StonieJo, Just about everything I wanted to say to you about this has already been said, but perhaps i can still lend a different perspective. I'm not a father, but I remember being in a similar situation to your sons. My father married multiple times and had at least 7 kids altogether (possibly more, I was the second, my sister the first). Well, though I've never actually met my father there were times when I wanted very badly to go meet my half-brothers and sisters. I was sure they would like me and care about me like those in my immediate family. I was really, really wrong. I went to one of my stepmother's house and the enviroment alone was foreign and scary to me. It didn't take me long to realize that these weren't people I wanted to be around. They were abusive, mean, and more than willing to take advantage of me (I was always quite gullible). I don't know how much this information might help you but I have the feeling that your sons are in a similar situation. As unpleasant as my experiences with these people were I kept going back, giving them chances they didn't deserve. I'm not saying you should step in and neglect them their father, in fact I've always had the feeling that I would be a much more 'together' person if my dad had had any kind of positive influence on my life. You might just want to rethink this if it doesn't get any better. As for child support, my dad never sent a penny to my mother until he died from a heroine overdose (sad, no?). Don't expect your ex to send anything if he hasn't already. You should take action, listen to Cowboy and look up any local (or national) agencies that can help you. Most of them are non-for profit and will be more than happy to rip your ex a new one (in the legal sense

) Good luck and good karma (whichever's more important to you, or both)