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Old 09-16-2003, 07:47 AM
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Post First Tokers Of Health Canada Cannabis Call It Disgusting, Want Money Back

URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n1390/a04.html

Pubdate: Mon, 15 Sep 2003
Source: Canadian Press (Canada Wire)
Copyright: 2003 Canadian Press
Author: Dean Beeby, Canadian Press
Also: Photos of both Health Canada's "shwag" and the medical grade cannabis
supplied by compassion clubs, along with other research data can be found
at http://safeaccess.ca/research/HCvsVICSpics.htm
Bookmark: http://www.mapinc.org/mmjcn.htm (Cannabis - Medicinal - Canada)

FIRST TOKERS OF HEALTH CANADA CANNABIS CALL IT DISGUSTING, WANT MONEY BACK

OTTAWA (CP) - Some of the first patients to smoke Health Canada's
government-approved marijuana say it's "disgusting" and want their money back.

"It's totally unsuitable for human consumption," said Jim Wakeford, 58, an
AIDS patient in Gibsons, B.C. "It gave me a slight buzziness for about
three to five minutes, and that was it. I got no other effect from it."

Barrie Dalley, a 52-year-old Toronto man who uses marijuana to combat the
nausea associated with AIDS, said the Health Canada dope actually made him
sick to his stomach.

"I threw up," Dalley said Monday. "It made me nauseous because I had to use
so much of it. It was so weak in potency that I really threw up."

Both men are returning their 30-gram bags, and Dalley is demanding his
money back - $150 plus taxes. Wakeford is returning his unpaid bill for two
of the bags with a letter of complaint.

A third AIDS patient says he's also unhappy with the product, which is
supposed to contain 10.2 per cent THC, the main active ingredient.

"I'm still smoking it - I would prefer better, but it's all I've got," said
Jari Dvorak, 62, in Toronto. "I think Health Canada certainly should do
better with the quality."

All three are among 10 patients who have registered with Health Canada to
buy dope directly from the government to alleviate their medical symptoms.
Another 39 applications are pending.

The department was compelled to begin direct distribution in July,
following an Ontario court order this year that said needy patients should
not be forced to get their cannabis on the streets or from authorized
growers, who themselves obtain seeds or cuttings illegally.

The marijuana is being grown for Health Canada deep underground in a vacant
mine section in Flin Flon, Man., by Prairie Plant Systems on a
$5.75-million contract. The department originally intended that the product
go first to accredited researchers to demonstrate whether or not cannabis
is medically effective.

Health Minister Anne McLellan has said she opposes the direct distribution
of government cannabis to patients and that the program will end if the
department wins its appeal of the Ontario court decision.

The government dope also came under fire Monday from Canadians for Safe
Access, a patients' rights group that is pressing for supplies of safe,
effective marijuana.

Laboratory tests indicate the Health Canada product has only about three
per cent THC - not the 10.2 per cent advertised - and contains contaminants
such as lead and arsenic, said spokesman Philippe Lucas of Victoria.

"This particular product wouldn't hold a candle to street level cannabis,"
he said in an interview.

But Lucas declined to identify the three labs that did the testing, other
than to indicate they're in Vancouver, saying he fears the facilities might
suffer repercussions from Health Canada because they were not authorized to
possess the cannabis.

He also would not say how the group obtained the sample of government dope.

A spokeswoman for Health Canada said the department can't accept laboratory
findings from anonymous facilities.

"We question the validity of the test results because Canadians for Safe
Access has been unwilling to reveal who did the testing, and when the
testing was done, and under what conditions," said Krista Apse.

She said the Flin Flon cannabis had to meet exacting production standards
and was thoroughly tested for its quality.

No patients have complained directly to Health Canada so far, Apse said,
and the department will not accept returns or provide refunds.

Lucas, who smokes marijuana to cope with his hepatitis C infection, said
the lab results also showed that the cannabis provided at a Victoria
compassion club for patients registers at more than 12 per cent and is
freer from contaminants.

He said the government cannabis was too finely ground up with stems and
leaves, calling it "shwag" or "bunk," street terminology for the lowest
grade of marijuana.

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[below is the press release distributed early Monday morning that resulted
in the media attention]

* Health Canada Cannabis Exposed! *

Health Canada Cannabis Weak, Non-Organic, and Potentially
Unsafe

Medical Users Deserve Better, Says Canadians for Safe
Access

Two weeks ago Health Canada began supplying cannabis to a handful of
licensed medicinal users. As a public health initiative, Canadians
for Safe Access (www.safeaccess.ca) - a grassroots, patients' rights
organization - has tested a sample of the Health Canada cannabis for
safety and potency. In order to get a balanced assessment, CSA also
tested a comparative sample of organic therapeutic cannabis cultivated
by the Vancouver Island Compassion Society (www.thevics.com). The
results of these tests are disconcerting, though not entirely surprising.

CSA was appalled by the appearance of the supposedly medical-grade
product[i]. In order to meet the arbitrary Health Canada requirement
that the cannabis not exceed 10% THC, Prairie Plant Systems - the
federally appointed cannabis cultivator - has combined the flowering
tops of their plants with the stems and lower leaves. This diluted
product is ground up for the purpose of homogeneity, and then
sterilized using gamma irradiation. This technique remains so
controversial due to safety concerns that it has never been used on
foodstuffs in North America[ii]. In addition, cannabinoid testing
indicates that the Health Canada product is well under 5% THC (3.0%),
while the VICS cannabis tested at over 12% THC (12.7%). Accordingly,
patients would have to smoke far less of the VICS cannabis in order to
get relief of their symptoms.

Furthermore, CSA has concerns about the use of chemical phosphate
fertilizers in the cultivation process itself, as these have been
linked to the development of carcinogenic compounds in food and
tobacco[iii]. Heavy metal testing has revealed that levels of arsenic
in the government sample more than double that of the VICS
cannabis[iv]; higher levels of lead were also detected. Biological
testing has revealed that although both samples appear to be free of
dangerous biological contaminants, the irradiated Health Canada
product had 10X more colony forming units (CFUs) than the VICS organic
cannabis.[v]

"Considering that this is a medicine, it's negligent that safer
cultivation techniques weren't employed. Our government is spending
over $5 million dollars to produce cannabis that couldn't hold a
candle to the average street marijuana," says Philippe Lucas, Director
of the Canadians for Safe Access and a legal user of medicinal
cannabis. "Sadly, this poor-quality product will be used in Health
Canada's anemic research program. This is yet another sign of the
total disregard being shown for thousands of critically and
chronically ill Canadians who need immediate access to a safe supply
of therapeutic cannabis."

Canadians for Safe Access feels that Health Canada and the Office of
Cannabis Medical Access has completely mishandled this important
program from day one, a sentiment echoed by the courts and the
Canadian Medical Association. Meanwhile, Canada's network of
compassion societies continues to help over 5000 Canadians gain access
to a safe and diverse supply of therapeutic cannabis at no cost to the
taxpayer. Unlike the Health Canada program, distribution through
these clubs is safe, affordable, and has a high degree of support from
both therapeutic users and the public.

"It's high time for Minister McLellan to acknowledge Health Canada's
total failure and ineptitude in its handling of therapeutic cannabis
research, distribution, and cultivation," states Lucas. "Canada's
critically and chronically ill deserve much better from Health Canada;
we need a safe and affordable supply of medicinal cannabis right now."

Canadians for Safe Access Contacts:

Western Canada:

Philippe Lucas 250-884-9821

Rielle Capler 604-875-0214

Eric Nash 250-748-8614

Central Canada:

Dom Cramer 416-896-3240

Alison Myrden 905-681-8287

Eastern Canada:

Debbie Stultz-Giffin 902-665-2355

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[i] see exclusive, never-published high-resolution pictures of the
Health Canada and VICS cannabis as well as the cannabinoid test
results at: http://safeaccess.ca/research/HCvsVICSpics.htm

[ii] See: http://www.organicconsumers.org/Irra...references.rtf for
potential dangers of irradiation.

[iii] For information on the dangers of chemical phosphate fertilizers
compared to organic sources of phosphorous, see:
http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2673.html

[iv] The Health Canada cannabis tested at 2ppm of arsenic vs. less
than 1ppm in the VICS cannabis.

[v] See test results and charts at:
http://safeaccess.ca/research/HCvsVICSpics.htm
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god damn government, always gotta fuck with a good thing i'd be takin that shit back too.
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no suprise there, keep it illegal and let the good green flow.

where there's a public want it will always be here.
why don't they take the dam's approach.
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Heh, isn't the Canadian medical marijuana imported from the US? LOL
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is it legal to grow your own though?
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Heh, isn't the Canadian medical marijuana imported from the US? LOL

i dont know for a fact but id assume canadas medical weed is from canada, not only would canada be breaking us laws by imported weed over the boarder but theres plenty of weed grown right in canada im sure theres no need to go to the us break their laws and travel it back over.... If this medical mairjuana program is run by the candian govenment then the usa isnt involved in any way cause medical weed is still legal under federal laws in the us
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i read an article i believe is related to this where the canadian gov. is growing the medical marijuana in an old mine shaft, where the soil is poison the water is poison ( high in levels of lead and and ?) and they are also using chemicals instead of organic material for fertilization,probably not the best thing for the patients who do not need more poisons added to their bodies. makes me wonder why?
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