Poison Dwarf & Lowryder II-grow for seed

Strains: Lowryder II, G-13 poison dwarf

Seedbank: Attitude

Soil: Sunshine mix #1

Admendments: perlite, ewc, guano, kelp, Myco's

Container: 1-3 gal

Lights: T-8x8@30 watts each(2,000 lumens +/-)4500 kelvin; Added 250 ele. ballast 250W with a hortilux bulb in a cool tube.

Grow Box: a bit smaller than 3'x2'x3'; (its more like 5 sq ft); light's ballasts are situated on the outside of the box; (started with): one 4" intake fan down low, and 4" up high on opp. side of box. Added small fan at the bottom, bought 6" fan for cool tube(intake) used intake 4" from bottom added to exhaust side of cool tube.

Started(sprouted): may 20, 100% germ.(took 3 days, directly in soil) in sq. 1 qt. containers

#'s: 6 LR, and 6 PD

Temps./humidity: Avg. 73f/45-50%H lights on for the first 3 weeks. 70f lights off. Now: Avg. 77f/40-45%H lights on, 70f lights off. Max temp. 81f*(measured at root zone)So up to 83-86f at tops.max avg. temps in ROOM are 71F

Problems/Mistakes: should have used T-5's over T-8, should have switched to more light at beginnin of week 3. T-8's @ 3' only come in 4500 kelvin!!(shit) so, should have sarted with 6500 kel.
Temps and humidity could have been better. Prob. stunted growth by at least 2-3 days worth of growth.

Light schedule: 18/6; day 36 switched to 15/9(in hopes of speeding things up a bit...just care about the seeds!)

Pic is at day 7

 

At day 14

 

Day 21; most have shown sex, cut out the LR males; ratio is 1:1

 

Day 28, 2 "freaks" .....3 lr fems and 3 PD's fems....smell has been an issue since week 2, the lr's smell like a skunk wiped his ass with the leaves, PD's have virt. no smell. have plug ins thru out the house and a device that sprays an aerosol at 9 min. intervals. you can still smell the plants

cool tube and light ballast, had no idea elec./digi ballasts run both MH and HPS...very cool.

 

some pics from days 21 and 28 are mixed up in the last 2 posts...my bad. heres day 36(for sure) the f'ed up leaves are from my one gal PD that i put my local bat guano into...obviously not as potent as my others. pic 4 is of a Dutch Master liquid sunshine drench. the seeds however in the f'ed up PD are further along in their stage of development.

 

http://forum.grasscity.com/attachments/organic-growing/234177d1246131022-ready-feed-top-img_0170.jpg is good pic of day 36...wouldnt let me post it again?? whatever. best LR fem, had to train, is roughly 24" tall.

 

some more pics

used 2 Poison Dwarf males for pollination; the idea is to breed out the pungent smell if at all possible....and yah yah this could take generations to acheive, but....

pic 5 is of PD fem that has some funked up leaves....which reminds me, putting 2 seeds in one pot is a no no, i honestly thought i wouldnt have gotten the germ ratio that i did.(100%)

all these plants are MUCH bigger than the LR orig. that i have grown in the past, which by the way is an awesome smoke, anyone who says otherwise either sucks as a grower or got the short end of the stick regarding genetics. my LR orig. smelled somewhat like baby shit, it was sour and cheesey smelling, i cant honestly say i enjoyed smelling it, but when you broke it apart it smelt as if a stampede of skunks trampled you. good smoke too, chilled high last roughly 1-2 hours pretty strong.

theres a pic of one of the mutants, oh yah, and i had WAY more mutants with LR I than with #2.

 

heavy weight is more than likely just overpriced molasses(15$) and if you are going "organic" then yah use the HW(molasses), 1 TSP/gal (mix well, can let it sit for an hour or so to ensure its well mixed)some folks use warm water, i buy wally worlds distilled and it stays at room temp...71f a lil cool

Superthrive has been in my aresonal for over 10 years, i "believe" it works, although the part about stopping use at the first week or so of flowering is crucial i have found. ST will encourage your plants to "keep going" and you dont really want that when flowering; it has the ability to air out your buds. ill get some pics developed soon and they show new little buds growing on top(out of) of well est almost mature buds...

 

Day 42, watered with a mild strength guano tea. poison dwarfs dig all the nutes; lowryder2 are a bit more sensitive. some of the yellowing/fading of the leaves is from being about 2-4" too close to the hps. overall doing ok, the majority of the seeds are still well underdeveloped, hoping that trend goes wayward. the PD's are a vicious deep green color. the thinner of the plants is a PD i used "local" guano on and that guano was clearly not enough for that plant.

 

thanks Destroyer.

why do you think your PD went hermie on you...light leak, temps.?

how the hell do you "reply" on your thread? its a diff. set-up.

your plants seem to be more sqautier than mine, thats what i was hoping for, but mine stretched. both of the PDs stand 16-18" tall, but are thickening up nicely with the seeds.

yours look like they are using up their stores of N in the lower leaves pretty rapidly, you going with a low N fert right now? (maybe i ought to read your thread a bit better?)

i cut a stretched bothersome internode with small bud formation and some underdev. seeds, i cracked the seed open(it looked "ready") after drying it a few days, anyways it was void, my question is, when do you think we ought to chop the plants to aquire a succesfull seed harvest? when the seeds turn brown, calyxs turn yellow? i know they are going to mature a bit after being cut and dried....

im gonna water tonight so i will update some of the pics.

 

alright well i just tested my runoff water from watering the plants(distilled, nothing added), and have found that on my 2 LR2s (that are starting to look "down") have a pH of 5.5-5.6.....sooooo this is my question:

Should i water with a pH cal'd water/light fert. right now, or wait till the plants actually need water again?

i added perlite on top of the SM#1, so it has decent water movement thru the medium.

and....thanks Buzz

Destroyer: yah a 1000 watter is deff. a big boy! if mine start to smell anymore than they already do then i might not let them stay in the box for too long....i mean the seeds i got from attitude were pathetic in color and size. i give mine 1 to 2 weeks tops.(if this pH issue doesnt F things up!!!)

 

Well heres some pics from days 42 & 46 after doing a quasi flush(day 42); it did some good, on day 46 i watered again and read the run off and im up to 6.3. So i still have some work to do.

The seeds are slowly developing; i give them a solid week. i have cut a few branches and the seeds are muturing after being cut(the embryo and cotyledon material is dev. and ready to "go" upon simple inspection)
theres a trippy pic of some tea i brewed for the 46 watering. i had to strain it since i didnt use a sock/hose. the PD are the best looking ones now and appear to have the best seed dev.

the smell is ridiculous, every time my ac kicks on this storm of pungent air rushes underneath the door.

 

The seeds in the middle are mine, and the right=LR2 and left=PD you cant really see it but the other guys seeds are pale in color and some of them are a bit skimpy looking; all the ones i planted(12) germed however. so i guess looks dont mean everything.

the ones i did pop open had dev. inards; i will do a germ test here 1-2 weeks to get a better idea of their viability.

if any of you have exp. with growing seeded crops feal free to jot down any info/expertise youve gathered. thanks