Michigan Medical Marijuana Info - Page 3

DaPharaoh · #31 (**permalink**) 11-09-2008, 04:17 AM

AFD or anyone else on this thread planing on being a caregiver, how did you find your patients? my grandparents know alot of people that have cancer or something that would make them eligble. i was thinking of asking them if any of their friends were thinking of getting prescribed. besides that though i have no idea how i could find anyone to grow for. any suggestions?

Mordecai · #32 (**permalink**) 11-09-2008, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaPharaoh

AFD or anyone else on this thread planing on being a caregiver, how did you find your patients? my grandparents know alot of people that have cancer or something that would make them eligble. i was thinking of asking them if any of their friends were thinking of getting prescribed. besides that though i have no idea how i could find anyone to grow for. any suggestions?

I may be a caregiver for my grandmother. Shes got pinched nerves in her back which in turn affects her legs making it hard for her to stand. She had also mentioned using marijuana to me a few times, I might go see a doctor with her.

She has a perfect room to set something nice up as well.

DaPharaoh · #33 (**permalink**) 11-09-2008, 06:13 AM

that be tight to grow for your grandma, you live in michigan right?

#34 (**permalink**) 11-09-2008, 07:50 AM

Hey malapickle,
I'm assuming you are also a fellow Spartan? I graduated from there last year. Anyway I am in the same boat as you; I'm planning on starting a home care service if the whole caregiver title can be applied to anyone (considering they meet the specified criteria such as no prior drug offenses, clean criminal background, etc.).
Just wondering on that your thoughts are on possibly discussing this further, maybe partner up if things work out. I put an ad on craigs list and a ton of people have already sent my their resumes so I need to get this project moving.

The ad on craigslist and it reads:

Primary Caregivers needed for Grassroots Organization (Detroit, MI) (Detroit) Reply to: job-911051828@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2008-11-08, 3:16PM EST

As you all know, Nov.4th was a victory for people all across the United States. In addition to electing a great president, Michigan has passed a proposal which would allow those suffering with severe illnesses such as , Cancer, Hepatitis C, Crohn's disease,HIV/AIDS, Alzheimers, multiple sclerosis and the like, to gain relief through the use of medical marijuana.
Unfortunately, many of these patients will still have to go through drug dealers, as there will not be dispensaries/distributors in Michigan as there are in California. However, Section G of Proposal 1 states:
(g) “Primary caregiver” means a person who is at least 21 years old and who
has agreed to assist with a patient’s medical use of marijuana and who has never
been convicted of a felony involving illegal drugs."
(2) for each registered qualifying patient who has specified that the primary
caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marijuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marijuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility.
(c) “Enclosed, locked facility” means a closet, room, or other enclosed area
equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by a
registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient.

Therefore we are looking to provide a safe and affordable way for patients to gain access to the medicine they need. This would involve starting a growing operation. We are going to be a non-profit organization dedicated to providing marijuana to patients, not a business looking to profit. We simply need to build a base of caregivers and patients.
If you are a caregiver or patient and have any questions/comments feel free to contact.
Also looking for anyone interested in Marketing the Home Care Company that we will be starting.

Hebrew man · #35 (**permalink**) 11-10-2008, 01:35 AM

Ok, so i have ADD, have had it since i was 8 years old and have had the same doctor for over 10 years. Im currently prescribed adderall which has a side effect of severe loss of appitite. I have been smoking weed the last few years while taking adderall for increased focus and attention. Should i bring this up to my doctor? I do feel that mariujana has favorable effects on me due to this. The law states a doctor may prescribe MMJ to patiants who suffer side effects of loss of appitite. Thats exactly whats going on here. How far fetched is my doctor gonna feel about this.

#36 (**permalink**) 11-10-2008, 01:47 AM

Oh man,
Sorry to inform you, but no doctor will prescribe MMJ for a condition caused by a medication that is not necessary for your survival. You could most definitely get it in CA, but the new prop. 1 in MI is intended for seriously ill patients, with life threatening conditions.
I really think MJ is alright for ADD, but also believe ADD is a manufactured illness by the psychiatric industry, all of us have a lack of attention at times, and therefore we all could fall under the category of this. Adderall is a hardcore drug analagous to cocaine, it is classified as an amphetamine, and if you really don't want to be using it for the rest of your life, it will wreak havoc on your liver, cardiovascular health, not to mention the side effects. Just don't think a little increased focus are worth a lifetime of pills man. You can consciously increase your attention span without drugs, but if need be, go for it.

Hebrew man · #37 (**permalink**) 11-10-2008, 05:30 AM

I really cant argue with any of what you said. I believe that you are right about the manufactured illness part. I see an ADD specialist who has no problem writing me bulk prescriptions of adderall 2 times a year so to me i dont believe pot will be any worse and i think he knows that too. The law said something about doctors not having to answer to the courts or incurr any profensional loss based on a reccomendation. It also states the doctor just has to make a profesional judgement on weather or not the drug will have a benifitial use. All im saying, is that if doctors are the so called "Gatekeepers" of MMJ, dont they have discretionary authority on what "They" feel is just? Also, seeing as you feel these doctors are already treating a phantom disorder doesnt that mean that treatment for it could be almost anything?

Sparky73 · #38 (**permalink**) 11-10-2008, 11:33 PM

I know california (and a few other states) have already had this law for a while.. and what I'm wondering now is, because there will be Marijuana in the State legally, do you think it will be more easily accessable then before? In the terms of many people who buy it illegally will have more/easily access to it?

I smoke Marijuana, but it's not for 'Severe Illness". One reason is.. I like it. I'm not into any other drugs, I just like sitting back and having a little fun from time to time. Mainly it's just me and my girlfriend watchin a movie or something. Second reason is for my pains and depression. Depression was not caused by pot. I had some really bad anger outbreaks which resulted in Depression. I was on Wellbutrin XL, but can't afford $400 a month without insurance. For pains.. I work construction and very often I come home with sore knee's and lower back pain.

Basically, is this going to be easier to get it 'illegally' now? What would happen to Street Prices?

Hebrew man · #39 (**permalink**) 11-11-2008, 12:40 AM

I defenetly think it will be more accessable now. Proposal 1 was just another step toward finding out more information about pot. If you smoke now, then chances are your going to know at least one of your friends who will either becomes a cultivator or a registerd "Qualified patiant". When a few select people you know have 12 trees of super funk you know that more than likely your going to be smoking for free or at least paying a very reasonable amount. The more marijuana in michigan = easyer access = more people trying it. i believe that marijuana can be used as a positive tool if you choose it to be.

Why should I, as a college student go to jail because i use a substance that actually has documented benifits to me.

peanutbutter · #40 (**permalink**) 11-11-2008, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparky73

I know california (and a few other states) have already had this law for a while.. and what I'm wondering now is, because there will be Marijuana in the State legally, do you think it will be more easily accessable then before? In the terms of many people who buy it illegally will have more/easily access to it?

I smoke Marijuana, but it's not for 'Severe Illness". One reason is.. I like it. I'm not into any other drugs, I just like sitting back and having a little fun from time to time. Mainly it's just me and my girlfriend watchin a movie or something. Second reason is for my pains and depression. Depression was not caused by pot. I had some really bad anger outbreaks which resulted in Depression. I was on Wellbutrin XL, but can't afford $400 a month without insurance. For pains.. I work construction and very often I come home with sore knee's and lower back pain.

Basically, is this going to be easier to get it 'illegally' now? What would happen to Street Prices?

You would probably qualify under the new law. All you would need is for a doctor to state they believe you would receive benefit from your often sever pain with it.

Here are some details:
http://www.qualifyingpatient.com/

chris1656 · #41 (**permalink**) 11-11-2008, 03:57 PM

hi i am just wondering if i would qualify i have them small petty maul sezuires where i fall to the ground and get back up i take depakote and it has been destroying my short term memory do you think medical would help at all.

GoldenGoblin · #42 (**permalink**) 11-13-2008, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris1656

hi i am just wondering if i would qualify i have them small petty maul sezuires where i fall to the ground and get back up i take depakote and it has been destroying my short term memory do you think medical would help at all.

A doctor would know if it would benefit you. After December 4th or when Michigan ratifies the election you can probably ask him about it then.

DroDro · #43 (**permalink**) 11-13-2008, 12:42 AM

im thinking of waiting a few months then going to my doc and try to get a card for asthma ill just explain use of a vaporizer and know all my facts

think itll work?

DaPharaoh · #44 (**permalink**) 11-13-2008, 02:05 AM

no chance, its not like cali's laws. but if you try to be a caregiver for someone you can grow weed and smoke your own stuff and they cant stop you. but there is no way you will get a card to smoke for asthma.

peanutbutter · #45 (**permalink**) 11-13-2008, 02:25 PM

No one has to wait to talk to their doctor.

The doctor doesn't have to write the recommendation for you to be protected. All that has to take place is for the doctor to write it into your medical record.

At that moment you are covered by the new law.

What conditions are covered? Anything at all that your doctor feels makes sense.

By "makes sense" I mean that the condition is "serious" and you are likely to get benefit from marijuana.

It's best to get the exact wording from the folks at http://www.qualifyingpatiants.org or http://www.woolmill.com/michigan%20m...imdmjindex.htm

They are trying to put out a set of forms and procedures that would make it so that doctors would not be required to testify in court or have to go before the board for you.

Doctors are concerned about their practices and licenses. The DEA issues licenses to doctors to prescribe drugs. They fear that the DEA will yank their licenses if they recommend marijuana to their patients. One of the main reasons that doctors fear this is that the DEA used to do threaten doctors with just that.

However since a 2006 supreme court ruling, the DEA stopped doing that. The supreme court ruled that states can set accepted medical practice. That ruling was to protect doctors from just such a threat.

Yes, the DEA can yank a doctors license if the doctor over prescribes. But that would involve much more than just a single case.

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#31 (permalink) 11-09-2008, 04:17 AM
DaPharaoh Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 107	Re: Michigan Medical Marijuana Info AFD or anyone else on this thread planing on being a caregiver, how did you find your patients? my grandparents know alot of people that have cancer or something that would make them eligble. i was thinking of asking them if any of their friends were thinking of getting prescribed. besides that though i have no idea how i could find anyone to grow for. any suggestions? __________________ DaPharaoh

#33 (permalink) 11-09-2008, 06:13 AM
DaPharaoh Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 107	Re: Michigan Medical Marijuana Info that be tight to grow for your grandma, you live in michigan right? __________________ DaPharaoh

#34 (permalink) 11-09-2008, 07:50 AM
Planters Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Michigan Medical Marijuana Info Hey malapickle, I'm assuming you are also a fellow Spartan? I graduated from there last year. Anyway I am in the same boat as you; I'm planning on starting a home care service if the whole caregiver title can be applied to anyone (considering they meet the specified criteria such as no prior drug offenses, clean criminal background, etc.). Just wondering on that your thoughts are on possibly discussing this further, maybe partner up if things work out. I put an ad on craigs list and a ton of people have already sent my their resumes so I need to get this project moving. The ad on craigslist and it reads: Primary Caregivers needed for Grassroots Organization (Detroit, MI) (Detroit) Reply to: job-911051828@craigslist.org [?] Date: 2008-11-08, 3:16PM EST As you all know, Nov.4th was a victory for people all across the United States. In addition to electing a great president, Michigan has passed a proposal which would allow those suffering with severe illnesses such as , Cancer, Hepatitis C, Crohn's disease,HIV/AIDS, Alzheimers, multiple sclerosis and the like, to gain relief through the use of medical marijuana. Unfortunately, many of these patients will still have to go through drug dealers, as there will not be dispensaries/distributors in Michigan as there are in California. However, Section G of Proposal 1 states: (g) “Primary caregiver” means a person who is at least 21 years old and who has agreed to assist with a patient’s medical use of marijuana and who has never been convicted of a felony involving illegal drugs." (2) for each registered qualifying patient who has specified that the primary caregiver will be allowed under state law to cultivate marijuana for the qualifying patient, 12 marijuana plants kept in an enclosed, locked facility. (c) “Enclosed, locked facility” means a closet, room, or other enclosed area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient. Therefore we are looking to provide a safe and affordable way for patients to gain access to the medicine they need. This would involve starting a growing operation. We are going to be a non-profit organization dedicated to providing marijuana to patients, not a business looking to profit. We simply need to build a base of caregivers and patients. If you are a caregiver or patient and have any questions/comments feel free to contact. Also looking for anyone interested in Marketing the Home Care Company that we will be starting.

#35 (permalink) 11-10-2008, 01:35 AM
Hebrew man Jungle Brother Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 25	Re: Michigan Medical Marijuana Info Ok, so i have ADD, have had it since i was 8 years old and have had the same doctor for over 10 years. Im currently prescribed adderall which has a side effect of severe loss of appitite. I have been smoking weed the last few years while taking adderall for increased focus and attention. Should i bring this up to my doctor? I do feel that mariujana has favorable effects on me due to this. The law states a doctor may prescribe MMJ to patiants who suffer side effects of loss of appitite. Thats exactly whats going on here. How far fetched is my doctor gonna feel about this.

#36 (permalink) 11-10-2008, 01:47 AM
Planters Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Michigan Medical Marijuana Info Oh man, Sorry to inform you, but no doctor will prescribe MMJ for a condition caused by a medication that is not necessary for your survival. You could most definitely get it in CA, but the new prop. 1 in MI is intended for seriously ill patients, with life threatening conditions. I really think MJ is alright for ADD, but also believe ADD is a manufactured illness by the psychiatric industry, all of us have a lack of attention at times, and therefore we all could fall under the category of this. Adderall is a hardcore drug analagous to cocaine, it is classified as an amphetamine, and if you really don't want to be using it for the rest of your life, it will wreak havoc on your liver, cardiovascular health, not to mention the side effects. Just don't think a little increased focus are worth a lifetime of pills man. You can consciously increase your attention span without drugs, but if need be, go for it.

#37 (permalink) 11-10-2008, 05:30 AM
Hebrew man Jungle Brother Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 25	Re: Michigan Medical Marijuana Info I really cant argue with any of what you said. I believe that you are right about the manufactured illness part. I see an ADD specialist who has no problem writing me bulk prescriptions of adderall 2 times a year so to me i dont believe pot will be any worse and i think he knows that too. The law said something about doctors not having to answer to the courts or incurr any profensional loss based on a reccomendation. It also states the doctor just has to make a profesional judgement on weather or not the drug will have a benifitial use. All im saying, is that if doctors are the so called "Gatekeepers" of MMJ, dont they have discretionary authority on what "They" feel is just? Also, seeing as you feel these doctors are already treating a phantom disorder doesnt that mean that treatment for it could be almost anything? Last edited by Hebrew man; 11-10-2008 at 05:33 AM.

#38 (permalink) 11-10-2008, 11:33 PM
Sparky73 Blazed and Confused Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 227	Re: Michigan Medical Marijuana Info I know california (and a few other states) have already had this law for a while.. and what I'm wondering now is, because there will be Marijuana in the State legally, do you think it will be more easily accessable then before? In the terms of many people who buy it illegally will have more/easily access to it? I smoke Marijuana, but it's not for 'Severe Illness". One reason is.. I like it. I'm not into any other drugs, I just like sitting back and having a little fun from time to time. Mainly it's just me and my girlfriend watchin a movie or something. Second reason is for my pains and depression. Depression was not caused by pot. I had some really bad anger outbreaks which resulted in Depression. I was on Wellbutrin XL, but can't afford $400 a month without insurance. For pains.. I work construction and very often I come home with sore knee's and lower back pain. Basically, is this going to be easier to get it 'illegally' now? What would happen to Street Prices? __________________ Custom Beer Pong Table - Build (Finished Results coming Soon!) Last edited by Sparky73; 11-10-2008 at 11:37 PM.

#39 (permalink) 11-11-2008, 12:40 AM
Hebrew man Jungle Brother Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 25	Re: Michigan Medical Marijuana Info I defenetly think it will be more accessable now. Proposal 1 was just another step toward finding out more information about pot. If you smoke now, then chances are your going to know at least one of your friends who will either becomes a cultivator or a registerd "Qualified patiant". When a few select people you know have 12 trees of super funk you know that more than likely your going to be smoking for free or at least paying a very reasonable amount. The more marijuana in michigan = easyer access = more people trying it. i believe that marijuana can be used as a positive tool if you choose it to be. Why should I, as a college student go to jail because i use a substance that actually has documented benifits to me.

#41 (permalink) 11-11-2008, 03:57 PM
chris1656 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1	Re: Michigan Medical Marijuana Info hi i am just wondering if i would qualify i have them small petty maul sezuires where i fall to the ground and get back up i take depakote and it has been destroying my short term memory do you think medical would help at all.

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DroDro Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Saginaw MI Posts: 2	Re: Michigan Medical Marijuana Info im thinking of waiting a few months then going to my doc and try to get a card for asthma ill just explain use of a vaporizer and know all my facts think itll work?

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#44 (permalink) 11-13-2008, 02:05 AM
DaPharaoh Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 107	Re: Michigan Medical Marijuana Info no chance, its not like cali's laws. but if you try to be a caregiver for someone you can grow weed and smoke your own stuff and they cant stop you. but there is no way you will get a card to smoke for asthma. __________________ DaPharaoh

#45 (permalink) 11-13-2008, 02:25 PM
peanutbutter Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 327	Re: Michigan Medical Marijuana Info No one has to wait to talk to their doctor. The doctor doesn't have to write the recommendation for you to be protected. All that has to take place is for the doctor to write it into your medical record. At that moment you are covered by the new law. What conditions are covered? Anything at all that your doctor feels makes sense. By "makes sense" I mean that the condition is "serious" and you are likely to get benefit from marijuana. It's best to get the exact wording from the folks at http://www.qualifyingpatiants.org or http://www.woolmill.com/michigan%20m...imdmjindex.htm They are trying to put out a set of forms and procedures that would make it so that doctors would not be required to testify in court or have to go before the board for you. Doctors are concerned about their practices and licenses. The DEA issues licenses to doctors to prescribe drugs. They fear that the DEA will yank their licenses if they recommend marijuana to their patients. One of the main reasons that doctors fear this is that the DEA used to do threaten doctors with just that. However since a 2006 supreme court ruling, the DEA stopped doing that. The supreme court ruled that states can set accepted medical practice. That ruling was to protect doctors from just such a threat. Yes, the DEA can yank a doctors license if the doctor over prescribes. But that would involve much more than just a single case.