Anyone use inverters? Free electricty?

[YuRmy]

Im no electrician, But as we all would like to consume less electricity I've pondered onto an idea I wondered if it "could" work. Here's the idea.

1x 12 volt dc generator 25 amp
1x 6000 watt 25 amp inverter 12 volt inverts to 120 ac or 240 for the multi light user
1x voltage regulator
1x Car battery
1x alternator

you would use the inverter to power 3-4 lights
you would use the generator to power the inverter
you would use the car battery to power the generator
you would use a power source from the inverter to power the alternator which in turn
powers the car battery keeping the generator running

now i understand this defies the laws of physics as it is perpetual energy. self contained in a way it doesnt rely on your wall sockets at all to power your garden, i also understand the initial starting of all power sources would draw full current and amp loads. could this somehow be powered intially from a high amp wall socket then switched over to perpetuate itself after the amp loads drop within means to power itself? I kind of have to assume im not the first guy to think up something like this. If it could be done why isnt it?

Think about it. free electricity. yea right.


Peace
YuRmy

[DrBudGreengenes]

Originally Posted by YuRmy

Im no electrician, But as we all would like to consume less electricity I've pondered onto an idea I wondered if it "could" work. Here's the idea.

1x 12 volt dc generator 25 amp
1x 6000 watt 25 amp inverter 12 volt inverts to 120 ac or 240 for the multi light user
1x voltage regulator
1x Car battery
1x alternator

you would use the inverter to power 3-4 lights
you would use the generator to power the inverter
you would use the car battery to power the generator
you would use a power source from the inverter to power the alternator which in turn
powers the car battery keeping the generator running

now i understand this defies the laws of physics as it is perpetual energy. self contained in a way it doesnt rely on your wall sockets at all to power your garden, i also understand the initial starting of all power sources would draw full current and amp loads. could this somehow be powered intially from a high amp wall socket then switched over to perpetuate itself after the amp loads drop within means to power itself? I kind of have to assume im not the first guy to think up something like this. If it could be done why isnt it?

Think about it. free electricity. yea right.


Peace
YuRmy

Dude.....I live miles from the closest power line .....28 miles in cable just to reach us up here..lol
We make all of our own power up here....if something like that would work we all would be doing this.....up here we spend 1.000's on Solar,Genny,Battery Banks.....$4399.00...in batteries alone. at our house
Makin yer' own power aint cheap
Makin "Wood Gas" is the closest think to free power you will find.....

[YuRmy]

Actually i have a friend who lives in Emerald Triangle Northern Cali. We're talking backwoods shit. Come on my land i shoot you.. He too has to make his own power, has a battery room generators and solar paneling. I understand about the price costs. I don't mind the initial investment. I understand it might take a battery room for me to power that up too. Thats fine. The concept is once its running it "should" theoretically power itself? What I meant though, if it could be done, why isn't it? What's wrong with this idea? Anyone know. It can all be wired together in a fashion that amps nor wattage would be a issue. We all know we can get a generator that could be powered from your car right? ok. We all know inverter inverts power from dc to ac and can also be powered from 12 volt sockets. We all know a alternator could be used to change over the inverter power from 120 ac to 12 volt to recharge the battery that runs the generator that runs the inverter. LOL I know it's a completely wacked idea.

Why can't it work besides the FACT it's Illegal.

Anyone know the real reason. Is it amps? Is it watts, can energy not perpetuate because Laws of physics say so? There has to be a single one reason this can not work. Otherwise in theory, it'll power itself according to the drawings =)

Come on someone's gotta know!! Let's hear it..


Peace
YuRmy

[dragit]

sooo... basicly... have a car battery... running an electric motor pullied to an alternater that is charging the battery? and use an inverter for the lights?

lol.. sounds like a high school science project

[ecoterror]

didn't Rube Goldburg build a machine like that

[djnecro]

Too much energy would be lost as heat, and therefore, will not make it back to the start of the loop. Slowly the available energy will diminish and the alternator would slowly come to a stop...

If there was such a thing (currently) that would/could provide free or next to free electricity (at a cost that would be less than building your own personal nuclear plant in your back yard), we'd all know about it...

[5m0k3r]

Originally Posted by ecoterror

didn't Rube Goldburg build a machine like that

yeah i think he died that way also..

[kinky19777]

There is something that you can use to make that kind power and it will work for around 40 years before you have to replace it....Nuclear fuel rods....lol

[YuRmy]

Originally Posted by kinky19777

There is something that you can use to make that kind power and it will work for around 40 years before you have to replace it....Nuclear fuel rods....lol

LOL im not trying to power the East Coast.. Just my basement..

so i guess the problem is that the energy created would diminish. Is the alternator the only problem in this equation? If so is it not possible to wire the alternator to a wall socket as your "primary" power source from the wall.. I realize its no longer free electricity, but ill take a 12-36 amp alternator sucking down my power bill over 4 20 amp sockets anyday. So lets move away from perpetual energy and onto the idea that this can be powered from a alternate source using MUCH less electricity? Again powering the alternator isnt a problem and would be much more desired powering only that instead of 4 wall sockets. Could that work, would it lessen the burden?

Peace
YuRmy

[Mr.GoodStuff]

Build it and find out I guess...

Sounds like a good idea.

[eyec0n]

Originally Posted by YuRmy

LOL im not trying to power the East Coast.. Just my basement..

so i guess the problem is that the energy created would diminish. Is the alternator the only problem in this equation? If so is it not possible to wire the alternator to a wall socket as your "primary" power source from the wall.. I realize its no longer free electricity, but ill take a 12-36 amp alternator sucking down my power bill over 4 20 amp sockets anyday. So lets move away from perpetual energy and onto the idea that this can be powered from a alternate source using MUCH less electricity? Again powering the alternator isnt a problem and would be much more desired powering only that instead of 4 wall sockets. Could that work, would it lessen the burden?

Peace
YuRmy

I sort of got this idea after seeing southpark. What you could do is setup like a rat style running device that powers the alternator, go to home depot and make use of a couple unemployed construction workers sitting in the parking lot.

[kinky19777]

Originally Posted by eyec0n

I sort of got this idea after seeing southpark. What you could do is setup like a rat style running device that powers the alternator, go to home depot and make use of a couple unemployed construction workers sitting in the parking lot.

But the problem with that is they are usually illegal...lol

[mike827]

Dude it WILL NOT WORK.

As someone said above, you lose ALWAYS lose energy to entropy, (which means available energy (electrical, kinetic, etc.) is converted to heat, so you can not make it to the start of the loop again.

[eyec0n]

Originally Posted by kinky19777

But the problem with that is they are usually illegal...lol

Dude, growing pot is illegal lol.

[dragit]

i wonder if running an electric motor off the wall socket that is turning the alternater that is charging thae battery... which of course is hooked up to a inverter to the lights... would use less energy then jsut plugging the lights in..

the entire concept just dont work tho because of heat loss... and the idea is you can't excape the amount of power you use. No matter what, your gunna suck down the same if not more power, correct?