AGG's Current Closet Madness 400hps -- Pineapple Chunk, King Kush, Kandy Kush ++

Whats up GC??????? This will be my third journal so far and I am going to try to make this one real good! I finally ordered some Magic Beans from Attitude last week and they arrived today....YES! Problem is that I have 10 strains to choose from and only planting 2 at a time. Need some help picking the first two to germ/grow. Any advice would be nice. I will continue to add pics from my current grow in this journal and update pics as well. I am 18 days in flower with a SD bagseed. She is taking off nicely and should be a little beaster!

Here is my current order I just received from attitude.

Product

Price

Barneys Farm Pineapple Chunk Feminized
Feminized Seeds Per Pack - 05 Seeds

£31.99

Pick & Mix Seeds . Green House Seeds Kings Kush Feminized
Pick & Mix Seeds per pack - 01 Seeds
Pick and Mix

£5.99

Pick & Mix Seeds . Barney's Farm Amnesia Lemon Feminized
Pick & Mix Seeds per pack - 01 Seeds

£7.99

Pick & Mix Seeds . Reserva Privada Kandy Kush Feminized
Pick & Mix Seeds per pack - 01 Seeds

£10.99

Pick & Mix Seeds . Greenhouse Seeds The Church Feminized
Pick & Mix Seeds per pack - 01 Seeds

£4.99

UFO#1 Magus Genetics Warlock Feminized

FREEFreebie/BOGOF

Kannabia Seeds BCN Diesel Feminized

FREEFreebie/BOGOF

Kannabia Seeds La Blanca Feminized

FREEFreebie/BOGOF

Kannabia Seeds Mataro Blue Feminized

FREEFreebie/BOGOF

UFO #3 DNA Genetics Sour Cream Feminized

FREEFreebie/BOGOF

UFO#2 Serious Seeds Chronic Feminized

FREEFreebie/BOGOF

Order Date/Time:
Jul 03 2010, 22:22 PM
Payment Method:
SagePay
Shipping Method:
International Express
Original Breeders Packs
T-shirt: Large


Subtotal:

£61.95

Discount Coupon
420

- £6.20

Total Tax:

£0.00

Shipping:

£15.00

Grand Total:

£70.75

Plant Strands:
Listed Above (still undecided)

Nutrients:
Great White Shark Root Stimulator
3 Stage Flora Grow, Micro, Bloom,
Cal-Mag
Humboldt "Snow Storm Ultra"
Super Thrive
GH Liquid Kool Bloom
Bloombastic
Floralicious Plus
Clearex for water changes & flushing
PH UP/PH Down

Water:
Reverse Osmosis for Flower

Equipment:
Grow Tent by Grow Labs 2.7 x 2.7 x72" h
1 - 400 watt Super Sun II (air cooled)
2 - Grow Fluro's 75watt 7800k (last week only of flower)
1 - 4" Exhaust Eco Plus Inline Fan
1 - 6" Exhaust Eco Plus Inline Fan for air cooling the hood only
1 - Hepa Filter Air Filter System for Intake Air
1 - Oscilating Tower Fan
1 - Bubble Bucket System
2 - Air Pumps
1 - Phresh Filter Carbon Filter Hooked up to a 4" Eco Inline Fan
1 - Medium Round Hydro Air Stone (1ea bucket)
1 - Media for growing is Hydroton


=========================Happy 420=============================

Stealth Box



-Closet Open - Well kinda open.....



- Closet Fully Open -
Hepa Filter in the middle bottom....intake air from out of the grow room through the hepa filter then pushed into the grow tent.



Water Supply RO - Water 02ppm and 5.9ph




Intake Hole in the Closet Wall




Intake Air for the Passive intake through the 400 watt hps Air Cooled Hood hooked up to a 6" Eco Inline Fan



400 watt HPS Super Sun II Air Cooled Hood - Sun System Ballast - 400watt Bulb

Hey man I posted in your other thread, but I will post it here too...


I have not personally grown barney's farm seeds before but I have heard good things.




And on your greenhouse plants, you better bet ready to pluck bananas or you'll have seeded crop.

I have grown out 2x 5 strain multipacks from greenhouse and everything but one strain was hermi (THE CHURCH)


The church was by far the heaviest yielder from the GHS bunch, but not really that great of a smoke.


GHS sells horrible genetics.


ALL of their feminized lines are just hermaprhodyte self-bred plants that are now 'feminized seeds' because the original parent plants were taken by the ORIGINAL breeder shantibaba (now mr. nice seeds)

And if it wasn't some shanti strain it was some other clone they just self hermaphronationazed(lol) to get pollen for seeds.


Arjan and GHS is all about making money.


Arjan bribes people for cannabis cup votes and thats the only reason why he wins every year now-a-days.


I could go on and on about how shitty GHS is, but from PERSONAL FIRST HAND experience I can say that their feminized lines are garbage and not quality genetics worth paying money for.

They are not very stable and 90% of them are hermi to some degree.

Just be careful on the GHS beans if you decide to pop them, they will grow bananas and seed your crop guaranteed, hopefully it will be isolated sections.



Hit up the kandy kush, amnesia lemon, pinapple chunk (yum) and warlock (HOLY SHIT FREE?)


That warlock freebie was a real deal man... thats a really cool strain.














I have a 400W grow coming up soon too man, so stay tuned...


I'm curious, what are your temps like with that tent & 400W light?

I am going with a 40"x40"x78" tent from HTG.



p.s. what plants are those under your 400w right now?


& lastly man, you ever think about giving dirt in a bucket a shot?

Edited by .moonchild, 12 July 2010 - 11:59 PM.

I have a 400W grow coming up soon too man, so stay tuned...


I'm curious, what are your temps like with that tent & 400W light?

I am going with a 40"x40"x78" tent from HTG.



p.s. what plants are those under your 400w right now?


& lastly man, you ever think about giving dirt in a bucket a shot?

thanks for the input and yea i heard a lot of mixed things about GHS but i figured i would give them a try being they were cheap and i only got 1 i think. Its all about the King Kush, Kandy Kush, Warlock, Pineapple Haze & the Amensia Haze. Going to pop 2 to start. What two would you choose?

Those were some BS that were males and one female which is the one i just harvested. I just used the pic to show the setup, lights, fans, ect.......

I have a BS going in soil right now but i just dont feel like soil is my thing. Probably going to give it a shot sometime soon but not right now.

Temps range between 83-86 at the canopy. Give or take but feels very comfortable at the canopy just a tad hot during the middle of the day. Temps where i live have been around 100 degrees F and 85% humidity. Not too bad tho. The plant i have going now is a sour diesel bagseed and it is taking off like bananas. Lst'd it and now just shooting up budsites everywhere. Itchy to start these new beans real soon.

Thanks for stoppin by Moon......See you back soon. Bring your chair, chill, puff puff pass and watch the show.

That king's kush is a reversed feminized strain from GHS.

It will throw male bananas GUARANTEED.

There is no other way they could have made seeds from a clone only strain..




I would hit up those 2 barney's farm strains, the amnesia lemon will be some awesome smoke, citrusy bud is awesome and anything haze will be an awesome high/smoke, pineapple chunk also sounds like it would be a great smoke.



I started out in hydro too and ever since I switched to soil I decided hydro wasn't even worth fucking with, for multiple reasons.


I used to really like hydro when I first started growing because I spent most of my grows in the veg cycle, focusing on healthy veg and getting hydro down pat. Hydro was awesome for veg, shit grew super fast.

Aero was also really awesome and stuff grew at turbo speeds because of the additional aeration in my chamber.


When you start focusing on perfecting the actual bud you are making you will eventually want denser juicy nugs that only soil can get you.



If you genuinely like popcorn buds, then stick with hydro.




The difference between nice soil bud and hydro bud is when you take a nug, if you give it a good pinch in your hand, is it just going to crumple up like a crystally wad of paper? or is it a chunky nugget of dank?


Its pretty hard to top a well cured out nug of dank.


Hydro will always have better bag appeal because it *looks* like more bud because its all spaced out.


I guarantee you the extra amount you will yield from hydro will be in extra stem weight over the same grow/timespan in soil.




The biggest issue I had with hydro was having to fuck with all of the pH adjusted water.

So much water and time is wasted in res changes.

In soil you use EVERYTHING, and you use way less water, and its WAY less work in general.

If you take as good of care of the soil bud as you would hydro bud, the soil bud will KILL the hydro bud in a smoke test.


Look into some high quality soil this round under the 400W, and if you aren't happy with the results, go back to the hydro bucket.


Or if you are feeling ambitious you could always do some soil and some hydro at the same time, if you just do DWC hydro buckets and big soil pots.

I have a feeling the soil stuff will end up smoking better.

That king's kush is a reversed feminized strain from GHS.

It will throw male bananas GUARANTEED.

There is no other way they could have made seeds from a clone only strain..




I would hit up those 2 barney's farm strains, the amnesia lemon will be some awesome smoke, citrusy bud is awesome and anything haze will be an awesome high/smoke, pineapple chunk also sounds like it would be a great smoke.



I started out in hydro too and ever since I switched to soil I decided hydro wasn't even worth fucking with, for multiple reasons.


I used to really like hydro when I first started growing because I spent most of my grows in the veg cycle, focusing on healthy veg and getting hydro down pat. Hydro was awesome for veg, shit grew super fast.

Aero was also really awesome and stuff grew at turbo speeds because of the additional aeration in my chamber.


When you start focusing on perfecting the actual bud you are making you will eventually want denser juicy nugs that only soil can get you.



If you genuinely like popcorn buds, then stick with hydro.




The difference between nice soil bud and hydro bud is when you take a nug, if you give it a good pinch in your hand, is it just going to crumple up like a crystally wad of paper? or is it a chunky nugget of dank?


Its pretty hard to top a well cured out nug of dank.


Hydro will always have better bag appeal because it *looks* like more bud because its all spaced out.


I guarantee you the extra amount you will yield from hydro will be in extra stem weight over the same grow/timespan in soil.




The biggest issue I had with hydro was having to fuck with all of the pH adjusted water.

So much water and time is wasted in res changes.

In soil you use EVERYTHING, and you use way less water, and its WAY less work in general.

If you take as good of care of the soil bud as you would hydro bud, the soil bud will KILL the hydro bud in a smoke test.


Look into some high quality soil this round under the 400W, and if you aren't happy with the results, go back to the hydro bucket.


Or if you are feeling ambitious you could always do some soil and some hydro at the same time, if you just do DWC hydro buckets and big soil pots.

I have a feeling the soil stuff will end up smoking better.

you got me thinking now Moon........i really want to do soil but i feel like im starting all over and now that i have some good genetics I dont really want to start back at square one. I dont know much about soil and not sure of the feeding schedule and if the nutes i have will need to be changed to something other. Any advice? we could talk more if you had Skype... easier and less typing.

PINEAPPLE CHUNK IS THE BOMB. Very fruity with OGKUSH type little nuggets (as far as bud density and structure goes).

you got me thinking now Moon........i really want to do soil but i feel like im starting all over and now that i have some good genetics I dont really want to start back at square one. I dont know much about soil and not sure of the feeding schedule and if the nutes i have will need to be changed to something other. Any advice? we could talk more if you had Skype... easier and less typing.

ever tried coco? its a hella good buffer and produces great plants! a great alternative to soil growers wanting to push the growing limits closer to hyrdo

Yea coco and hempy buckets are good options if you don't want to jump straight into soil.



But honestly though, going from DIY hydro to soil is a cinch.


I mix my nutrients in gallon jugs the same way I did in hydro, I feed them the exact same amounts but throw in some plain waterings every now and then.

I just end up using way less water and way less nutrients.


Seeing how well you did on your first hydro grow I think you would have soil down pat before your plants hit flowering.


Its pretty hard to fuck up a soil grow unless you are completely clueless.


There is a way higher room for error in soil, hydro and aero are VERY unforgiving, one small mistake could cost you the harvest.


Soil is pretty flexible.



Look into the fox farm SOIL line or promix


HTG sells 3.8 cu ft promix bricks for hella cheap, ditto with the foxfarm stuff.


Go with ff ocean forest if you don't mind spending a little extra though.


No nutrients AT ALL are needed in FF ocean forest for first 2 weeks, there is so much good stuff already packed in the soil you don't even need anything at the start.

FF has a feeding chart for soil that is very easy to follow if you wanted to go with new soil-based ferts.

A FF OF / FF Trio soil grow under that 400 HPS has the potential to yield some of the sweetest tasting stuff...

You have a bunch of micro boosters and stuff too don't you?

Yea coco and hempy buckets are good options if you don't want to jump straight into soil.



But honestly though, going from DIY hydro to soil is a cinch.


I mix my nutrients in gallon jugs the same way I did in hydro, I feed them the exact same amounts but throw in some plain waterings every now and then.

I just end up using way less water and way less nutrients.


Seeing how well you did on your first hydro grow I think you would have soil down pat before your plants hit flowering.


Its pretty hard to fuck up a soil grow unless you are completely clueless.


There is a way higher room for error in soil, hydro and aero are VERY unforgiving, one small mistake could cost you the harvest.


Soil is pretty flexible.



Look into the fox farm SOIL line or promix


HTG sells 3.8 cu ft promix bricks for hella cheap, ditto with the foxfarm stuff.


Go with ff ocean forest if you don't mind spending a little extra though.


No nutrients AT ALL are needed in FF ocean forest for first 2 weeks, there is so much good stuff already packed in the soil you don't even need anything at the start.

FF has a feeding chart for soil that is very easy to follow if you wanted to go with new soil-based ferts.

A FF OF / FF Trio soil grow under that 400 HPS has the potential to yield some of the sweetest tasting stuff...

You have a bunch of micro boosters and stuff too don't you?

I think I am convinced....I am going to look into hempy buckets, coco and some soils. Think im going to give it a try. seems easy now that you explained how you feed. its really really simple. keep in mind that no one that i know grows at all and hydro was my first try. soil should be a gimme.

hows the yields on soil?

also do i stay with just one soil throughout the grow or do i change? do i start in small pots or the finish size pots?

how do you adjust the PH in soil? what should the runoff be at? ect

thanks

are them 5 or 10 gallon buckets?

You can use the same soil from seed to harvest if you want, no need to change it.


Generally you start out in smaller pots, and as the plants get bigger and require more water and more root room, you move them to bigger pots and add fresh soil to cover the new area you have in the bigger pot.


Its 100% fine to start out in the same size pot that you want to finish in, its just more efficient to start out in smaller pots because you don't have to water as much and it takes up less space area wise while they are small, you don't technically NEED the whole pot when its a tiny baby.

But, its totally okay to plant seeds directly in 10" pots filled with soil and never move the plant until you chop it.

Like I had mentioned before yield wise, anything you would gain in yield over soil going hydro would generally be leaf/stem weight.

Under a 400W you are talking grams in difference of yield, I would say its negligible.



IDK about using hempy buckets though just because its more work than its worth IMO.

Its like.. soil + no moisture control or natural root environment, you have to feed them constantly and make sure there is no excess build up that could be drowning the plants.

Its not REALLY hydro, its just a PITA(pain in the ass) way to grow *soil-less* that is not hydro/aero.



You can run a soil pH higher than hydro pH, on the exact numbers, I'm not sure, I grow by *ear* I guess you could say, and just respond to the plants with plain water / flush / more/less ferts


Gallon jugs + listed amounts of nutrients from feeding chart in some nice soil should from a reputable brand should be smooth sailing all the way through. No pH adjustments required.

Edited by .moonchild, 15 July 2010 - 02:12 AM.

i am way more confused now lol i thought them buckets are like deep water culter hydro systems. im tryin to make some an was just tryin to figure all this out ha

i am way more confused now lol i thought them buckets are like deep water culter hydro systems. im tryin to make some an was just tryin to figure all this out ha

The photos in the first post are DWC buckets, my post was not a response to yours.

The photos in the first post are DWC buckets, my post was not a response to yours.

wow im retarded.. i didnt even look at who posted it lol..

I mis-read shit all the time when I'm stoned.

You can use the same soil from seed to harvest if you want, no need to change it.


Generally you start out in smaller pots, and as the plants get bigger and require more water and more root room, you move them to bigger pots and add fresh soil to cover the new area you have in the bigger pot.


Its 100% fine to start out in the same size pot that you want to finish in, its just more efficient to start out in smaller pots because you don't have to water as much and it takes up less space area wise while they are small, you don't technically NEED the whole pot when its a tiny baby.

But, its totally okay to plant seeds directly in 10" pots filled with soil and never move the plant until you chop it.

Like I had mentioned before yield wise, anything you would gain in yield over soil going hydro would generally be leaf/stem weight.

Under a 400W you are talking grams in difference of yield, I would say its negligible.



IDK about using hempy buckets though just because its more work than its worth IMO.

Its like.. soil + no moisture control or natural root environment, you have to feed them constantly and make sure there is no excess build up that could be drowning the plants.

Its not REALLY hydro, its just a PITA(pain in the ass) way to grow *soil-less* that is not hydro/aero.



You can run a soil pH higher than hydro pH, on the exact numbers, I'm not sure, I grow by *ear* I guess you could say, and just respond to the plants with plain water / flush / more/less ferts


Gallon jugs + listed amounts of nutrients from feeding chart in some nice soil should from a reputable brand should be smooth sailing all the way through. No pH adjustments required.

You got me convinced Moon.....I went and picked up some Ocean Forest Soil, Perlite, 2 x 3 gallon smart pots (read some really good things about them) and some Flora Nova Nutes to add to the collection. I will be running 2 x Smart Pots Soil & 1 x DWC Bucket.

Should I do 3 different strains or should I do like 1 Kandy Kush in soil & 2 x Pineapple Chunk with 1 in soil and the other in the DWC. This would give a comparison to the smoke, quality, density, yield, aroma, ect.

Thanks Moon for shedding some "Moonlight" in the dark for me. I am going to kill this soil grow for sure. + Rep

No problem man.


If you have 2 or more beans of the same strain I would definitely do one hydro one soil just so you can compare.


I will tell you this though, the hydro plant will probably grow faster at the start than the soil plant and the hydro one will probably be done a few days earlier also.


FFOF is some of the nicest soil you can get.


You will probably want to veg it a couple days more in soil than you would normally in hydro just because it takes a little longer for the root structure to *fully* develop, it happens real quick in hydro, not so quick in soil because it has to push through the dirt and shit.

No problem man.


If you have 2 or more beans of the same strain I would definitely do one hydro one soil just so you can compare.


I will tell you this though, the hydro plant will probably grow faster at the start than the soil plant and the hydro one will probably be done a few days earlier also.


FFOF is some of the nicest soil you can get.


You will probably want to veg it a couple days more in soil than you would normally in hydro just because it takes a little longer for the root structure to *fully* develop, it happens real quick in hydro, not so quick in soil because it has to push through the dirt and shit.

Yea i think ill do some 2 pineapple chunk to compare (barneys farm seeds).

I will keep the veg/flower timing in mind so i dont rush the soil. Makes sense with the hydro.

I like the FFOF it seems light and read good things about it. Added 20% perlite to the mix for more aeration.

Have you ever grown from a smart pot? of know anyone personally that has? Advice on watering since they dont hold nearly as much water like a regular pot.

Don't think so, what makes a smart pot different?


I used 10" pots with drainage pans built in to them, if that has a name.



when it comes to watering, you want the soil moist but not too wet.

if you can remember the moisture level of the FFOF when you got it at its juiciest point, thats the level you want it to be when the plant is growing, so when you water it aim for the soil to be a little wetter than that.

You don't want to drown the plants by having standing water in the bottom half, because the roots won't be able to grow down there.

soil isn't like hydro, the roots can't be constantly in water, they just slurp the moisture out of the soil, the roots grow towards the moisture (generally downward)

Edited by .moonchild, 15 July 2010 - 02:10 PM.