Cannabis oil cures cancer.

[Herb N. Haler]

Originally Posted by oldskoolgrower

No, zealots. That's what all of these posts that keep cropping up making blanket claims amount to. Zealotry. I wasn't even talking about the video, but the erroneous and misleading thread title. Cannabis oil does NOT cure cancer and yes it IS grossly irresponsible to give false hope to people who may be feeling desperate.

hahahahahahahaha.....
huhhhhh.....
thats was a good laugh...
Zealotry...? Ok, so what am I eagerly devoting myself to...?
all I did was offer a VIDEO, for people to view and make their own conclusions....
well, admittedly you did not watch the video, yet u still reached a conclusion...hmmm, funny how people do that alot these days...

YOU have not used this oil in treatment of your cancer sir...
so in all respect YOU have no idea, all you know is that it has not been announced on the news by a group of doctors with smiles on their face...

like I said there is a fight AGAINST the release of a cure due to the powerful lobbying of multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical companies...that make money for "treating" this man-caused disease...not curing it, so chances are there will not have a world-televised press conference, and it will be people like this guy who get blackballed, and thrown in jail, and ignored by people like you who never even fully listen to his claim, due to the fact you think cancer is some mythical plague, instead of uncontrolled cell creation/growth, and the only worthwhile opinion or answer comes from a white lab coat...or sum other explanation, not my place to say your reasoning...

This is not a forum for kids, only responsible adults...
if ppl. are easily misled, or believe things without personal examination/scrutiny, that is your own misunderstanding of how to properly reach a conclusion...study the scientific method if u need a foundation for discovering truth...but that is grade school cirriculuum...
This is only a platform, and Im just the medium, dont kill the messenger...
If u felt the title was misleading, that should have provoked a heightened need to view the material and back-up your opinion...

Since ur old school, its probably too late to alter your ways, and it seems to me your drawing from emotions right now..so if I could make a humble suggestion, it would serve this forum, world, and well-intention people everywhere, if you would unbiasely, unemotionally, take a LOOK at what this humble guy has acheived and is trying to get studied by those in the medical field...

the worst answer you could come up with is well, its worth a comprehensive study...
and the oil is actually called hemp oil, but it is pure thc...

People who are dying, and are desperate, have nothing but hope and a desire for alternative options...I know...the doctor usually only has poison and radiation, or a draining hourglass of their mortality...this I believe has promise, which is why if u saw the movie, he received so much opposition from medical professionals he confronted..

[Storm Crow]

(sigh) Children! Play nice!

[Herb N. Haler]

Originally Posted by oldskoolgrower

Wow. Just wow. You really ARE a lunatic.

/unsub...there is no reasoning with blind fanatics

Im guessing you also didnt read my last message either...
I tend to actually read and respond...
what are you like a middle aged man negative repping 20 year olds when they fail to accept your limited logic...
You got me, thanks for the negative rep...hahaha...you win...?
Dont reason, negative rep...damn, one peg down in this game...

Dont worry Im not going to negative rep you back, Im not a little child and so I dont respond to gross immaturity...you know the, "You are!", "No you are!" back in forth...

I'll take that -rep as a badge of honor, and I dont feel u deserve one for those comments, though your childish action may...
I'll rest with the fact I caused a middle aged man to act like a 8 year old...and laugh in life...
C'mon man, do you have kids...
its time you become an ADULT.

Good day.

[Herb N. Haler]

Originally Posted by Storm Crow

(sigh) Children! Play nice!

Im sorry, you warned me...
I feel like I disappointed you, haha.
I agree with most everything you said though.

That is all.

[sky dog]

Originally Posted by oldskoolgrower

/unsub...there is no reasoning with blind fanatics

Haha you want to see just how far these people are willing to go to defend this crap?

http://forum.grasscity.com/medical-m...-hemp-oil.html

You're right, there's no arguing with them. Any legitimate argument a skeptic could make is instantly written off with the standard conspiracy theory response.

[Herb N. Haler]

Originally Posted by sky dog

Haha you want to see just how far these people are willing to go to defend this crap?

http://forum.grasscity.com/medical-m...-hemp-oil.html

You're right, there's no arguing with them. Any legitimate argument a skeptic could make is instantly written off with the standard conspiracy theory response.

Who's them...what is the shared characteristic WE have..?
A SKEPTIC?

how about being a open reasonable person with a healthy amount of skepticism in your scrutiny of certain claims...but you limit yourself when you concrete your whole method of reasoning into one tactical action all the time no matter the predicament...if you do that you become a hopeless cynic, with only one outcome, no solution...how about being unbiase? how about analyzing data?

Rant: I feel like a life coach sometime, why cant people solve their OWN personal deficiencies...strive to be balanced, adjusted, not flag holders with preconceptions and biases, and unresolved traumas which defectively shape their outlook and self-crafted beliefs...I still trying 2 perfect myself, I dont have time to parent ppl...How old are the people in here...? I would hope we are all over 18 right...and conduct ourselves like so, right...?

a potential cure for cancer is crap...? wow, you would think at worst its a partial treatment in its early stages...wow...
Damn...the messenger is killed once again...

[sky dog]

Crap is perhaps too complimentary

Can you answer one question? Why do leading figures and organizations in the marijuana advocacy movement like Dr. Lester Grinspoon of Harvard University, or NORML (well, everyone ought to know what NORML is)....why do they not even mention hemp oil at all? It's their entire mission to find reasons why marijuana should be legal. If this is as clear and obvious as you and others claim it is, there shouldn't be any trouble in convincing the experts....right?

[Herb N. Haler]

Originally Posted by sky dog

Crap is perhaps too complimentary

Can you answer one question? Why do leading figures and organizations in the marijuana advocacy movement like Dr. Lester Grinspoon of Harvard University, or NORML (well, everyone ought to know what NORML is)....why do they not even mention hemp oil at all? It's their entire mission to find reasons why marijuana should be legal. If this is as clear and obvious as you and others claim it is, there shouldn't be any trouble in convincing the experts....right?

what is clear and obvious about this?...you must dont read entire posts either...
I said it is at worst a treatment in its initial phases of research...
but those who research it of authority would have to have an incentive right...?
what would that be...?

Norml is seen as a marijuana legalization group...regardless of all its different scientific findings...you should know that...
what is the reason any1 of authority should believe or even look at anything they publish..
the reason they dont want take on something like a cancer cure is its a very controversial topic of study, especially when so many people have died behind this epidemic..

Their main goal is the decriminalization of Cannabis, not a cure for cancer, and if their goal is achieved then it would make the search for a cure (if cannabis) more adequate studied, you cant do that with its illegality...
So even if they did believe what Mr. Simpson says, they would be tight lipped about it since without cannabis decriminalization a true study of this plants medical value can never be fully tried...without breaking the law...

[Skunk1]

Originally Posted by oldskoolgrower

People like the OP are being grossly irresponsible by giving people false hope. I'm the first to tout the many benefits of cannabis, but it's not some magical cure-all and it does NOT cure cancer. There is evidence that it can help kill some types of tumors but it's hardly a magical cure.

I agree. Seems no different than the people who tell cancer patients to stop taking all their meds and believe that the power of god will save them. Until there are real studies this is just another joke to sane people.

chem trails
9/11
big pharmaceutical
moon landing
2012
cancer industry

Stop smoking marijuana if it makes you paranoid.

[SovietRed]

This video made me more mad than anything. Just some bs.

[Astrovan]

Both sides have your points, but believe it or not you're BOTH flirting with zealotry here.

The Oil's supporters (myself included here) should not jump the gun and use so many sticky all-inclusive nouns and adjectives (remember, none of this is sure-fire until its tested on an individual personally)

However, it isnt necessary to rain all over their parade simply because "not enough research has been done". As has been said before, this was started by an older chap from Nova Scotia, not some rich banker-invester-researcher scientist. Not enough research has been done you say? THEN PUSH FOR IT! The man clearly is at least on to something.

You say it might only cure one cancer. So what? Thats a huge relief to tens of thousands of people I'm sure. And if it can cure more? Fan-fucking-tastic. There are no losers here, only potential gain.

Let me just put it like this:

BAD:

Statement #1: "Hemp Oil is a cancer cure-all. No matter what type of cancer you have or what stage its in, you're saved! Everyone in the world with cancer is okay now! Hooray!"

Statement #2: "Hemp Oil hasn't been properly researched and bureaucratized by the pharmeceautical establishment, so it has no merits yet and you shouldn't look into it and consider it a treatment option."

GOOD:

Statement #3: "Hemp Oil has shown remarkable promise in many patients suffering from various forms of cellular mutation, and while its medical value has not been irrefutably confirmed as of yet the treatment may be an option to you, should you wish to investigate yourself and weigh the choices yourself."


See how I took the best of both worlds there?

If I were you folks, I'd refer this to as many every-day average folk you can find, and especially to anyone in the medical field.

Bonus points for researchers.

And if they're a cancer patient interested in an alternative treatment, present the benefits and risks to them in an honest, unbiased way.

In my opinion, the only detriments are cost (relatively minimal), and legal risk, and honestly, most people I know would rather break a law to live, than well... die.

You don't get a medal for being a dead law-abiding citizen.

But again, its up to the patient, not you or me or Rick Simpson or anyone else.

[tbolg]

Originally Posted by Astrovan

Both sides have your points, but believe it or not you're BOTH flirting with zealotry here.

The Oil's supporters (myself included here) should not jump the gun and use so many sticky all-inclusive nouns and adjectives (remember, none of this is sure-fire until its tested on an individual personally)

However, it isnt necessary to rain all over their parade simply because "not enough research has been done". As has been said before, this was started by an older chap from Nova Scotia, not some rich banker-invester-researcher scientist. Not enough research has been done you say? THEN PUSH FOR IT! The man clearly is at least on to something.

You say it might only cure one cancer. So what? Thats a huge relief to tens of thousands of people I'm sure. And if it can cure more? Fan-fucking-tastic. There are no losers here, only potential gain.

Let me just put it like this:

BAD:

Statement #1: "Hemp Oil is a cancer cure-all. No matter what type of cancer you have or what stage its in, you're saved! Everyone in the world with cancer is okay now! Hooray!"

Statement #2: "Hemp Oil hasn't been properly researched and bureaucratized by the pharmeceautical establishment, so it has no merits yet and you shouldn't look into it and consider it a treatment option."

GOOD:

Statement #3: "Hemp Oil has shown remarkable promise in many patients suffering from various forms of cellular mutation, and while its medical value has not been irrefutably confirmed as of yet the treatment may be an option to you, should you wish to investigate yourself and weigh the choices yourself."


See how I took the best of both worlds there?

If I were you folks, I'd refer this to as many every-day average folk you can find, and especially to anyone in the medical field.

Bonus points for researchers.

And if they're a cancer patient interested in an alternative treatment, present the benefits and risks to them in an honest, unbiased way.

In my opinion, the only detriments are cost (relatively minimal), and legal risk, and honestly, most people I know would rather break a law to live, than well... die.

You don't get a medal for being a dead law-abiding citizen.

But again, its up to the patient, not you or me or Rick Simpson or anyone else.

Exactly

[Herb N. Haler]

man, you guys are serious.
Wildwill & Skydog....negative rep me...?
For stating a logical unbiased position on how these people in this video arent just kooks and liars..which is kind of what your insinuating of their testimonies...

Wildwill you say I engaged in agism...when a guy negative reps me for speaking my mind...reasonably and clearly..which was watch & conclude... Funny...I still wont -rep you in reatalliation...?
Skydog u -rep me for being "kind of an asshole.."
wow, how articulate too...
this shit is very stupid...a cure for cancer thread got me my first 3 -reps...
Funny world, this shows even on a "cannabis forum" their is conditioning and rejection of uncomfortable truths...its easy to take the cynical/100% skeptical position(smells of feux intellectualism) thats what were used too...the agreed upon commercial understanding of "controversial" topics and complicated issues..

I think many people need to understand truly the plant they ingest and intake.
Like Bob Marley said, the herb reveals you to yourself...
Lets you know the type of person you are, as it allows ones faculties to work more intensely, and actively...but if you lack understanding or are subconsiously controlled by past traumas in your life that you refuse to address, accept, and grow from...then you are not on a balanced foundation...and can not see thing openly, objectively, and clearly...with your only allegiance to truth...
Even baseless disbelief is a selfish personal impediment...an immature fear of acceptance...who are you to sabotage an honest trial(case,deliberation,judgement) of these claims?

And that was all I posted this video for...Who knows if this oil cures every type or any cancer for certain...All I know is all the personal information Ive learned about the cannabis plant(bio/chem/hist) and the testimonies of the people in this video and the method in which he produces it...
In my judgement they have less reason and less to gain from being dishonest regarding their claims...

I dont need to see 10 years of FDA studies to prove cannabis isnt a schedule 1 narcotic, though they use that "nontested" excuse to deny its medicinal value...
Its how and why for me in edition to trial and error and take notes...
The official testing is impededed by its illegality...
these two topics are closely intertwined...
Though freedom of speech is a right, it should be dependent on ones obliged responsibility to listen...

That is all I can say on this thread...til a later time when more is "discovered" and people transform to the potential of their capability or at least try...

Astrovan i agree.....

piece...
come 2gether.

[fracturtle]

it makes sense that cannabis oil would do good. our bodies produce natural cannabinoids that regulate extremely important life processes. it seems reasonable that a healthy dose of cannabinoids taken from nature would be beneficial.

[captaincheez]

Like nearly all good arguments, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

No, cannabis oil is not the 'cure for cancer', as cancer is a classification of diseases with a wide range of causes, symptoms, effects, and treatments. However there have been quite a few studies showing various cannabanoids slowing and in some cases reversing the growth and spread of certain types of tumors.

The good herb's shining moment is as an adjunct therapy to the usual chemo regime. As chemo drugs are pretty much poisonous to the human body, they cause extreme nausea. A little bit of cannabis helps the patient keep down their medication, giving them the best hope to fight off their disease. The munchies most people experience is a bonus, as it helps them keep up their strength. And just getting high and being happy for a little while is a godsend to those facing poor prospects for recovery.

Even if MJ never proves to directly affect tumor growth, the anti-nausea and hunger boosting effects are a vital tool for doctors and patients to use in fighting cancer.

Certainly cannabis has many effects that we haven't discovered yet. It really is a wonder drug. But if it was a true cure for cancer, don't you think we would have found that out in the 10,000+ years humans have used it?