CGE (Closed growing environment) (sealed)

[Don Piano]

I am still around. No real time to post shit anymore. Busy like a beaver, the brown kind with straight fur. Anyway I'll throw a shot in. Sorry for the quality. It is the Medical Seeds 1024. Tasted grapey and smells amazing. The analysis of the THC (according to Medical Seeds Co. is around 23% THC and it has to be very close, it is amazing) I fucked up and forgot to re veg this one and had no clones. Sad. Have maybe a half left. Still got a 1024 seed left and am hoping it is like the 1024-1 and not the 1024-2, which smell like peptobismal but is strong! In the process of growing out my new creation of SoloCup Bandit crossed with a forced male of g13 labs gigabud. It is growing right now. Will be my last plant for several months. Time for vacation and smoke enjoyment. I have to revamp my grows and will need help doing it as I am now in the confines of a wheelchair. Going to do a dual spectrum of 400MH and 600HPS in a single reflector. Full sealed bedroom! Sorry to all that have followed this and I am no longer really posting. Peace

[Don Piano]

Will have pics soon. Got 32 clones out of a batch of 35 and they will mostly be going into flower. we do not do the pop bottles anymore, 2 gallon pots works well. Have 10 flowering right now in 5 gallon pots under a 600, once the buds start poppin I will have some pics of those as well, they are shower flowering in a bathroom. Here are some buds that were left on a plant for 2 weeks while we were gone only being watered once. Then it was left in the dark for 3 days (dry). They were pretty much dried on the plant and are curing up nicely now.

[Bud Nukem]

Originally Posted by Don Piano

Will have pics soon. Got 32 clones out of a batch of 35 and they will mostly be going into flower. we do not do the pop bottles anymore, 2 gallon pots works well. Have 10 flowering right now in 5 gallon pots under a 600, once the buds start poppin I will have some pics of those as well, they are shower flowering in a bathroom. Here are some buds that were left on a plant for 2 weeks while we were gone only being watered once. Then it was left in the dark for 3 days (dry). They were pretty much dried on the plant and are curing up nicely now.

*Blink Blink*

Don Piano??

Man!! Good to see your avatar man!!

It's been a long time! Glad to see you back!!

[Don Piano]

Nukem, nice of you to stop by. I kind of thumbed through your thread as a lurker for a bit. Nice jars. Heard you had AC issues. That blows. I knew it was going to be hard with the units you had but the plants still looked happy. Wait till you see the new room I am having my wife build, it is going to be a dual 600 setup like you have. I have all equipment and supplies, just waiting for the room to be done. It has all eye bolts and hooks installed, the room is sealed, the new wiring is run to the room, and now just needs a wall, door, and elastomeric coating, plus the outlets installed and the insulation in the wall. Going to set the door up like an exterior door with a threshold, kerf seal, door sweep, and peephole.

[Bud Nukem]

Originally Posted by Don Piano

Nukem, nice of you to stop by. I kind of thumbed through your thread as a lurker for a bit. Nice jars. Heard you had AC issues. That blows. I knew it was going to be hard with the units you had but the plants still looked happy. Wait till you see the new room I am having my wife build, it is going to be a dual 600 setup like you have. I have all equipment and supplies, just waiting for the room to be done. It has all eye bolts and hooks installed, the room is sealed, the new wiring is run to the room, and now just needs a wall, door, and elastomeric coating, plus the outlets installed and the insulation in the wall. Going to set the door up like an exterior door with a threshold, kerf seal, door sweep, and peephole.

Nice man!!

Funny you mention the AC issues...I got up this morning, and the AC had obviously stopped working.

Good thing they sent me a new unit for the faulty one they sent. The new unit arrived...last night...no shit. I didn't even know it was coming.

So...I will have to get that new one in there. Not sure what the hell is up, but in about 5 minutes, I am thinking i am punching a fucking hole through the wall, and just stuffing a through thew wall into room 1. Man...what a pain in the ass, though!! Room 2 is awesome.

I can't WAIT to see yours!! It will make mine look like pooh, but you are the CGE Master!!

Again, great to see you back, man!!

[Don Piano]

Like poo? Naw, yours is the cleanest build I have seen in a long time. Mine will be very functional, but it depends on my wife for how pretty it looks. I have laid out the blueprints and she is doing great. The only thing is that is only going to be cge during the summer, and it is going to be vented in the winter, with no co2. I have some new seeds from a strain called headbands or something that got pollinated by an unknown male. My "1024" medical seeds co. seeds are awesome, I grew 2 out and liked one, but fucked up on the reveg and it died. Actually I cut the stalk of the plant right at the dirt, becuase I forgot that I was to be revegging it. It was real grapey and extremely potent. I killed off the number 2 plant from it because it smelled like peptobismal and tasted like it too. A lot of people loved it, but I did not and that is what is important. Very potent, but not my flavor. Now I am growing out the 3rd seed from the 3 seed batch I purchased and hopefully there are only 2 phenos of this strain and I get the first one that I loved so much, otherwise I have to get more seeds, that strain is a must buy for anyone. Medical seeds co. 1024. Attitude.
I am also growing out church 3 and 4 (3 has not sprouted and 4 is doing great) as well as a couple unknown sativas as well as an unknown indica dom. Pics real soon once my clones look a little greener, they look sad now but all are gonna be fine. The best cloning cubes I can find now are the Oasis Cubes. They are like floral foam but brown. None of the PH work like with rockwool, but roots just as fast. HIGHly recommended.

[AugustWest]

high don!

good to see you around man.. and spreading the great info as always

[JohnQPub]

I'm having a seriously difficult time picking out an air conditioner for my CGE. I can't tell which A/C units are best for my kind of application.

Obviously I need the most cooling power/reliability for the least amount of money. What I can't figure out is which type of A/C I'll be able to mount into a wall (back end facing into a very large crawl space) and also not leak all my precious c02 through the exhaust.

I can't tell which of them are recirculating and have nicely sealed internals.

[Don Piano]

the one I bought has internal foam that does not allow leaks, but you can take the front off and see if that needs to be done (great stuff expanding foam works well) with any unit that you buy. A cheap window AC unit (non digital thermostat) will be fine. CO2 loss was never an issue with my sealed room, the AC will not exchange air with the outside, only circulate and remove the heat. The size of your grow will determine how large of a window/wall unit you need. The box for the unit will usually tell you what size room it is for, and always get one for the next size bigger room, that extra heat that our dehumidifiers and lights generate will almost make the room visible as a larger room to the air conditioner.

[JohnQPub]

Originally Posted by Don Piano

the one I bought has internal foam that does not allow leaks, but you can take the front off and see if that needs to be done (great stuff expanding foam works well) with any unit that you buy. A cheap window AC unit (non digital thermostat) will be fine. CO2 loss was never an issue with my sealed room, the AC will not exchange air with the outside, only circulate and remove the heat. The size of your grow will determine how large of a window/wall unit you need. The box for the unit will usually tell you what size room it is for, and always get one for the next size bigger room, that extra heat that our dehumidifiers and lights generate will almost make the room visible as a larger room to the air conditioner.

That's awesome news. It's a relatively small room, so being able to use a wall/window ac on the cheap is great. If I need more I'll move up to the split system A/C's.

Thanks much.

edit: If you don't mind me asking, what was the brand/model? If I can get a pre-sealed one it'd probably save me a good bit of time.

[floppingfish]

Don Piano, I seemed to have missed the materials list/price sheet that you said you would post. Did you change your mind?

Anyways i want to say thank you, much of your work will be untilized in a similar design I am working on, great work

thanks again

[Don Piano]

AW, nice to see ya, glad to be here.

JQP, it is a haier or something lie that, it is a 5200btu i believe give or take. I got that to cool a 4ftx 6ftx4ft box.

Flopping fish, If i had the time to do it I would. In the end I guess i really spared no expense. Growing should be done with money not in mind because everything eventually pays for itself in the end. I am at a point of upgrade so my cost is well over $4000 I am sure. just for the new spot I am Building new walls, so... wood at least $100 for everything including shelves and all, new dual 600s at around $350 each, new fans $120 each, 2 electronic dampers $70 each, ass loads of elastomeric caulk at $4 a tube, fungicide primer x3 gal at $24 a piece, elastomeric roofing compound 5gal pail at around $100, pre conduited 12-2 for running new power $100, panda film $100, 2 and 5 gal pots $75, random ductwork pieces, insulated ducting and non insulated ducting $100, outlets, covers, boxes, screws, nails, assorted eyebolts and hooks... hell another $100 at least, new hepa filter $70, hepa intake filter $40, 2 CAN 33's and flanges $260, new door with threshold, lockset, sweep, kerf seal (we're basically setting it up like an exterior door would seal), and sweep for the main room door $125, dayton blower $100, PVC light trap and pipe $40, greatstuff x6 $25, roll of insulation $14.00, Water tub $10, another 15min on delay relay $80, timers at least $30, i dont know, I could keep going I am sure, but then you have to add alot of other stuff from the last chamber...

Dehumidifier $130 ( i think, may have been more. come to think of it, it actually was because i bought a 3 year protection/replacement warranty) so lets say $160, AC unit, $100, mulitiple circulation fans and duct fans $150, switchable 400 $220, soil tubs $40, IR blocker $250, insulation $45, wood $50, elasto roof compound $75, primer yadayada. Co2 controller made it for $130, co2 tank $100 and fill $20, co2 regulator $100, greenhouse controller $100, 2 digital outlet thermostats $75, bake-a-round $15.00 (lol), more greatstuff, more elasto caulk, more primer, ass ton of 26watt 6500k cfls $100, 4 42 watt cfls $45, upgrade my whole house to cfl and led $100, wire $150, outlets boxes outlet covers more money, I could keep going I am sure, I am thinking now over $5000.
No problem, hope the build goes easy and the grow goes well.

[floppingfish]

big investment, but you are right about doing it right and not going cheap, i love your thread and it came with great timing as well
the night before i stumbled onto your thread here, i i had the thought of changing from a room to a "lab"

i have to ask, how many buckets of elastomeric did you go through?
the sq. footage reccomended out of 5 gallons seemed very low (287sq ft) so i am hoping that you got more than manufactur coverage

Oh yeah, I am assuming you coated all inside surfaces including ceiling. I didnt catch if you used RF blocking and elastomeric or what on the outside of the room

thanks again

[floppingfish]

just a few more questions, sorry if i ask too much

Using 2-can 33's and 20lb co2, in a similar sized space to my own, are you controlling your temp, humidity and co2 with something such as a ultimate greenhouse controller type of thing and how often are you refilling your tank?
Would you say that can fan (or similar) waste co2?
i just dont want to be loading my truck every weekend if i can avoid it.

with elastomeric paint, i worry about issues such as what occured with the grow tents (toxin were released from the wall material that killed the plants).
judging by the looks of things in your pics of produce, there wasnt not an issue :-)
so my question is are there any red flags with elastomeric other than the price?

thank you very much

FF

[Don Piano]

Well the new gear I am making is not going to be sealed except during the summer. It will be vented in the winter and no co2 will be used. Co2 in the summer only. In my original box 4x4x6 I went thorough a 20lb tank in around 9months-1year. Pretty good if you ask me. My controller is similar to a CAP PPM-3, It is a Telaire Ventostat (what the PPM-3's are made out of) and I made My own Piggyback power cord and added a digital display (the one I bought had no display). so all in all I got a 400-500$ unit for $130 because I made it like CAP does. My humidity was controlled strictly by the Dehumidistat that is built into my dehumidifier, the temps were controlled by digital thermostats that have outlets on them. They are made by LUX, there are pics somewhere in my thread of them. They are both programmable like a home's thermostat, and one controlled my heater and the other my AC unit. They were synced so the heater would run at night to keep temps above 65 and when the lights came on the heater thermostat would be set to 60 so it would never come on during lights on (they shared a circuit, and a 600 with a 900watt heater would not be advisable on a single outlet, ever) and the AC was set to 70 at night and 87 during the day on it's thermostat. I had no venting going on in my original room, so the CAN filters are for my new room, one for a constant scrubber for the room, and the other for when the room gets vented out the exhaust fan. As far as elasto goes, the coverage is not very good, but the coverage is great. I know, I am confusing, let me explain..... It does not go a long way, but the job it does is stupendous. I went through a few cans over what I stated because I did have some left over from another job. The 5 gallons for the new room is because it is not being laid on thick, it is getting a severe primering first, and then gone over with elasto. The IR (infrared) blocker was installed on the exterior, over my fiberglass insulation, no elasto on the outside. As for the Toxic Huts, they were PVC lined, yuck, this stuff is latex based and perfectly safe to use, even in the food service industry. No red flags. I paint every grow with it, and recommend it to all. Easy to clean, safe to use, and it essentially makes the room a rubber bladder if you can get your door to seal as good as I did. lol (had problems with building it, but it worked great in the end, but the building of it forced me to do a real door and set it up like a home's exterior door's sealing design.)
As for the last question about the CAN filter and fan, yes it would waste co2, but again, I am now going to vent in winter and not use co2 except in summer when it is a sealed room.
I hope this helps, if i missed anything, let me know.