Vaporizer Debate

[420TheCollector]

Well TheColonel has got Ars' back, I smiled when I read the comment about him forgetting more about vaporizing than he knew LOL

Ars has taken time out of his day to explain exactly why the Volcano is over-rated; and you come on here saying it's the best there is. That's gotta be annoying. I mean it's one thing to say- hey, I paid for a brand name and it's still tight... But calling him a tool when he has taken time to explain why it's not worth the money and you come in here with the Volcano commercial script I mean come on.

He's just trying to help, if you look past being so biased you'll see he's not only saying, but explaining how it can be done for cheaper... And still it be higher quality.


I'm not too handy with building things I will admit, so I sometimes have to pay for a brand name because I can't make it myself. I've never had anyone bitch about the Volcano when using it- it's only about the quality of construction and price.

It sounds to me like Ars has tried a bunch of different vaporizers and even taken part in the dismantling of said vaporizers. I'll be watching for his posts about vaporizers from now on fo sho.

[Ars moriendi]

I wish Hippy Dickie was around GC and that kanjo dude both had/have a way better grasp on things then I but it's nice to know people aren't buying hype

Dude...I died when ya made that VW comment... my cousin owned a god awful 87 jetta

the body was pretty much metal air cardboard thick pressboard with cloth on it for it's cheap innards

and to cap it off the wheels were BOLTED on ...and I can personally attest to the failure rate of this system after 4 seperate wheel mishaps doing 30+

it's like hitting a giant street cone

[infiniteawesome]

well even though I don't use cannabis medicinally, I have to say the best non-DIY vaporizer besides the Volcano looks to be the Hotbox. In fact, I hope to get one this fall, but I don't know where I can get one physically, so I might have to order it online. I just don't have six hundred bucks or so to spend on the volcano and I've never been a fan of heat gun deals. I'd rather it be an apparatus on its own I suppose.

[Ars moriendi]

8 tiles glued together a soldering iron rheostat 'n a short run of glass tubing with one end rolled in

it operates the same as all the whip vaps so unless you dig the tiles you could probably find or make something cheaper grabbing the whip from your local headshop or something

[TheColonel]

Originally Posted by infiniteawesome

well even though I don't use cannabis medicinally, I have to say the best non-DIY vaporizer besides the Volcano looks to be the Hotbox. In fact, I hope to get one this fall, but I don't know where I can get one physically, so I might have to order it online. I just don't have six hundred bucks or so to spend on the volcano and I've never been a fan of heat gun deals. I'd rather it be an apparatus on its own I suppose.

I would have to agree w/ you on that. If you dont want to go through the hassle of fabbing up a vape, your best bet is a box/whip style vape. There is something to be said for a unit that is completely self contained, small, not bulky or complicated, and can deliver a decent vapor hit for about 100 bucks.

I wouldnt ever have that unit be a 500 dollar "volkswagen of vaporizers". Theres better ways to waste your money and still get a good self contained, easy to use unit.

The drawbacks to the box/whip design are the fact that as the bud starts to vaporize, it starts shrinking and taking up less space. The bud falls to the bottom of the whip (when held to the heater) The sideways heating element just doesnt hit everything w/o either holding the entire unit vertically, or turning up the heat and rotating the whip around the heating element. Turning up the heat will reduce the length of the bowl, however, and it will mess w/ that wonderful vaporizer taste.

The other issue is the screens dont filter out all the particles so you have to stick your tongue in front of the whip when you draw or you can run the whip through a small bubbler style water chamber. That will filter out the mini kif particles that sneak through, and it will cool the vapor pretty well. The problem w/ those particles is that if you vaporize regularly, they'll start to effect your respritory system if they build up.

aside from that, the box/whip vape is a great starter vape. if you get into it a bit more, you'll surely be looking for ways to optimize it to get the best hits, and therefore may need to upgrade to something like a heat gun.

[infiniteawesome]

Originally Posted by TheColonel

I would have to agree w/ you on that. If you dont want to go through the hassle of fabbing up a vape, your best bet is a box/whip style vape. There is something to be said for a unit that is completely self contained, small, not bulky or complicated, and can deliver a decent vapor hit for about 100 bucks.

I wouldnt ever have that unit be a 500 dollar "volkswagen of vaporizers". Theres better ways to waste your money and still get a good self contained, easy to use unit.

The drawbacks to the box/whip design are the fact that as the bud starts to vaporize, it starts shrinking and taking up less space. The bud falls to the bottom of the whip (when held to the heater) The sideways heating element just doesnt hit everything w/o either holding the entire unit vertically, or turning up the heat and rotating the whip around the heating element. Turning up the heat will reduce the length of the bowl, however, and it will mess w/ that wonderful vaporizer taste.

The other issue is the screens dont filter out all the particles so you have to stick your tongue in front of the whip when you draw or you can run the whip through a small bubbler style water chamber. That will filter out the mini kif particles that sneak through, and it will cool the vapor pretty well. The problem w/ those particles is that if you vaporize regularly, they'll start to effect your respritory system if they build up.

aside from that, the box/whip vape is a great starter vape. if you get into it a bit more, you'll surely be looking for ways to optimize it to get the best hits, and therefore may need to upgrade to something like a heat gun.

Thanks for that info. I did NOT know that seeing as I have never used/owned a vap before.

I just don't like the idea of the guns. I thought drawing THC through a water pipe reduced the amount of THC one gets from each hit, whereas a vaporizer is efficient enough to make sure a great deal of the THC reaches your bloodstream. Thusly those heat guns that one places directly onto the bowl never seemed efficient to me, but I might be wrong as there's a lot of debate on the subject of how much THC is actually lost from filtering the vap or smoke through water. I personally use a small bubbler which I'm very happy with currently, though I've noticed that over the last year that I smoked ganja regularly (my first and only year of regular cannabis use, stopped recently until my small grow comes through) that my lungs didn't feel so great and I had some trouble on long amounts of exercising. This was mainly cuz I was smoking many bowls of schwagg though, that's why I stopped smoking regs.

ANYWHO, how badly do those kief particles that escape into the whip affect your lungs? I'd imagine it can't be much worse for you than smoking . . . since the amount of tar buildup in one's lungs must be many many times that of what is in anybody's glass, acrylic, or metal smoking piece.

And Ars, I would never trust myself to make something that I would smoke/vap out of. Kudos for the understanding of how the hot box operates and is constructed, but I can honestly say I wouldn't feel right making my own smoking or vaporization device, save for rolling a joint . . .

[Ars moriendi]

^ dude you'd be shocked... when someone sells a product like that they really don't think about your health

this is why many look at the volcano as the best

the innards of most of these whip models is pretty gritty with respect to heat and your lungs safely getting thc

for example the majority of vap bro or pure vaporizer types are just a soldering iron with it's handle removed screwed to a block of wood (usually coated in something you wouldn't wanna inhale) within a box that leads to the inline rheostat to control your temp by way of voltage or put in with heat resistant putty like the new vap bros

the only really safe whip ones commercially are those all glass bubbler whip ones that can be seen on glasspipes.org or hotglass that herbalizer hookah looking thing

its all glass while the box ones have a hot ass iron of some sort ceramic or not hooked to wood wire ect thats contained within more wood or glued together tiles lol

once I started ripping mine apart I was a bit irked by how much silly design and needless crap that could melt that was in them

if you wanna try diy radio shack has much of what you need while

all you need is a bit of glass tubing that'll fit over the iron with a few of the bic safety things inside to keep it stable yet free to flow

besides that you buy the whip heat the tubes end so it rounds in to accept the headshop whip

if you wanna get fancy hook it to an inline lamp dimmer to adjust the temp

another even safer route is to use a quality clear lightbulb hooked to the inline dimmer and a pathway for heat to flow over your herb like the vaporeyes unit

get creative all you want is a clear heat path with nothing burnable besides the bud could be any source so long as it lets you inhale hot air over herb

[420TheCollector]

Originally Posted by TheColonel

The other issue is the screens dont filter out all the particles so you have to stick your tongue in front of the whip when you draw or you can run the whip through a small bubbler style water chamber. That will filter out the mini kif particles that sneak through, and it will cool the vapor pretty well. The problem w/ those particles is that if you vaporize regularly, they'll start to effect your respritory system if they build up.

This debate is getting better and better. I never knew this about whip style vapes- but it makes sense. My buddy was asking if there was a way to combat the sore throat problem he was experiencing from his vaporizer; and we thought about the bubbler/ice chamber for the whip idea.

Not only do little particles make their way through, but the hot air can be uncomfortable on the throat as well. A bubbler/ice chamber for the whip is a solution, and now I know if I get a Super Vapezilla, I need to get a special whip to make it as tight as it can be as well.

Thanks for taking the time to discuss this issue in detail, because I'm getting a lot of insight on things I'm new into understanding about vaporizing.

[Tillianne]

I am always looking for new information regarding my vaporizers, and vaporizers in general.

Hopefully we can pass on what we learn in the future.

[Ars moriendi]

vapzilla is basically a rip of the fogger which you can probably find on ebay

it uses a mini oven heating element if I recall correctly

the bubbler thing is pretty easy to do

mini sherlock bubs and such usually have a bowl that'll perfectly fit the tip of any old vapor bros or vaporwarez

add a screen to get the widest possible surface to work with and use fine ground bud in coin thick layers with the water about 2 pennies high past the downstem

you don't want water to bubble just to be pushed by the air enough to act as a wall of absorbtion for the particles as you inhale

think spitball hitting wall

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.c...7_1906_1088742

you only get a small space for bud but it's a single hit per perosn sort of vapor rip anyway

Also the silversurfer vap has a 50 some buck addon that replaces the glass mouthpiece with a bubbler that terminates in a tube that fits in your plastic tubing but I prefer all glass since you are drawing hot air like you would on a bong

[420TheCollector]

I'm not seeing the fogger on E-Bay... But the Super Vapezilla has a microchip in it to keep the temp constant no matter if you inhale slow or fast, has a digital temperature readout, and it looks really cool. I know it's overpriced, but I'm not on a budget when it comes to the best vaporizer out there. This also includes aesthetics of course, which I think is a strong point of the Vapezilla, especially the Super Vapezilla like I'm planning on.

I'll post a picture of my design for a glass ice chamber to attach to a whip, and I really want a sick headie glass one too... I just have to talk to a glass blower at this head shop in Clearwater.

I'm pretty sure the Vapezilla is a high quality product, it's made in the U.S.A. from what I can see, and it comes with a warranty. You can't get much better than that

[Ars moriendi]

well the fogger was the original creation made by the zilla guy and this other guy

so mr. wickedroots is a scumbag and is already tied up in court with the other guy with thousands of useless paid for pre-orders waiting last I heard

even if it's quality it's not worth getting scammed of half a g

the guy already proved he was a piece of shit when he sold ceramic soldering iron elements in a lil aliminum box for 150 bucks claiming it was a vap/lighter replacement for flavor

fact was you could buy the same replacement core or full iron for between 13-30 bucks complete with temp dial

keep researching before you buy anything cuz they're all out to scam ya bro

[420TheCollector]

Oh I feel ya Ars, I know how people are just trying to make money nowadays... I really like the design and even though I'm paying a lot for it still I want it.

I just have to make sure whoever I buy it from actually sends me a unit though, and that much is crucial. LOL

I definitely do not want a Phedor, that thing looks like a rip off man... I could do the same thing with a glass rod and a torch. It's just the Super Vapezilla is really something else. I can send it back too from what they are saying, so I guess there is nothing to lose. I will make sure to talk to someone on the phone about if the units are back ordered or not before I hand over the money. That seems like the only way I can prevent getting screwed, although I'm open to suggestions.

[TheColonel]

Originally Posted by 420TheCollector

This debate is getting better and better. I never knew this about whip style vapes- but it makes sense. My buddy was asking if there was a way to combat the sore throat problem he was experiencing from his vaporizer; and we thought about the bubbler/ice chamber for the whip idea.

Not only do little particles make their way through, but the hot air can be uncomfortable on the throat as well. A bubbler/ice chamber for the whip is a solution, and now I know if I get a Super Vapezilla, I need to get a special whip to make it as tight as it can be as well.

Thanks for taking the time to discuss this issue in detail, because I'm getting a lot of insight on things I'm new into understanding about vaporizing.

If you're worried about sore throats, or the filtration of the kif particles theres always the Aromed. FWIW they managed to get Dr. Grinspoon on board.

Originally Posted by vaposcience

Medically appropriate application:

*

With it's protected hot air supply, inhalation is as pure as necessary for medical application.
*

No metal oxides and heavy metal ions are inhaled as with other vaporizers.

They're approx 450 bucks, so its not the cheapest thing in the world, but they did take the time to engineer it very well.

Ars, what do you think about this?

[420TheCollector]

That's basically what I was thinking about making for a filtration chamber, (with a glass-on-glass fitting, you could plug it into GonG bong or bubbler) but the thing is the taste of the vapor will be comprimised with such an application. An ice chamber might be better in the fact it won't produce any unwanted tastes, but then again I still have to experiment.

It might just be better to use a heat gun most of the time and the whip style for just tasting the green toke. Aromed just doesn't look like it's up my alley. I'm looking for something a little cooler looking than that thing, and I don't care if I have to pay more for it. I want headie glass work on my setup, and I'm sure I'm going to get ragged on for spending so much but it will be tight. It's like saying to someone they can get a car for thousands less that gets you to point A to point B the same as a Corvette. I'm looking for something stylish as it is functional though.

That's what I like about the heat gun so much- you can use your existing glass bongs with it.