychosis were absent.


^^^It's even addicting.

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Sinus tachycardia, ventricular tachycardia, torsades de points, cardiogenic shock, and hypertension have all been reported following overdose with antihistamines. Sinus tachycardia is the most common toxic cardiovascular effect from antihistamines with prominent anticholinergic properties. Antihistamines with anticholinergic effects and the potential to cause quinidinelike conduction abnormalities include diphenhydramine, chlorpheniramine, pyrilamine, and certain phenothiazines.


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These drugs slow sodium conduction through cardiac sodium channels and result in decreased conduction and myocardial contractility. Rarely, myocardial pump failure occurs with large overdoses.


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Pulmonary findings: Pulmonary congestion was the most common finding on autopsy in a review of 76 reported deaths from diphenhydramine between 1946 and 2003. This is presumably of a cardiogenic origin due to cardiovascular collapse and ventricular failure, although the coincidence of myocardial toxicity is not reported.


Source

When I was first shown this [and trust me there are hundreds more articles like this] I denied it. I used everything I knew about the way the body worked to "disprove" what the users over there claimed. But it's when I heard their stories, first hand stories [many of them are doctors or specialists in one form or another] of themselves or anothers seizuring, going into comas, hearts stopping, ETC ETC, was when I was convinced.

It's your body guys, I'm trying not to make your own decisions for you, but for your own sake, discontinue all large doses of Diphenhydramine. [Ironically, there are no problems when the medicine is used as it's supposed to be used.]

Let me recap before someone goes "BUT EROWID SAID THE LD50 WAS 500MG/KG." Yes, that's how much it's going to take to actually die from the DPH. But what the DPH does to your body has a very very strong chance of killing you.

QFT

[LiquidBlue22]

i wouldnt try it

[Openfly90]

First time I took 20 25mg benadryl knockoff tablets/pills: I was around the campfire with one of my friends, the dry-mouth and short term memory loss is very severe when compared to pot. Everything that I looked at had a fuzzy outline to it, pretty trippy, and I saw a lot of hallucinations of people throughout the experience, saw my dad appearing out of the shadows many times before disapearing when I'd try to reach out and touch him, saw my neighbor and friends running around in field through trees but was too fucked up to take a closer look and I saw a black dog walking towards me down a trail and disapear behind a tree that was right in front of me. All hallucinations were impossible to distinguish from reality. I had an almost overwealming body buzz when it first kicked in. It was a pretty fun experience overall.

The second time I took the same dosage of name-brand benadryl and just felt like shit for the rest of the day and haven't tried it since. I've heard it's very hard on your liver and kidneys (If you turn yellow, that's a bad sign)

sorry, my trip reports aren't very thorough but I'm too sober right now

[Barnkis]

Fuck DPH