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03-02-2008, 01:29 PM
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hey man my grow journal is under
http://forum.grasscity.com/grow-jour...ml#post2306280 so check it out and then we wait and see what happens     
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03-02-2008, 09:35 PM
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S'allright. So here's a quick update (busy day today). I also can't locate my USB cord for my digital camera so I'll have to post the pics later.
I was up until friggin 6am workin on everything, and I'm a little disappointed with the results. I attached the support for the screen, and it seems okay so far. However, when I was working on it I accidentally abused the hell out of my plants. I ended up bending both the ICE plants (the big ones) at a 90 degree angle for a split second and back up. (power drill + errant piece of wood) All of a sudden I smelled a very pungent plant smell coming from them and I thought I snapped them in half. However, I can't find any breaks or anything so I'm hoping they just got beat up real bad and not critically injured. 10 hours later, there are no signs of imminent death or anything so I'm hoping that it just serves to toughen 'em up even more. Totally duct taped the reservoir. The difference is like night and day. I never knew how bright it was in there until I got all the light blocked out. Why would a hydro company sell systems that allow so much light to get through?  When I went to clean my res I found that orange crap inside all of the hoses. I had to use pipe cleaners to get it all out. There wasn't anything just in my res itself, it was just the hoses. It's not gritty. It is slimy and chunky, and much like vomit in its consistency and color. (sad but true) So perhaps it is/was some type of barf-like algae caused by high temps and too much light in the res...? The worst part of the res cleaning: I had to pull the hoses out of the pots in order to clean them out, so after I put the system back together I had to slowly, carefully take the hydroton out of one side of each of the pots in order to get the hoses back in there. I still don't think I did a very good job (it's hard as hell to do with plants/cubes/roots in there) so I'm going to have to keep checking on the little ones to make sure the cubes aren't going dry. The older ones I don't worry about so much as they already have roots in the water. All in all, the res wasn't dirty or bad at all. Still looked pretty clear after a few weeks. The only orange I found was on/in the hoses... I also wrapped the water pump up with some charcoal screen door stuff to keep the roots out of it while I was at it. I tried working on a DIY carbon filter using ductwork for dryers and an activated carbon filter I have. It didn't work very well. It's hard trying to rig something up to my room because there isn't a solid hole to hook something up to. I just have that hole in my tent, so things don't hold up as well. I'm going to have to do some serious work in this department. I did close those vents in the bottom of the tent with duct tape. I'll probably undo that though, based on the recommendations in this thread. However, those vents also allow some light to escape so I'll have to attend to that as well. I tried the frozen water bottle in the res trick. Lasted a couple hours... I tried putting a bunch of ice water in the room with the grow. It lowered temps for a few hours, but it soon rose again. However, all the water has raised the humidity from about 30-35 to 40-45. Have distilled water in the res now. Addes some PH down again to get it down. Added too much so the PH went to about 4. I decided to wait it out instead of adding any of that Stealth Hydro PH Up I have because that stuff caused some nasty build up in my system the only time I tried to use it. There weren't any nutes in there anyway so I didn't see the problem with letting the PH rise on its own. 10 hours later, the PH is now at about 5, so I think I'm going to add my first batch of nutes today. I'm using the General Hydroponics 3 part. (By the way I'll definitely be switching the GH micro to the GH Hardwater Micro and save myself some money from now on. Thanks a lot for the tip on that, up4anything). I think I'm going to do half the recommended dosage for seedlings, as I'd rather undernute my bigger plants than overnute my younger plants. So now, all the temps remain where they were despite my best efforts. Ambient temp remains at about 87F. Water temp remains at about 80F. Humidity is up to 45%. I guess I need to rethink the cooling and odor control. Would something like this: http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct...roductID=52531 work alright or what should I be looking into? As I said, I'm not quite sure how I'll hook up something like that to my room as I just have the pocket/hole in the tent to work with. I also thought that fan I already have in there was pretty good. It's rated at over 100CFM and it's really pushing the air out of the side. I guess if I get a better exhaust like the one I linked to I can move the current one to the intake. I'm sure that will help a lot... So, as always, any help/suggestions/advice are appreciated. I guess what I'm really wondering right now is what to do about the temperatures and odor control. I just think I should be able to rig something to make that fan I already have work a bit better, as it really does shoot the air out of the box.
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03-02-2008, 09:51 PM
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Thanks for the reply August. I'll undo the vent holes later and find a way to keep the light from getting out.
I started reading that PowerPlant scrog grow of yours. Very nice. How far above the screen did those things get? I think I'm going to attach my screen only about 10 inches off the res, as I only have about 2 1/2 - 3 feet height to work with after figuring in the res and light.
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03-02-2008, 10:30 PM
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S'allright. Still haven't found my stupid USB cable.
Anyhow, I went ahead and added some nutes. I added 15ml of GH Micro, 15ml of GH Grow, and 15ml of GH Bloom (2.5/gallon). I also added 5ml of SuperThrive. However, after I added the nutes I took a PH reading and it read at 4 again. Is it normal for nutes to lower the PH, or is my crappy PH tester needing to get the steel-toe boot treatment? PPM was about 250-275 after adding everything but the SuperThrive. I guess I'm going to have to take a trip to the local grow shop and get some GH PH Up. I also went ahead and opened the vents again. I also took the charcoal filter I had on the exhaust out for better air flow. (It's not smelling yet anyway) So will the PH possibly rise on its own or can I expect issues if I can't get the PH up until tomorrow night at the earliest? On edit: Anyone think I should try topping the two ICE? I'm debating it myself.
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03-02-2008, 11:48 PM
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you'll find your usb cable as soon as you buy a new one...
 totally normal for nutes to change the ph you have the three part GH stuff right? Take a few minutes and look at the lucas formula it is one of the longest threads I have ever spent the time reading but the lucas formula is by far the easiest way to feed your plants I have yet to try good luck! This is just a thought and is something I would try IF I did not have any ph up and did not wanna dump a res and start again... see which part of the food you have raises PH (prolly the grow part, but I only use floranova bloom, so I am not sure about the three part) anyways, IF either the grow or the bloom mixed with water alone has a ph higher than 6 you have room as far as ppm goes to try to bring your ph up with that you can get to 450 ish under that light and be ok I think again, bear in mind I am just starting my first hydro grow, I dont have any idea what the ph of the grow nor the bloom part of the three part GH series and take this as just the rants of a fellow beginner. That being said... this would definatly work, and you can push them a bit nute wise right now to avoid damage due such poor ph
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Last edited by IMgreen : 03-03-2008 at 12:01 AM. Reason: added a total shot in the dark idea...
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03-02-2008, 11:53 PM
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03-03-2008, 08:01 AM
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My PH went up to 4.8 after about 5 hours. Then it went back to 4.20 (woo hoo) after another few hours. I tried checking each different part of the 3 part GH nutes, and nothing made tap water's PH rise. The bloom made it go down, actually. Either that or my PH meter needs to be trashed... So unless I feel up to dumping half the res and filling it back up with tap water to raise the PH (not happening right now) then I guess I'm going to have to wait til tomorrow night after I get some PH up. Hope I can still fix her up without having to dump the res, but it is what it is. up4anything, I already undid the vent holes again. Nothing's changing the temps right now though. I think the ambient temp in my place isn't helping. Having a bit of a heat wave for March right now. I'm about to just flip the AC on for the year to help the grow and wear long johns.
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03-03-2008, 09:41 AM
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Hmmm....thinking of getting something like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cool-Box-Persona...QQcmdZViewItem
Personal air conditioner I could put in the closet near the intake of the grow box...probably lower those temps purty well. Crap I need some sleep.
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03-03-2008, 11:44 PM
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Quick update.
Went to the hydro store and got some GH PH up and some rockwool cubes for the future (only had 3 left). When I got home today my place was warm (friggin heat wave today) and was in the eighties. I checked my box and it was over 90 at around 92 or so.  I said to hell with it and went ahead and turned my AC on, and it's already back down to 87ish. The two ICE are growing pretty well, and have some definite new growth since the accident the other day. It's good and dark green too. The one I'm LST'ing looks a little strange though as far as the new leaves and everything. I haven't found my USB cable yet, but I'm going to ransack the place in a bit and find the damn thing. I need to post some new pics. The two Aurora B seedlings are maintaining but not really thriving as of yet. I think maybe they're not getting enough water from the hoses, and the light is farther away than it was for the ICE (so I don't burn the ICE now). Anyhow, added 1/2 ml of PH Up (man that stuff is crazy potent) and now my PH is idling at a cool 5.45. Should I still worry about lock out or anything or should the situation rectify itself at this point I wonder... As to the temperature/ventilation issues, I think there's more to it than better fans. My box only has 32 cubic feet (4 x 2 x 4) and I have a 100cfm exhaust and 40 cfm intake, with passive intakes as well. I think I'm going to work on ducting the fans to increase their efficiency, lower the ambient temperature in my whole place, and maybe get one of those personal air conditioners I linked to earlier. I mean, that exhaust fan has a speed control and when I'm here (75 percent of the time) I have that sucker on high, and it is moving some serious air out of the box... I'll just experiment a bit more and see if I can't get those temps down with resorting to buying a new fan. I do need to work on a DIY carbon filter though. One problem is the amount of space I have outside the exhaust. There's maybe a foot before hitting a wall... Something to work on in the near future... Carry on.
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03-04-2008, 07:58 AM
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Found my USB cable!!!1
So, these pics are from 48 hours ago when I dumped the res and did some work. Here's how they looked then: 100_4581.jpg Here's the two newbie Aurora Bs are looking: 100_4583.jpg 100_4582.jpg Here's the two older ICE: 100_4584.jpg 100_4585.jpg Here is what will become my ScrOG screen: 100_4588.jpg Here's the view from over the system: 100_4589.jpg Here's the orange crap I found in my hoses: 100_4592.jpg And here's the after, with the duct tape and support for the screen attached: 100_4594.jpg I'll take some new pics of the plants tomorrow as there's some new, strange looking darker green growth since I added the nutes...
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"Like the Arthurian years at Camelot, the sixties constituted a breakthrough, a fleeting moment of glory, a time when a significant little chunk of humanity briefly realized its moral potential and flirted with its neurological destiny, a collective spiritual awakening that flared brilliantly until the barbaric and mediocre impulses of the species drew tight once more the curtains of darkness."
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03-15-2008, 02:13 AM
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hey darth put up some pics with the time man im curious to see where your at man. i'd like to see because right now a have a little bit of different stuff where they are spitting out about 1 to 2 leaf sets a day on top.
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03-15-2008, 06:27 PM
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Waddup zab. I was actually going to update today anyway lol.
Little monsters are growing like crazy. I still haven't really fed them much nutes, but I'm going to give them their second feeding tonight after I make sure the PH is where I want it. LST seems to be working out fine, but it's almost time for me to raise the light and almost time to set up the screen I think. Here we are now: 100_4616.jpg Here's my 2nd oldest ICE. I figure it at about a little over 4 weeks right now. LST'in. 100_4617.jpg One of the little'uns. It's an Aurora B. I think it's only a couple of weeks. I'll have to check my dates on it. 100_4618.jpg Here's the grandma of the bunch. It's the other ICE and it's a little over 5 weeks by my admittedly unsure estimates. 100_4619.jpg The other Aurora B, (same age as the other). 100_4620.jpg Closer look at the LST work on the grandma: 100_4621.jpg Going to give them some nutes later. I'll figure out how much then. I got some GH Hardwater Micro to use now so I'll be saving some serious money. (Thanks again for the tip, up4anything). So how they looking, people? 
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