barack obama

[HD p1ss jug]

Salvial,good point. The constitution has been turned into an abortion of amendments. I believe Ron Paul is a Strict Constructionist. Basically if its not in the Constitution its not against the law. Obviously this is the real issue. The law of the land is set forth in a constitution. Im voting Obama.

...(Wiki)The Strict Constructionist approach to interpreting the Constitution, insists on the literal meaning of a provision in the face of contrary claims that the text must mean more or less than it expressly says. This approach appeals to the promises of simplicity and determinacy. For example, Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black insisted that the First Amendment's command that "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech" meant exactly that, "no law."
Strict Construction's simplicity and its determinacy, however, can also be liabilities. Provisions of a text, when read as units in isolation, can be rigid. Reading sentences of the Constitution in isolation, in the name of a "strict construction", can leave questions about whether the meaning of the text at issue can be interpreted without context. Continuing with the above example, although Justice Black would have said that "no law" can be passed abridging the freedom of speech, he certainly would not sensibly have said that treason was protected speech, or that shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater was protected speech

[HD p1ss jug]

Im voting Obama because he is black, I do not fail to see some of the irony's of the situation. So in the worlds eye I think we have the opportunity to wake up in 08. as a country we must bring our spending down; We need to relax our posture of world domination through global influence, of the corporate complex. This is a grass roots endeavor that will require change on the part of all of us. As inflation(not supply and demand related) pushes the price of a gallon of milk higher maybe 8$ for a 1/2gal of the Organic stuff, and bread becomes scarce simply because you cant afford the bread on the shelf. We will see change. So we must break the cycle of corporate destruction. I think Obama will temper the system. If not rain in the right to be free from enemies from afar and all enemies with in. Be ware of false PROFITS.

[joe Biggs]

bob barr.

[sensimil]

Originally Posted by Hankrnot

Did anyone see the video where Barack said "I think our marijuana laws need to be reexamined. I am not for legalization but decriminalization"?

>> Barack Obama, U.S. Senator (D-IL), stated in a Mar. 22, 2008 interview with Gary Nelson, Editorial page editor for the Oregon newspaper Mail Tribune:

"When it comes to medical marijuana, I have more of a practical view than anything else. My attitude is that if it's an issue of doctors prescribing medical marijuana as a treatment for glaucoma or as a cancer treatment, I think that should be appropriate because there really is no difference between that and a doctor prescribing morphine or anything else. I think there are legitimate concerns in not wanting to allow people to grow their own or start setting up mom and pop shops because at that point it becomes fairly difficult to regulate.

I'm not familiar with all the details of the initiative that was passed [in Oregon] and what safeguards there were in place, but I think the basic concept that using medical marijuana in the same way, with the same controls as other drugs prescribed by doctors, I think that's entirely appropriate.

I would not punish doctors if it's prescribed in a way that is appropriate. That may require some changes in federal law. I will tell you that...the likelihood of that being real high on my list is not likely. What I'm not going to be doing is using Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws on this issue simply because I want folks to be investigating violent crimes and potential terrorism. We've got a lot of things for our law enforcement officers to deal with."

He did change his POV since March a few months back which he wasnt pro or con, here more recently he seems to be taking a more progressive stance.

Heres a video,
http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs...04/-1/NEWS0802
-5:05 into to it is him speaking on medical marijuana

[pinball wizard]

Originally Posted by SavageWFB

RON PAUL IS FOR COMPLETE LEGALIZATION!!!

do some research..
he wants to take all non-violent weed offenders out of jail..
an legalize it completely..
obama is trash..
he sucks..
so much crap surrounding him..
RON PAUL IS THE MAN TO VOTE FOR!!!

There is great and realistic, and there is wonderful/ideal, and impossible. Obama is the former.

[greentooth]

even if marijuana was legalized by any of the candidates, our country is still going to shit.
move the the netherlands.

[SugarSpots]

Originally Posted by greentooth

even if marijuana was legalized by any of the candidates, our country is still going to shit.
move the the netherlands.

Word up.
I have no hopes of total legalization for recreational use ever. I would really love to see decriminalization though, and while I don't think this next administration will help or make any changes, I feel that the climate towards drug use and researching psychedelics has a positive future- the fact we multiple candidates this time around that are open about their views on marijuana shows this. We just can't support our war on drugs or terror, the benefits are few, and the cost is insurmountable.

[SeeHarlie]

I see so many people toting the Ron Paul banner that it's ridiculous. Sure, I might agree with some of his views on foreign policy and with parts of legalization, but that doesn't sell a candidate for me.

The irony of the situation is hilarious. So many people regard Ron Paul as this agent for change, more so than Obama. But he's an ultra conservative, a lot of his change is backwards oriented. This is a guy who favors us going back to the gold standard here.

I'm not saying Obama is all that and a bag of chips, I'm just saying people need to be looking at candidates closer and being more informed. Don't just start saying that there's going to be a draft if either McCain or Obama get into office and bail ship the moment you're asked to bring in some backing information.

And face it, Ron Paul won't be ever be elected president. Even if he was he would be dead in the water. You think Congress would agree with him on anything?

[Bendito]

Originally Posted by SavageWFB

ive done alot of research on him..
if obama gets elected there is a good chance of a draft..
if mccain gets elected there is without a doubt gonna be a draft..
i aint fight no ones war man..
ron paul is the only way..

Read up man. I was just watching a debate the other day and Mccain said if he is elected he plans to have troops out by 2012

[researchscience]

I think he switched his views on legalization. IL has worse cannabis laws then arizona.

[Bendito]

yeah.. i live in IL

[HoosierIVXX]

First off. Always trust a former stoner

Even if he did ride the white lady every once in awhile in college too.

To the kid who thinks there'll be a draft. Ha fat chance. Barring World War 3, there is no other circumstance that could bring about a draft. Why? Not only would it be insanely unpopular politically, a president cannot make unilateral proclamations like that. He can use signing statements, but he can't institute the draft by himself. In addition, and much more practically, there Army would not even want a draft. Why? It brings down morale. There is a huge advantage to an all volunteer force versus a conscripted one. Whats better four guys who asked to play on your basketball team at recess, or if you went inside your school and drew names out of a hat to play with you.

[vc77]

Originally Posted by Bendito

Read up man. I was just watching a debate the other day and Mccain said if he is elected he plans to have troops out by 2012

Not quite. It was more of a premonition. His exact words:

"So, what I want to do today is take a little time to describe what I would hope to have achieved at the end of my first term as President. I cannot guarantee I will have achieved these things. I am presumptuous enough to think I would be a good President, but not so much that I believe I can govern by command. Should I forget that, Congress will, of course, hasten to remind me. The following are conditions I intend to achieve. And toward that end, I will focus all the powers of the office; every skill and strength I possess; and seize every opportunity to work with members of Congress who put the national interest ahead of partisanship, and any country in the world that shares our hopes for a more peaceful and prosperous world.

By January 2013, America has welcomed home most of the servicemen and women who have sacrificed terribly so that America might be secure in her freedom. The Iraq War has been won. Iraq is a functioning democracy, although still suffering from the lingering effects of decades of tyranny and centuries of sectarian tension. Violence still occurs, but it is spasmodic and much reduced. Civil war has been prevented; militias disbanded; the Iraqi Security Force is professional and competent; al Qaeda in Iraq has been defeated; and the Government of Iraq is capable of imposing its authority in every province of Iraq and defending the integrity of its borders. The United States maintains a military presence there, but a much smaller one, and it does not play a direct combat role.

The threat from a resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan has been greatly reduced but not eliminated. U.S. and NATO forces remain there to help finish the job, and continue operations against the remnants of al Qaeda. The Government of Pakistan has cooperated with the U.S. in successfully adapting the counterinsurgency tactics that worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan to its lawless tribal areas where al Qaeda fighters are based. The increase in actionable intelligence that the counterinsurgency produced led to the capture or death of Osama bin Laden, and his chief lieutenants. There is no longer any place in the world al Qaeda can consider a safe haven. Increased cooperation between the United States and its allies in the concerted use of military, diplomatic, and economic power and reforms in the intelligence capabilities of the United States has disrupted terrorist networks and exposed plots around the world. There still has not been a major terrorist attack in the United States since September 11, 2001." REF: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-t...n_of_2013.html


Want some more of his EXACT words?

At a town hall meeting in New Hampshire:

Q: President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years — (cut off by McCain)


McCAIN: Make it a hundred.


Q: Is that … (cut off)


McCAIN: We’ve been in South Korea … we’ve been in Japan for 60 years. We’ve been in South Korea 50 years or so. That would be fine with me. As long as Americans …


Q: [tries to say something]


McCAIN: As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed. That’s fine with me, I hope that would be fine with you, if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Queada is training and equipping and recruiting and motivating people every single day.




We'll be there for a hundred years as long as Americans aren't being hurt. However, we'll spend as many years, funds, resources, and lives as it takes to get there. Nothing about 2013 but a dream. There is no outline or withdrawl scheme, because he's trying to make sure we DON'T leave Iraq. As long as he can scare Appalachia and Ohio and Florida into believing that "evil brown men" are going to shoebomb their plane he can get the votes. People want hope, people want change, but they trust fear. They CLING to fear.

Conservative philosophy is the ABSOLUTE reason cannabis is still prohibited. America has 5% of the worlds population, yet 20% of the worlds prisoners. And who wins? The minority. The top 3% of our country's population according to income. John McCain is 500 steps backwards for any marijuana law reform activist.

[Rustymetal]

Originally Posted by SeeHarlie

I see so many people toting the Ron Paul banner that it's ridiculous. Sure, I might agree with some of his views on foreign policy and with parts of legalization, but that doesn't sell a candidate for me.

The irony of the situation is hilarious. So many people regard Ron Paul as this agent for change, more so than Obama. But he's an ultra conservative, a lot of his change is backwards oriented. This is a guy who favors us going back to the gold standard here.

I'm not saying Obama is all that and a bag of chips, I'm just saying people need to be looking at candidates closer and being more informed. Don't just start saying that there's going to be a draft if either McCain or Obama get into office and bail ship the moment you're asked to bring in some backing information.

And face it, Ron Paul won't be ever be elected president. Even if he was he would be dead in the water. You think Congress would agree with him on anything?

LOL of course it would be hard to get Paul elected, he is a honest politician that does not support the daily corruption that almost every politician is involved in.

Favors the gold standard, how is that a fucking joke? If I have 1 oz of gold, I can buy the same ammount of oil today as I could 8 years ago. Not the same with the US doller. The price of oil is not going up, we keep spending money we don't have because our money no longer means ANYTHING. Its a measurement od DEBT, IT HAS NO VALUE.

And oh yes you can expect the draft when we invade Iran. Even Obama bows down to the oil overloads, See his pro Iran war speeach at APIAC.

Oh and you guys are already forgetting, the war on drugs is really just a war on the bill of rights. With bush destroying our Constitution daily what do we have left really?

[HoosierIVXX]

Originally Posted by Rustymetal

LOL of course it would be hard to get Paul elected, he is a honest politician that does not support the daily corruption that almost every politician is involved in.

Favors the gold standard, how is that a fucking joke? If I have 1 oz of gold, I can buy the same ammount of oil today as I could 8 years ago. Not the same with the US doller. The price of oil is not going up, we keep spending money we don't have because our money no longer means ANYTHING. Its a measurement od DEBT, IT HAS NO VALUE.

And oh yes you can expect the draft when we invade Iran. Even Obama bows down to the oil overloads, See his pro Iran war speeach at APIAC.

Oh and you guys are already forgetting, the war on drugs is really just a war on the bill of rights. With bush destroying our Constitution daily what do we have left really?

The price of oil is absolutely going up. It is a mixture of several factors, one, supply and demand. There is a quarter more demand in the world now than ever before with rising economies in China, India, the Middle East, and developing nations around the world. If that were not bad enough you have to factor in the worlds 3rd largest currently accessible reserves in Iraq are producing at below pre-war quantities, and with one of the major fields of the world (Kirkuk in Iraq) seriously fucked up from mismanagement it's producing at even less than that.

Then you need to factor in the geo-political price for oil, which at current estimates is running at least $25-30 per barrel. That will only get worse if shit goes down with Iran (which for precisely this reason, won't). 40% of the world's oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz, or nearby it. Iran has clearly indicated it intends to hold this as a hostage.

If there was ever an attack on Iran, oil would skyrockets to $250 a barrel or more, with $10-12 a gallon gas.

A weak dollar does not help, but also you must look at the fact that OPEC's currencies are tied straight to the dollar, so that mitigates some damage.