Easy Ryder - First Ever Grow

[teufelgott]

Look at those little hairs! I love it when the plants finally show. I am growing some blueryder, and they showed around day 18-19. I wish you the best of luck on your grow, ill be checking on it, looks interesting.

[intothemystic]

Hey momo,

Nice looking grow-- thanks for sharing the pics. I'm about to pick up a DR60 and am wondering how many auto plants will fit. Are you planning on LSTing or using other methods to keep it short?

My first grow is in progress, an auto Lowryder#2 and a Super Lemon Haze. They're both in 5 gallon buckets and at around 44 days from seed they're outgrowing the 3 ft wide x 2 ft deep x 5 ft tall box.

The LR2 is much bigger than I was expecting, it's about 18" from the bucket rim and more than 24" wide. It's smashing up against the wall on one side and the Lemon Haze on the other.

My friend is growing the same LR2 from the same order but using smaller pots (2 gal). We're using the same soil (FFOF) and lights (130w CFL on each plant). His plants are much smaller, which makes sense given the pot sizes, but I'm wondering what this means in terms of yield. Is it better to grow 2 or 3 smaller plants, or 1 bigger one?

I just sprouted an Easy Ryder and it will go into the DR60 when the LR2 is done, so I'll definitely be following your grow. Hope everything works out great for you.

Pic: LR2 on left, SLH on right.

[momo]

Hey Mystic,

As it's my first grow and from what I've read there's not too much use in LST'ing the ER's, would love to see some real life examples where that works.

That Lowryder of yours looks great, but like you say I don't think you could get many pots that size in a DR60 so it's all about one big ER or 3 smaller ones. I would guess although I have no experience that yield wise you will probably get more out of 3 smaller ER's than 1 big one. I'm using 2 just over 2 gallon pots (black ones) and one 2 gallon pot. I wish I'd filled them to the brim as they're a bit low within the pots and from what I've read these lowryders and crosses shoot down and out with their roots.

Like you've shown I was worried about my DR 60 and having 3 plants in there that they will fill out and squash everything, I think I maybe just OK, I'll keep on posting the pics to see how cramped it gets in there. I know how useful pics can be so feel free to ask any questions as we go along. Have you got a grow diary going? I'd love to see what you pull of the LR and SLH.

Thanks for the good luck, really hoping I can pull of an Oz or more per plant...I've got a lot of holiday booked for Dec so will puffing a fair bit and need some supplies

M

[LittleGreenMan1]

WHATS UP MOMO!

sick grow! i remember when my babies were that small (last week). now they are twice as big and full of hairs! I'll be here to give you any advice you need.


momo and mystic I did do LST on one of my dieselryders, it didnt' do much besides slow the growth. tried it for 3 weeks then i bailed. took the pins out now she is straightening up. LST just isn't a good idea with autoflower/lowlife plants!

good to see your grow though momo, i'll be watchin this one.

[intothemystic]

Originally Posted by momo

Hey Mystic,

As it's my first grow and from what I've read there's not too much use in LST'ing the ER's, would love to see some real life examples where that works.

Ah yes, momo, good point about LSTing and ERs. I've been reading so many threads and journals that my brain is melting down with information overload.

Originally Posted by momo

That Lowryder of yours looks great, but like you say I don't think you could get many pots that size in a DR60 so it's all about one big ER or 3 smaller ones. I would guess although I have no experience that yield wise you will probably get more out of 3 smaller ER's than 1 big one.

I'm leaning this way too. If I can get more seeds I'll do at least 2 ERs.

Originally Posted by momo

I'm using 2 just over 2 gallon pots (black ones) and one 2 gallon pot. I wish I'd filled them to the brim as they're a bit low within the pots and from what I've read these lowryders and crosses shoot down and out with their roots.

This is the reason I transplanted from 2 to 5 gallon pots- the roots were streaming out the bottom holes and I wasn't sure if becoming root-bound was an issue. Still not sure, actually-- I wonder how to keep the pots small and avoid root binding. Time for more research.

Originally Posted by momo

Like you've shown I was worried about my DR 60 and having 3 plants in there that they will fill out and squash everything, I think I maybe just OK, I'll keep on posting the pics to see how cramped it gets in there.

With your 250w HPS, even if the plants are crowded maybe the light will be strong enough to penetrate through the overlapping foilage.

Originally Posted by momo

I know how useful pics can be so feel free to ask any questions as we go along. Have you got a grow diary going? I'd love to see what you pull of the LR and SLH.

Thanks momo-- it's kind of you to help. I'm interested in your nutes- I fed both of my plants with about 1/4 strength Fox Farms Grow Big around week 4 and they didn't like it... burned leaves, some of the LR2 pistils turned brown and died, etc. Fortunately a good flush helped them recover, but now I'm reluctant to feed again, and just about everything I've read says that they need nutes during flowering, so.... not sure what to do. Maybe I'll try some Tiger Bloom at 1/70 strength or something

No grow diary yet but maybe I'll start one up soon. I'm curious about the yield too-- to be honest, I wasn't expecting them to even make it this far, so anything would be a bonus.

Originally Posted by momo

Thanks for the good luck, really hoping I can pull of an Oz or more per plant...I've got a lot of holiday booked for Dec so will puffing a fair bit and need some supplies

I'm sure you'll get that oz per by holiday, those HPS lights are awesome. Stay loose.

[intothemystic]

Originally Posted by LittleGreenMan1

momo and mystic I did do LST on one of my dieselryders, it didnt' do much besides slow the growth. tried it for 3 weeks then i bailed. took the pins out now she is straightening up. LST just isn't a good idea with autoflower/lowlife plants!

Hi LittleGreenMan1,

Thanks for sharing your experience with LST. Live and learn!

[momo]

Hey Mystic,

Like Littlegreenman saves above, the growth now is staggering, they're branching out and there are loads of sites with hairs! They've but on some serious growth both vertical and outwards, it's like a triplet of fat birds squeezing into a phonebox!

I'm worried that they cut all the light out but I think with some careful moving about and perhaps some tying branches in strategic positions will help out if needs be. I'll probably have to take out the humidifier in a few weeks for extra room.

I was really nervous about nutes and watering and just kept hearing experienced growers saying not to water too much so I go by the test that until it's crusty on top and pretty dry to about an inch then I don't water. The other week I had about a 5-6 day gap between watering.

In terms of nutes I added a very very little amount of grow nutes to my humidifier when I bought it but nothing else when they were seeds except for a tiny little dash of rhizotonic to the water and also some rhizotonic when I transplanted them from their little tiny cups. Since they've been in the big pots they had a watering with some very weak strength grow nutes (BioBizz) about 1.5-2ml per litre on the first feed. Second watering was about the same strength but with a tsp of molasses ber 4-5 litres.

Third watering was on Sunday and I gave them less than normal grow nutes (just a splash really) and a low strength dose of bloom nutes (again BioBizz Bloom) (about 2ml per 1 litre) and again another tsp of molasses per 4-5 litres.

I haven't noticed any bad effects yet except a few leafs had some yellow spots, but you're only talking about 3 leafs out of 3 plants, I think this may be where the leafs took the nuted water and that kind of burnt the leaf, not sure It's not worrying though as far as I can see.

I know what you mean about the roots, damn I wish I filled them to the top and given them as much earth as possible, I don't really want to look at the holes of the pots as I'm expecting to see roots poking through, just praying it doesn't stunt them too much.

I think you should be OK with some nutes, especially if you want to get a good yield, I would just go easy at first and build up...I plan if they don't show bad effects in the next week or so to slowly build up., especially on the molasses as I hear that's a good way to densen up those buds

It's so exciting this growing game, I'm just so impatient!!

P.S More pics below

M

[momo]

Day 21 Pics - 3 WEEKS IN!

Plants are growing pretty quick with what looks like loads of bud sites which is promising, packing on the height e.t.c.

Pictures getting a bit boring but good to see them develop. Can't wait to have some budporn!

Feedback appreciated.

[intothemystic]

Hi momo,

Ha--- fat birds in a phonebox indeed. Nice job, they look happy and healthy.

Thanks for the info on the nutes and watering. Maybe I'll try a low dosage of Tiger Bloom next time, along with a little molasses perhaps.

I agree with you about not getting too concerned with a burned leaf or two-- there's a tendency (at least in my case) to overreact when something looks a little off, but I guess that's inexperience plus first-grow syndrome.

Hey, the DR60 came today! I'm impressed with the quality and think it's going to work out great.

Here's a shot of the LR#2 in desperate need of side lighting and the 3-day old ER doing the stretching thing.

Good luck, have fun, keep posting pics!

[momo]

Mystic - That Lowryder is a beast! It's good having perspective with it in the Dr60 as now I can see it is massive, should hopefully get a nice yield out of that bad boy!

My DR60 is getting filled up pretty quickly, one of the plants in the back right is a fair bit taller than the other two and looks to be a few days ahead although the other two are pretty good too. Not sure if it's genetics or some other variable.

I gave the plants a water tonight, one of the problems I find is getting the water to the soil without completley soaking the leaves as they are so branchy it's hard getting down to the soil. Therefore I end up coating most of the plant with nuted/molasses water. I notice after a few hours that it looks like the sugar or nutes have dried leaving a transparent/sticky type blobs. Not to sure if this is going to be a problem....anyone with experience get this problem?? Should I not be worried or should I be careful to poor the water straight into the soil and not coat the plant?? (Logic in my brain says it shouldn't matter as out in the wild the leaves would get a good soaking, mind you out in the wild it doesn't rain molasses/biobizz rain!) I also notice a few bits of yellowing round some leaves, I think I'm being a bit paranoid but I want to try nip problems in the BUD before they develop...(see what I did there?! lol)

Day 23 pics below. Feedback always appreciated.

[momo]

Few more pics from Day 23

[intothemystic]

Hey momo,


Nice pics-- looking great! It's interesting how plants are individuals-- same conditions, different results. My friends and I are all doing LR2 right now and the variation is dramatic. Guess it's hard to pinpoint the precise variable(s) though.

I water with a long-necked watering container after a friend yelled at me for splashing the leaves and leaving craters in the soil from just dumping water in. Now I water slowly and as evenly around the plants as possible. Not sure if the sticky blobs on your leaves will hurt anything, but hopefully someone with more experience will provide feedback, on that and the yellowing leaves as well.

Had to put the LR2 back into the old crowded box. I cannot find an inline fan that's quiet enough in my price range- wow those things are noisy. In my other box I've got a Panasonic bath fan that runs at 0.3 sones and works very well. I'm using this setup: Panasonic Whisper Fan Carbon Scrubber Tutorial: Quietest most efficient fan ever! - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums

But that setup won't work in the DR60 because the whole fan and filter assembly goes inside and takes up about 16" of headroom. The LR2 is about 37" from bottom of bucket to top of plant, so that doesn't leave enough room for the lights.

Anyway, the search continues. Hopefully the LR2 will still yield okay, but it's too bad that its light is being blocked again by the neighboring plant. I felt so bad putting her back in there after her night in the luxury DR60 suite

Well I hope things continue to progress. It's funny how this hobby can be so consuming-- I was in a meeting at work yesterday and as someone was droning on about something or other, I was thinking about cloning techniques Stay strong momo.

[momo]

Mystic - Thanks for the tips on watering, I think I may take the neck off and just poor water into the soil directly but slowly and evenly as possible, the sticky blobs I mentioned seemed to have dissapeared, I think it was just some molasses water there, everything still seems healthy and they are growing now at a serious rate! Before I wasn't too concerned about height but if they keep going at this rate then 3 or 4 weeks down the line they'll be pushing up to the max headroom!

I know exactly what you mean mate about obsessing, the weekends are the worst, I should be revising for some exams instead of checking on my babies all the time. I go to bed dreaming of the yield! I went out today and purchased some nice brown paper bags from Primark in the UK as I'm going to try that method for curing as it seems do dry the buds out nice and evenly from what I've heard.

Some more pics posted below, I'm now on Day 25. Took some close ups of the side branches coming off the plants and some Loupe shots at the hairs on what will be the main cola. Starting to smell a bit also so as well as the C Filter I have I got some air freshners and gels which were cheap from Asda to try and mask any smells that might pop up in a few weeks.

Mystic - how long more are you going to give that Lowryder of yours?

Take care guys.
M

Day 25 pics....

[momo]

Forgot to attach em! Day 25

[momo]

Day 25 (more pics)