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So if some experienced outdoor growers could help me along the way with these guys, through this thread, that would be awesome.
So I germinated a bunch of seeds using the paper towel method and they all sprouted roots beautifully. However when I went to plant them they all blew away in a sudden gust of wind, yes I know... shameful. So I went to Wal-Mart and got one of those jiffy greenhouses. Germinated 3 more seeds, put them in the jiffy pellets, and they sprouted. They've been outside for about 2 days now, today being the third day.

I'm using a soil mix I got from Home Depot called Premium Nature Mix "All Purpose - Seed Starting Mix". Main ingredients are peat moss, compost, and perlite.

The first pictures are of the seed sprouting after being in darkness in the jiffy pellets. After that is a picture of 2 days outside. Today there's not much difference other than that they are standing straight up now, and the second guy has damn near escaped his shell.
I'll likely update with more pictures tonight, after they've spent another day having fun in the sun.

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Sounds like a good start if this batch of seedlings survives the first couple of days. Using peat, compost and perlite is a smart choice. For "nutes" to use in the future, I would suggest saving your money and trying fermented plant extract. It's really easy and the results speak for themselves all over the organic section.

The recipe is simple. Fill up a container 1/3 of the way with chopped up plant material, fill it with water, then let it hang out for a month. It will stank to high hell, but a couple of tablespoons per gallon are sure to kick-ass. Good plants to use include stinging nettles, dandelions, kudzu, comfrey, clover, yarrow, chamomile, kelp, ...the list goes on.

If you use FPEs and your current mix, without any "bloom boosters", pH adjusters, or any of the other stuff, I promise you will still have very healthy plants so long as they get enough sun and not get over or under watered.
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Awesome, will do, thanks for the help. I just hope they turn out to be females. Today isn't looking so good either. The sun has been covered by clouds the past couple hours and it's windy as hell.
But as I said, I'll post some more pictures tonight.
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So there were no big changes to my plant today as it was cloudy pretty well all day. Tomorrow is supposed to be cloudy again, as well as rainy. I've got my plant inside right now as the temperature is going to drop pretty cold tonight and was wondering should I keep them inside for the harsh weather tomorrow as well? I just watered them today, any extra wouldn't be a good thing, and after tomorrow it's supposed to be clear sunny skies so they'll be right back at it.
To paraphrase, how long is too long to keep a sprouted plant in darkness. (I don't have any CFLs, at the most I would be able to put a simple desk lamp on them for tomorrow)

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Moving freshly sprouted seedlings outside can be really tough. Rabbits, wind, spider mites, all kinds of nasty things just waiting to screw up your first (or 2nd or 3rd...) grow.
If you can swing it, you can purchase a 42W CFL bulb at home Depot or WalMart for about 6-8 bucks. Home Depot also sells a spun aluminum clamp-on reflector hood for about 6 bucks. It's usually in the extension cord and shop light section. You only need a very small corner section of your closet to pop seeds.
You risk breaking the tap root when going from paper towel to any other medium but dirt. The jiffy pellets are a decent medium for transplanting directly to outdoors. After you have soaked the jiffy pellets, skip the paper towels and plant the seed directly into the pellet, pointy side down is preferred.
Leave them in a warm dark place until the seeds germinate. Then get them under the 42W CFL as soon as possible, just a few inches away. The youngest I would recommend moving outdoors is after three sets of true leaves have formed. But if you can hold them longer, say until they are 6 - 8 " high, will help their survival odds.
If you are where you can do this, it's best to "harden" the plants before moving them to their permanent outdoor home. This requires you to be around - move them outdoors for a few hours in the morning, gradually increase their exposure time over several days. Within a week of hardening they should be ready to face the cold cruel world.
Best of luck, and watch out for snakes.....
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Can I plug a CFL into a normal desk lamp? I'm not in a permanent residence so I don't want to go and buy a bunch of equipment quite yet. So one or two bulbs to get these plants rolling wouldn't hurt. And how much do CFLs boost your power bill?

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Ahahah, so they're back outside today. Sun is-a-shinin', they're standing nice and erect, only thing is that I've got 2 pots, 1 of the pots has 2 plants in it, and the other had one. Today in the pot that has 1, I noticed 2 more sprouts coming through. Ah yes, the seeds that I thought had gotten too much water and died, have now sprung to life. So rather than 3 plants to maintain, I've got 5. Ah well, more chances of getting a female.
I'll update in about half hour with some pics.

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Alright, another windy, cloudy day today. Supposed to be the last of them, and the sun is supposed to come back tomorrow. No more torture for these guys. Here are some more pics that I just took. Not really much progress as I said because there's been no sun and lots of wind for the past couple days.
The third picture depicts the seed I originally planted in the middle, with 2 more that I thought were dead coming up on each side of it. Just more transplanting required, eventually.

Any guesses as to why the one guy's leaves are sticking up?

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The leafs are sticking up to absorb the good sunshine.Thats what you want.They will go back to normal at night.

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The Old Schooler's advice sounds dead on.

My addition would be concern for a plant that stretches for the light instead of being a squat and chunky lady. If you have to, a CFL in a desk lamp is better than nothing. Just be sure in isn't a dimable unit to be safe. Google "exploding CFL" for a good scare.

The sun is the best grow light anyways. If your plant ends up stretchy, you can still bury the lankiness and move forward, provided she's tough enough to move out of the house.
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unfortunatly it's not an option for me right now. Just checked my lamps, and I would only be able to use 13 watt CFLs without burning my place down. As I said, I can't buy any substantial equipment right now because of where I'm currently staying, and I'm in university so cash is tight, but I do plan to invest in a decent indoor grow setup once I get a little more settled. As for now, I'm just experimenting really. By the way, another seed succesfully germinated, so once I throw that in it's own pot, that'll be 6 plants on the go... surely I'll get a good female out of these.

I did put these guys outside too quickly, but they're still sticking it out so they're probably going to be some pretty damn strong plants. The one guys leaves are back to normal, and the weather is supposed to get a lot better tomorrow for the next forseeable future, so I'll update with some more pics tomorrow. Thanks for the help guys.

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In all honesty I've lost track of how much time has elapsed since I started germinating, I think it's been a week, but anyway here's a pic update. Finally seeing some growth, thanks to that good ol' mother's day sun.
As I said, I had some seeds that I thought drown, sprout out, so now I've got 3 in one pot. How easy should it be to transplant? And when should I do it? I want them to get a little stronger first obviously.
Also, I've got a few seeds left in my jiffy greenhouse that just sprouted and I'm out of pots, so I think I'm going to go plant them around downtown where I live just for fun, in the most public places possible, anyone done this before? What was the result?

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Here's the dank-ness in which these seeds came from... (sorry about the quality of pics, these are all screenshots from video footage)

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I just checked the weather channel and I'm supposed to be getting up to 15ml of rain on wednesday. Should I take these guys in or water them a little less and let them stick it out in the rain?

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Ya man plant them downtown, but male sure youlant them in places that the maintenance people who water it mow it don't see it and just pull it out. I was thinking the exact same thing kinda as a joke, we have a river valley here in the middle of town too, I wouldn't mind starting a few and letting nature take it's course over the next few years and hopefully it spreads like the weeds in my lawn lol.

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I just checked the weather channel and I'm supposed to be getting up to 15ml of rain on wednesday. Should I take these guys in or water them a little less and let them stick it out in the rain?


Take them in, or at least cover them. Rainwater is sweet for wet t-shirt contests, but it can beat the crap out of your delicate seedlings. Once they get a bit older and start developing a "real" trunk, they can withstand direct rain.
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don't set them in the rain if it's been dry for long and you're in a major city.

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Alrighty then, thanks for the advice guys. I'll post some more pics as soon as there's some noticeable change. I can see they're just about ready to pop the next set of leaves.

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Ok so the smallest guy's root isn't doing so well, and since he's so far behind I wanna get rid of him, and give that pot to one of the bigger guys. What's the best way of going about taking one of those bigger guys out safely? Should I do it just after I water the soil? And how far down do you think those roots are right now?

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