MY FIRST BEGGINERS GROW JOURNAL-PICS, I need help from seed to harvest!

[2Lazy]

That little bit of browning could be so many things it's really not even worth worrying about. In my own garden I'd put money on a calcium, magnesium, or manganese deficiency usually by locking it up using impure water.

Stil, your plant is just fine, a little browning here and there is acceptable.

[onslaught232]

So everythings been going fine.

I realizd the brown spots were burn marks from my light bulbs.

before I had them on the side of the box, and one side dipped down touching the leave and was touching for any number of hours.

This happen again but to my other guy, and i was really pissed so both lights are now on the ceiling and im not fuckin around trying to get them closer cause they ll just tip and burn my babies.... not cool.

BUT

I gave them about 14oz of water this morning after have last watering them on Nov. 2 mid day and than I got back from classes and and it seemed like the leaves on my bigger guy started drooping downward. Or were not so pointed up as they were before.
is this normal?
chek out the pic

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let me know thanks guys!

[onslaught232]

Also...

I got these fox farm nutrients, one with NPK for vegetation, one with an NPK for flowering...

When and how do I start using these???

Its been 2.5 weeks since I've planted these babies.

[2Lazy]

You can start using the Grow Big now. I've found that the heavy feeding is good in the beginning, then slowly taper off the feedings until you're back on plain H2O at flowering. Keep an eye out for magnesium and calcium deficiencies, I've had an issue with P and K using Grow Big and have taken to adding a small amount of Earth Juice bloom to the mix.

Just give it a shot, I've yet to burn a plant with Grow Big.

[onslaught232]

Originally Posted by 2Lazy

You can start using the Grow Big now. I've found that the heavy feeding is good in the beginning, then slowly taper off the feedings until you're back on plain H2O at flowering. Keep an eye out for magnesium and calcium deficiencies, I've had an issue with P and K using Grow Big and have taken to adding a small amount of Earth Juice bloom to the mix.

Just give it a shot, I've yet to burn a plant with Grow Big.

alright sounds good, ill start using the Grow Big....

but i have no clue how to use nutrients.

this is my first ever ever grow

and i have not a clue what to do with it...

Could some one please give me step by step on how to give the plant nutrients?

I just hear thats a common way for beginners to fuck it up and I just wanna make sure I'm doing it right.

[2Lazy]

1. Pick up bottle of Grow Big
2. Spin bottle in your hand until you can see the "back" of the bottle
3. Read the instructions
4. Follow the instructions

Seriously though, it's pretty straight forward. Take a gallon of clean water, preferably filtered by reverse osmosis, or just leave some tap water uncovered for a day to evaporate most of the chlorine. Then you can mix somewhere between 1 teaspoon and 1 tablespoon worth of Grow Big into the water. Mix it up really well and saturate the soil slowly so that it doesn't just run through.

1 teaspoon is fine for a soil grow, but you might find better results closer to the 1 tablespoon range. Depends on the genes, I think, more than anything else.

Some people preach nutes every other watering, alternating pure H2O to keep the salts from building up to toxic levels. Personally I did a moderate feeding every 3 or 4 days and had GREAT success for a bit, but now I have many leaves on the test plant that took the heaviest feeding which have lots of small brown dots all over them. I'm fairly certain it's a deficiency of some kind, be it P or K or Ca, or Mg, or Mn. Laking the proper balance can cause a chain reaction that might be difficult to control, but this is a learning experience so don't expect your best grow to be the first time. Just take it slow, experiment as you can, and maybe the third of fourth grow will really benefit from your experiences with this one.

One thing to watch out for is pH. These solutions are VERY acidic, like in the 1 to 2 range, so keep an eye on your soil pH right after feeding, then a few days later to monitor the changes and to keep from stressing the plant with pockets of high acid concentrations resulting from uneven drainage.

[burntwood]

Fox Farms has a feeding chart on their site. Also that bottle of grow big is for Hydro their is a difference in the N-P-K between the two. soil grow big 6-4-4 and hydro is 3-2-6 with the higher pottasium level.

[onslaught232]

Originally Posted by burntwood

Fox Farms has a feeding chart on their site. Also that bottle of grow big is for Hydro their is a difference in the N-P-K between the two. soil grow big 6-4-4 and hydro is 3-2-6 with the higher pottasium level.

fuck so before I have to do anything. I have to buy new fox farm grow big? with a 6-4-4 N-P-K? Does it really matter?

If i got to all go buy I just want to know if its really necessary

[burntwood]

I dont know if you have to rebuy. My shop only had Hydro Grow big so I passed on it and went with Big bloom. It seems that plants like the K in the whole cycle of life. Look at the feeding charts for soil and use that. The ph should remain stable with the FF soil and nutes. You should be ok just watch for signs of to much K read up on it before it happens. No one said anything prior to me about it so give it a try I'm still learning and not a pro at this.

[onslaught232]

Alright im a huge noob, just bare with me.

So following the instructions above ill mix a gallon jug of water with these nutrients.

and its that water that i feed 14oz of to these babies every 3 days?

And as far as it goes with the nutrients, can i just stick with using the hydro grow big? the other nutes i have is the tiger bloom which is for flowering...right? I wanna start gettin these nutes in and I dont have a lot of time to drive out to this hydroponic store to get this stuff.

again im a noob i know

heres an update on picturs, the bigger guy is lookin good but some of the bottom leaves have off coloring or look a little dead. is everything ok?
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thanks guys

its my first time, and i dont want give too much or too little nutes and fuck this guy up.

[onslaught232]

I checked out the feeding scehdule
http://www.foxfarmfertilizer.com/soilfeed.pd

it's officially been 3 weeks for me, so I'm going to start using 3 tsp. as it says.

so recap,
1. leave a gallon of water out for 24hrs uncovered.
2. mix 2-3 tsp. of grow big in there, even tho is has the npk for hydro, im just gonna go with it, cool?
3. Now, my real question is how often? So i'm feeding them 14 oz water once every 3 days, and now its gonna be alternating between 14 oz of normal water and 14 oz of water mixed with my nutes? still doing it every three days until flowering?

[2Lazy]

Those troubled leaves look like they are sufferring from a deficiency, my guess is potassium. Which works out with your hydro nutes because they are super high in K.

WAIT!!! You're using the soil feeding chart for hydro nutients??? Okay, no. 6-4-4 is waaayyyyy different than 3-2-6. They also suggest 2tsp for the hydro VS 3tsp of the soil stuff. So I don't think you should go full strength with this stuff right away without first finding someone online who has experience with it. Start a little slower because your soil can still provide some nutrients to the plant and then you can ramp it up to a place you feel good about.

With that much K in the mix I'm interesed to see the results because I have 1 plant of 3 that I think has been begging me for a little more K than the other ones have and I wonder how this hydro nutrient will work supplying that nutrient.

My guess is that if you full feed the Hydro nutes you'll burn them a little. 1tsp for the first feeding, then if they respond well up it to 2tsp for the second feeding. Then use some plain water to rinse the soil a bit before going to 3tsp. When you rinse the soil make sure at least 20% of what you added flushes out the bottom. Usually about 1 liter water for a 1 gallon planter, or 1 gallon for a 5 gallon planter, but this will vary depending on drainage and retention.

[onslaught232]

Originally Posted by 2Lazy

Those troubled leaves look like they are sufferring from a deficiency, my guess is potassium. Which works out with your hydro nutes because they are super high in K.

WAIT!!! You're using the soil feeding chart for hydro nutients??? Okay, no. 6-4-4 is waaayyyyy different than 3-2-6. They also suggest 2tsp for the hydro VS 3tsp of the soil stuff. So I don't think you should go full strength with this stuff right away without first finding someone online who has experience with it. Start a little slower because your soil can still provide some nutrients to the plant and then you can ramp it up to a place you feel good about.

With that much K in the mix I'm interesed to see the results because I have 1 plant of 3 that I think has been begging me for a little more K than the other ones have and I wonder how this hydro nutrient will work supplying that nutrient.

My guess is that if you full feed the Hydro nutes you'll burn them a little. 1tsp for the first feeding, then if they respond well up it to 2tsp for the second feeding. Then use some plain water to rinse the soil a bit before going to 3tsp. When you rinse the soil make sure at least 20% of what you added flushes out the bottom. Usually about 1 liter water for a 1 gallon planter, or 1 gallon for a 5 gallon planter, but this will vary depending on drainage and retention.

2lazy, this is some really good information. But again man I am a total beginner.

I have not a clue on how to detect to much K, if it is liking or disliking the K.

Really I don't know anything your talking about, all I am looking for is directions on how to do this right.

but basically your saying, since I'm using these nutes meant for hydro, I should not put as much in each gallon?

Like, Im still not sure on how to actually feed them the nutes too
can someone tell me this is right

"1. leave a gallon of water out for 24hrs uncovered.
2. mix 2-3 tsp. of grow big in there, even tho is has the npk for hydro, im just gonna go with it, cool?
3. Now, my real question is how often? So i'm feeding them 14 oz water once every 3 days, and now its gonna be alternating between 14 oz of normal water and 14 oz of water mixed with my nutes? still doing it every three days until flowering? "

so do this, but use only one tsp. of the nutes since its meant for hydro?

I'm so confused, you guys have done this before, I know not a thing about the chemistry behind this, again I'm just looking for instructions on how to get this done.

And im not lookin to expiriment in as finding a mistake i made that ressulted in my plant dying, i put alot of time and effort in already, i wanna be able to yield somthing, please anyone who can help.

its really appreciated

[2Lazy]

Research torrents and get the "growing Marijauna" one. It contains all the books and videos you'll need to get a grasp on what is going on. It's just hard to tell someone what to do with their grow because I don't want to steer you in the wrong direction as I haven't done what you are doing.

I know you're a beginner but this stuff isn't beyond you. It's all conceptual. Just try to get an idea of how roots pull in nutrients and how plants cells take light to make energy by knocking electrons off of these ions. Plants are everywhere, just give some effort in the "how" this is happening department and the help we give you here will be fuller.

I'd go with 1oz to 2oz per gallon to start. That's a light feeding that should allow you see if the plants look happy (green, vibrant, sturdy) or sick (yellowish, spotted, droopy). If they look healthy you can up it to another oz per gallon. You can use this to water the plants every time the soil is dry. Again, this is subjective. I cannot say every 84 hours and 22 minutes you need to water. Just fill an extra planter up with some dry soil. Lift it up and get a guage of what dry soil feels like. When your planters feel light like that other planter then you should give them a good watering.

When you water just do it slowly making sure to cover all the dirt. A little bit should come out the bottom, indicating that the soil is saturated. So long as your soil drains well enough you won't drown the plants. I use a simple 50% soil 50% perlite mixture.

This is all simple stuff. Keep all the soil moist. Not always soaked, not completely dry, just moist through and through with short periods of dryish and wettish at the ends. Use your nutrients every watering if your plants seem to like it a lot. It's kind of hard for me to say after 4 feedings salts will build up and you should flush. Because it might be 40 feedings, and I just can't say. You need to educate yourself if you want to succeed. I can't understand the school of thought that I could know nothing and expect everything. Reach out into the net and use the resources available like I have.

[onslaught232]

Alright, so i talked to some other guys and learned more about the whole nutrient thing.
Went out to my local hydro shop this morning and picked up grow big 6-4-4, so im not messin around with that hydro shit anymore.

As well i picked up some soil testing kits. It has a separate tester for pH, Potash, Nitrogen, and phosophorus so i can check those whenver now.

just did a soil ph test and were lookin somewhere between 6.4-6.6, that ok?

I got a gallon of water sitting out. Im gonna mix 2 tsp. in it tonight, than water them the same 14 0z. with these nutes tmrw as well as spritz a little on the leaves.

Sound good?

Im just not likin the look of the yellow leaves on the bottom, looks like the yellowness might be spreadin to the top m