Mother/Clone (CFL Area) and 2x 600 watt (HPS) Main room - Prints/Photo's Included.

[Merfolk]

Hey Guys, Not really sure how to start this, so ill just lay it out - Ive turned one dirty/shitty basement into a decent grow room, I have built a temporary wall, and added a 15 amp Breaker -


Im Looking to do a perpetual grow SoG style, starting very small then work my way to bigger numbers.

So ill start with my 3x3 Mother/Clone area

Lights

As it stands, i have 10 - 13 watt Soft White CFL's Pushing 8000k Lumens, Im hoping this will help maintain 3 possibly 4 mother plants to give Frequent Clones (Anywhere from 5-15 at once).
http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/...35955849008597
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/ima...c63cb31baf.jpg


I will use some "Desk Clamps" And hook on the pots of the mothers and Put Powerfull CFL Wattage in them to help with more wattage/Light

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In Not quite sure what im going to be doing about the clones, i know that i wont need too much watts on them - Figure i will just put some floro tubes or a few CFLS

Want to have as little as 5-15 clones going at every given time ( any suggestions? )

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For my Main flowering room, I think 2 600 watt HPS will serve me best here with my long sretch of 7ft long room hopeing to flower as much as 35 (Or more if i can squeeze them in ) small plants

( as for 600 watt systems, im completly oblivious, but this looked good, and price is decent )

What do you guys think ? http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct...roductID=48956

I think that covers the lights?!

Exhaust ill need for this room i belive is 250cfm if i did my math right, Today i just went and purchased a Dayton Blower Model No. 1TDR9 Pushing 463 CFM's So this is almost Double What my room will need - and its pretty quite too! - Ill just Run about 5-6' of duct out to my window and exhaust the air out of there.
http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?i...sc00244we9.jpg
http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/...86980242224923
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Im Hoping i wont have to set up an intake, The foundation to the rest of my house is exposed in my basement, so im hoping with a nice CFM rating i could create sometime of Vacuum to bring in fresh air?

http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/...68287868620182>--Foundation Exposed
http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/...72788219804632


http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/...35082627025195 >--3x3 Grow room size
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http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/...39696775295256>--Main Grow Area
http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/...87236484104082
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Questions

1. How much is the Temp going to rise from 2 600 watt

2. Distance from the 600 watt bulbs - Can i just mount them ?

3. do i have a good grasp of how this op is going to go? or am i way off?

4. What is the point of having a bucket of water sit in your grow room? Humidity?

5. Cheap ways to do the cloning i need to get done?

6. Some of the pictures, you can see i have a oil furnace in the same room, i sure hope this doesnt give me much problems, anyone see any with it being in the same room ? Raise temp? http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/...02885691130031

7. Should i LST my mothers? im sure im going to kill quite abit of clones while im learning, so id like the mother to have alot i can sacrafice =(

**Any advice/tips/suggestions please say them! this is my first time attempting a grow!**

[mordgrow]

any reason your not going for a higher wattage in the flower room?
if the initial purchase is an issue, here's a tasty option :
http://www.insidesun.com/e2c5b5c00e1...3628fa645.item

for what your looking at I think your going to need more wattage in the flower room (and those mothers are going to need more juice too if they are going to produce 15 clones every 2 weeks)

you definatly need to read this thread:
http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-...y-2-weeks.html

I would personaly seal off those areas that lead to your foundation, if you want to pull air from there (not sure how good of a sourse that is) you should install some bug proof screens, or you can pull air from the far corner of your room (near the stairs) and vent out side, and let air come in from the window (BTW, better invest in a nice carbon filter!)

you HAVE to seal off the area between the moms and flowering plants (use panda plastic and velcro to make a door, or something like my door)

uhmm. yeah thats all i got for now,

did you plan on growing in soil? I think hydro is a much better route for an op like this (ebb and flow for your flower room, soil, or DWC, or even areo for your mom room)

FYI a room like this one your thinking of will cost around 1500-2,500 dollars if done RIGHT (and thats not even with cool nifty gadgets.. hehe) unless you already have a bunch of supplies on hand.

[Merfolk]

Originally Posted by mordgrow

any reason your not going for a higher wattage in the flower room?
if the initial purchase is an issue, here's a tasty option :
http://www.insidesun.com/e2c5b5c00e1...3628fa645.item

for what your looking at I think your going to need more wattage in the flower room (and those mothers are going to need more juice too if they are going to produce 15 clones every 2 weeks)

I figured 2 600's would produce less heat and cover more area, 2 1000 watters isnt out of my budget, what would is venting all that heat, in the summer here, its gets around in the 90 degree's -

so you think 2 1000 watters would due best there? seems like thats gonna get abit hot

Yea, i understand the mothers will need more wattage ( how much more? ) id like to keep it CFL -

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Originally Posted by mordgrow

you definatly need to read this thread:
http://forum.grasscity.com/advanced-...y-2-weeks.html

Yea, this is where i got the idea - But i think if i went Hydro, ill have to spend way more money then i have, i only have around 600 more dollars to put into this, i Could and would be willing to cut my scale down, just till i can upgrade - Have to spend money to make money right?

Originally Posted by mordgrow

I would personaly seal off those areas that lead to your foundation, if you want to pull air from there (not sure how good of a sourse that is) you should install some bug proof screens

Going to head to the store - i was thinking of something like this, and thats all i needed to hear - need to figure a cheap way to do this, and a way to screw it in to my concrete.

Originally Posted by mordgrow

or you can pull air from the far corner of your room (near the stairs) and vent out side

Yea i dont understand what you mean here, mind explaining to me? Hook up my exhaust fan, then vent it to where? outside of my window? ( BTW my window is sealed shut, so i might have to knock it down and add plywood, and drill a hole to vent the air out.

and let air come in from the window (BTW, better invest in a nice carbon filter!)

Originally Posted by mordgrow

HAVE to seal off the area between the moms and flowering plants (use panda plastic and velcro to make a door, or something like my door)

Yea, to not disturb the flowering room right? - Ill check out what you have and see what i can do - i sure hope it wont be too much of a problem =)

Originally Posted by mordgrow

did you plan on growing in soil? I think hydro is a much better route for an op like this (ebb and flow for your flower room, soil, or DWC, or even areo for your mom room)

Yes i plan on doing soil for it all, im sure ill go hydro after i get expierence under my belt, but i dont have the cash atm to get all that hydro - Am i making a mistake here?

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So, Could i vent this whole grow out of my window with 6" Duct? and is it possible fresh air could be pulled from my foundation?

[Merfolk]

Btw How smelly am i lookin here? again, im going to START off with a small scale, ( Not as shown in Diagram ) around 5 plants per cycle, could be less, to get a "Feel" for this -

i just want to invest in the equipment to produce half lb a lb every 2 weeks, if i can.

[Dewave]

Hey Merfolk,

I have pretty much the same equipment/set up you mention except in a much smaller room, 5 x 10.

I use a small hydrohut for 14 Banzia mums, http://www.cannabase.com/cl/index.html, reservoirs, and a 30 spot aero cloner. Two 17 watt cfls on cloner and three 17 watt cfls on mums, works great.

For flowering, I use two 600 watters over a 4 x 5 ft area, I split that into 2 areas, so that I can harvest once a month. I get about a lb per month +/- depending on strain. In the winter I use the heat from the lights for warmth while in the summer I vent it outdoors.

For odor I use a 4 inch vortec fan attached to a 6 inch ID X 10 inch OD x 24 inch long carbon scrubber.

If I can do it, I'm sure you can!

Good luck

[mordgrow]

Originally Posted by Dewave

If I can do it, I'm sure you can!

Good luck

yeah, dewave definatly is doing it right too!

[Merfolk]

Ok Went to Lowe's, picked up a few things

1. Light clamps x2

2. 4 - 23 Watt Daylight CFL's 5600k if i remember right

3. Green Light Rooting Hormone Powder form ( Figured id need it sometime )

4. 4'x25' Bug Screen roll -

5. A cloning Tray

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Ok, So when i was in the Gardening Section, i also seen blooming fert called super bloom, How well does this do? and is this more for Vegging or Flowering ?

Some of the pics below, where that small tray is - i was thinking that is just where ill be putting my clones, on that, and below 3' ill just have my mothers down there - it works perfect -

I need to figure out a cheap/effective way to cut off that small room to make it sealed light proof - Then ill do some finishing touches on the mother/clone room and then its on to the flowering room!

seeds havent germinated yet =X

Here are some pics -

[Merfolk]

Thanks for the Bug screen suggestion Mord, it looks alot better!

Not sure if my links are working to all those pics, but ive been resizing all my pics so i can just upload through GC!

Here is some pics of my Exhaust and my 10 - 13 watt Soft white Homemade Power strip =X ( lol this is the first time ive ever wired anything together was fun, but i could have made it much more simple!, i think ill take this and have it for my clones, might be a bit too much wattage though ? =X

[Merfolk]

Few Pics of the Flowering room, the window in the picture id like vent out the old air through it, figure id just cut a piece of plywood the size of that window and replace it, connect some duct to my Exhaust and run it out - Suggestions? How do you figure i get Duct air tight on that blower of mine?

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Also, the Temp in the mother room stands, with a minimum of 69F and a max of 74F with 32-36% Humidity w/ the new fan blowing high and all the lights i have on.

[Merfolk]

Going to make a door today, make the mother/clone room light proof..


Looking for idea's suggestions guys!

Also ive done a few searches, but no solid answer's, is there a good supply site i can order all my soil/nutes? at a cheap price of course!!

[Dewave]

Thanx Mord for the kind words, I try, lol

Cheapiest place for nutes that I have is here: http://cheaphydroponics.com/cart/ind...ewCat&catId=14

If anyone knows of a better one, please speak up...

Here's the hard part, Mer, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't even be germinating yet, just concentrating on the rooms. But I wouldn't how build the room if I hadn't grown before. So grow, build and expect some changes to be made along the way.

Those temps are good but you haven't got any HPS lights running yet,,, so expect an increase in temps,,, can't say how much too many variables.

Good luck, bro

[Merfolk]

Originally Posted by Dewave

Thanx Mord for the kind words, I try, lol

Cheapiest place for nutes that I have is here: http://cheaphydroponics.com/cart/ind...ewCat&catId=14

If anyone knows of a better one, please speak up...

Here's the hard part, Mer, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't even be germinating yet, just concentrating on the rooms. But I wouldn't how build the room if I hadn't grown before. So grow, build and expect some changes to be made along the way.

Those temps are good but you haven't got any HPS lights running yet,,, so expect an increase in temps,,, can't say how much too many variables.

Good luck, bro

Hey thanks for that link Dewave!

I guess im just Germinating thease bagseed to get a feel of the first few stages of Mj Life -

Basically all im looking to learn for the time being is how to raise from seedlings, produce and maintain mother(x2-4) plants, and take clones, once i can get thease down i want to start the flowering room ! Hope this is a good plan? Its just bagseed after all!!! =)

Just got back from the store, got velcrow strips and a few other things, ill post pics here soon !

Also bought a 4 foot shop light, 2 bulbs, that are 6500k and 40 watts pushing 2325 Lumens - Was thinking i could just use this as my Clone light - Possibly my mothers with CFL's around them ladies, will figure it out soon.

[Merfolk]

Alright here is some pics of what i got at my local store, need a few to get pics on the updated mother/clone room.

[mordgrow]

good stuff, i've been to the store so many times for so many different things that i now almost have a little mini stock of parts to mcgiver stuff from.

[Merfolk]

Originally Posted by mordgrow

good stuff, i've been to the store so many times for so many different things that i now almost have a little mini stock of parts to mcgiver stuff from.

Yea mord, thanks alot for your idea's man +rep if it wasent for you it wouldnt be progessing as quickly/nicely, i think you will like the mother/clone room, its freakin awsome and looking alot better


If there is some Negative things to say, the TRUST that are exposed in my basement, have alot of web/spiders - Ive got most of the web/cobweb with the vacuum, there WAS ALOT - if i had shown you what this basement was before i touched it, it was a fucking Medevil Dungeon -

I have 3 cans of Bug Killing spray, i will be putting ALL 3 of thease tomarrow or friday, * whichever day i can get my daughter of 1 year out of the house for a few hours and the dogs ( Fiance doesnt think Chiwawa's (sp) shouldnt be outside dogs therefor i cant just set them in the yard for fuck sakes lol.

Anyhow watching a 1 hour show then ill do some finishing touches then post some pics.. Also, im noticing as i enclose my mother/clone room its getting hotter


Edit: The Shop/bulbs i bought are 4' long and 1' wide? and wont fit for the mothers, But i initialy bought thease for my clones, is this overkill for my clones? Just right? Need more wattage? 6500k Daylight bulbs that are 40 watts pushing 2300 lumans if memory serves me right...

Would like to get a swift response for this question, i wont open the package yet, as if i can get better ill return and upgrade, but will this do "Good?" For my baby clones