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Old 05-15-2008, 01:32 AM
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This guy had sex with this girl, and they were both high.

Everyone else is calling him a rapist.
HA! wait , wait , wait

this dude made a move on a chic that was apparently to him ripped out her skull and she didn't say no. he now doesn't know if it was morally wrong or not.
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Old 05-15-2008, 01:39 AM
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You didn't directly say that you weren't responsible for your own actions, but that's what you implied. You said that girls shouldn't get drunk/high if they can't make good decisions. But you admitted that you made a bad decision while drunk, so why should you be excluded? Why only girls?
I answered those questions in my last post.

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It isn't legally considered consensual if she regretted it once she was sober. That's the law.
The same law that makes you a criminal for smoking marijuana?

And yes, it is consensual, regardless of her intoxication level. She wanted to have sex. I did too. So we had sex. I'm not even sure she regretted it, I'm just assuming she did because I did.

Shit, I was drunk too you know. What if she brought it up? Would that mean I was raped?
 
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Old 05-15-2008, 01:47 AM
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weed doesn't make you mind fucked you can still make decisions thats how people go to work baked.
regardless you should talk to her
i dont think that it is morally wrong but you could regret it if it ruins your friendship
 
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:00 AM
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I answered those questions in my last post.
So all males are exempt from this because of what some stoners on a message board have to say about the subject? That's not a very good answer... it still doesn't explain anything about the double standard.
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The same law that makes you a criminal for smoking marijuana?
Just because one law is bad doesn't mean they all are. Murder is also illegal, but since it's part of the same law that makes you a criminal from smoking marijuana, I guess killing people is okay too?
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And yes, it is consensual, regardless of her intoxication level. She wanted to have sex. I did too. So we had sex. I'm not even sure she regretted it, I'm just assuming she did because I did.
Well you left out that detail... you're the one who admitted you took advantage of her. Your words, not mine. "Taking advantage" suggests that she was willing to do something that she wouldn't have done if she was in a sober state of mind.
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Shit, I was drunk too you know. What if she brought it up? Would that mean I was raped?
It's all about initiation. If you were drunk, a girl made sexual advances toward you, and you never said yes or no, then you are correct.... it would mean you were raped. (Edit - just to clarify, as long as you regretted it the next day.)
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:13 AM
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I answered those questions in my last post.



The same law that makes you a criminal for smoking marijuana?

And yes, it is consensual, regardless of her intoxication level. She wanted to have sex. I did too. So we had sex. I'm not even sure she regretted it, I'm just assuming she did because I did.

Shit, I was drunk too you know. What if she brought it up? Would that mean I was raped?
as if doing ANY drug and rape are comparable!?!

whatever makes you feel better... nobody's calling you a rapist... but you should probably rethink your morals.... starting with whether it's a good idea to try to fuck a drunk chic that probably can't make a good decision to save her life
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:38 AM
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^^^ Good advice.... listen to The Dude.
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:45 AM
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now look, I am one for taking the side a person that is raped anyday, but if she wants to have sex and consents to it, I am down. I always keep girls that I am trying to get with from getting to drunk or high, it ruins the experience, I don't want to fuck a stiff board.
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:02 AM
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as if doing ANY drug and rape are comparable!?!
They're not. I just don't think using the law as a reference is a valid point.

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whatever makes you feel better... nobody's calling you a rapist...
Sure they are.

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but you should probably rethink your morals.... starting with whether it's a good idea to try to fuck a drunk chic that probably can't make a good decision to save her life
I was drunk too. Therefore, I was inclined to make poor decisions just like she did. Well, if we're following your logic, that is.

If you want my opinion, I fucked up big time, and I shouldn't have gotten drunk. It was a really bad move, and I feel like a pig just thinking about it.
 
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:08 AM
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I think its safe to assume that Dock might be hiding from us a secret rendevous he had with Prince. Dock its ok I know it was the weed that caused you to not say No. JK!

On a more serious note how the hell did this thread get to 9 pages the OP hasn't had a response in the last 5 pages drop this shit because when it really comes down to it none of us were there. He also had two other people in the room so I doubt he raped her but if he did Karma's a bitch.
because everyone's trying to make me feel all guilty and shit. Like I said before, I don't believe i did anything wrong but you guys are twisting it like i'm some serial rapist.

she went to lie on my couch. i curled up under a blanket with her. started kissing and shit. next thing you know we're fucking. all the while 2 of my other friends are playing xbox (who had a good laugh about it afterwards). It seemed cool at the time, that's what i'm trying to say. like it wasn't a big deal...

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HA! wait , wait , wait

this dude made a move on a chic that was apparently to him ripped out her skull and she didn't say no. he now doesn't know if it was morally wrong or not.
Well, I know it was stupid, I admitted that. But the purpose of this thread was to what extent marijuana impairs people's judgement....like hypothetically speaking if she screams rape tomorrow, would weed be a factor, really? would that hold up in court.
 
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:09 AM
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If you want my opinion, I fucked up big time, and I shouldn't have gotten drunk. It was a really bad move, and I feel like a pig just thinking about it.
dont be.

EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES.

thats something i dont think anyone here bashing you understands.

the only way that you would be considered evil is if you didnt learn from this and did the same thing again.

the way you described, i guess ive "taken advantage" of chicks plenty of times.

but then again, they walked all the way from the bar back to my place, its not like i clubbed them over the head and slung them over my shoulder caveman style.

and no matter how fucked up you are, its not hard to read body language and feel if a chick isnt into going any further than making out.

just use good judgement.
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Old 05-15-2008, 03:48 AM
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This girl and some other friends came over yesterday. Just basically smoked weed all day. After ripping the bong a few times with her I could tell she was totally baked because she got real quiet and went to lie on my couch.
That right there isn't impaired?
At least I know who is trustworthy in this forum... Seriously, you guys don't ask???

Everyone I've been with has asked if it was okay, cause thats the right thing to do, I don't care if its a bit of a buzz kill, I would hope you'd rather have that than be in jail for 5 years cause I was too high to say "no".

I have been impaired/high to the point of no response, I have had minor blackouts while being high (no booze involved, I never mix the two.) or just forget the next morning, that is why I'm all worked up over the whole concept of this... She could have been in the same situation. Being baked off your ass like that CAN and WILL affect how you make decisions and how you react to people around you. Not saying it always does, but how many of us got high and took money we shouldn't have spent to the store for munchies?

The point is, you ask, to save your own ass, and you put on a goddamn condom. Its not fair to her OR YOU that you're too damn lazy to slip one on. She could be like me and freak out till her next period that shes pregnant, you don't know how she feels about these things, even if she tells you one thing she could be feeling another... I would hope that any guy would think this.

She was impaired, weed isn't a "drug" perse, but it still impairs your normal function. She didn't say no, but she didn't say yes either, so she could serioulsy tell her parents even and they could call the police, its happened before and the law IS on her side, so in that respect I'm telling you to look out for yourself.

What you did is like someone renting a house without signing a leasing agreement stating how much they owe; Assuming the leaser is a trustworthy person, the leasee should be fine, but one slip up on the leasee's part could result in a lawsuit out of spite, and since there isn't any evidence, they probably wouldn't win since the house isn't technically theirs...

I'm sorry that I'm being a crazy bitch about this and am "over reacting", but I honestly don't understand how taking advantage of someone like that is commendable in any way shape or form. Sorry to dissapoint all the other men in this thread that think this guy "scored", but he does need to think not only of the girl, but of his own legal safety. He isn't safe right now, he could get in trouble for doing that, and he should at least confirm if a baked, quiet and sleepy girl is really okay with having sex, no matter how much of a buzz kill that is.

But to answer your question... Yes, weed CAN impair your judgement depending on how high you are and how it affects you, think about it, even YOU say it was a stupid thing to do, why do you have to ask us if it impairs your judgement?
Oh, and its debatable whether it was Immoral, but I would say it was impolite and risky to not ask.

And with that, I'm through here.
You guys wanna respond, I'll be checking my inbox (as in PM me.).
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I rarely post here so I don't really give a fuck about my rep or this account for that matter cause I can just make a new one but anyways I think it's funny how people are getting all emotional and taking everything personally (especially the females).

Girls can say no to taking some dick while high on marijuana, don't act like they can't say no to some type of degree. Yes, maybe it was wrong in a moral aspect to get her high then only to hope you can make a move on her with her new found state of consciousness. If there was not a signal of some sort to give a sign it was not alright, then yes it was alright in legal terms... aka it was not rape. This is weed, it's not a drug that will fuck someone beyond a reasonable doubt into another dimension or something like valium that will knock someone the fuck out like a right hook from tyson.

On that note...

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Old 05-15-2008, 05:58 AM
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tricky, dude, i've had long relationships with girls who were fucked over for good because of situations like this, so i take it to heart... big time

and "the gentleman" (the quotes are intentional) i get that you say you feel bad about it, but all indications are that you don't... let me clarify, i'm not calling you a rapist, and on scoobs point I get people make mistakes... but here's your chance to check yourself and rethink some things through other peoples experiences and perspectives but you're trying to justify your actions instead... so i guess... which is it? justify, or cop to it and change some things.

btw, i'm not trying to put people on trial here... if you don't think it was wrong, go for it, you'll get yours... the point was posed and i'm stating my side... mine just happens to have legal backing as well as personal affect... unless it's clear that it's ok, or she comes on to me, it ain't happenin
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:23 AM
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Well, I know it was stupid, I admitted that. But the purpose of this thread was to what extent marijuana impairs people's judgement....
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This girl and some other friends came over yesterday. Just basically smoked weed all day. After ripping the bong a few times with her I could tell she was totally baked because she got real quiet and went to lie on my couch. Then I made my move.

is this immoral? I mean it's not like she was drunk....
with that said, I had an awesome night
that doesn't seem like your original purpose for posting

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like hypothetically speaking if she screams rape tomorrow, would weed be a factor, really? would that hold up in court.

you're looking at it the wrong way my man.... chances are, it was all good and y'all'll be fine... hell she may even make you her booty call if you're any good... you did get her stoned and you're a for sure lay

MY point is not whether what you did was legal or illegal... but how will she feel about it?
sure you got your rocks off and your buddies had some laughs... but what if she really does feel violated? it's not an easy concept for dudes to get because they want to act all macho and be some kind of marauder... "rape and pillage!".... but seriously if she doesn't press charges, but she does feel like she was taken advantage of, how do you think that affects her for the rest of her life? i mean the consequences are endless FOR HER regardless of whether you pay the price or not. SEE HERE

dudes (i target no one specifically... this is a general and mostly accurate statement) need to stop lookin at pussy as pussy all the time and realize sex is a two way street... quit bein such motherfuckers... sure... i may not sound masculine... but that's exactly my point, society's fucked and y'all play to it in the worst ways

any of you have sisters? younger or older? what would you do if this happened to her? i can bet you i'd end up like the guy who beat the rapist to death and wound up in jail.... i'd probably stop before he died... gotta learn lessons from other
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I can't believe this question is STILL being debated. Shame to all of you that are attempting to justify taking advantage of an innocent girl that enjoys getting high just like you do.

If she gets high with you, that means she's one of us. She is a part of this community and you're talking about violating her. She is an ally in this whatever you wanna call it, hobby, habbit, clique. She's like a sister to you because of that connection and you want to justify taking advantage of her. You're all sick! This thread should be closed.
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